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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:46 PM
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Chris Matthews has question: With success of 50 state strategy, how come no job in admin for Dean?
I remember that I had a post with the same question and people here attacked Howard Dean ceaselessly... I cannot understand animosity against him...
I wish he had been selected as a member of the cabinet. He is smart, a hard worker, a Democrat... sigh...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:47 PM
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1. I think you listed the reasons why he's got no job. He's too damned good and
not dirty enough, apparently.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:50 PM
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2. It doesn't seem that he wants one.
Perhaps brother wants to get paid?

:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:30 PM
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14. yes, he wanted one.
pretty widely known that he very much wanted HHS.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:50 AM
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27. Maybe that's the ONLY one he wanted...?
Not everyone is like, say, Bill Richardson (no jokes, please) who, when shot down for State, happily accepted the post at Commerce.

Maybe Dean wanted HHS, but could care less about Surgeon General, Labor, or any of the other positions for which people here were recommending him.

Maybe, just maybe, he prefers to go back to Vermont and re-build his political career there. After all, Pat Leahy isn't going to be around forever.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:50 PM
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3. If he was chosen DU would have found something to complain about.
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 05:50 PM by anonymous171
It's our nature.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:52 PM
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7. LOFL!
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:50 PM
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4. Because he doesn't want one?
:banghead:
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:50 PM
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5. He was right, which is a career limiting move in D.C.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:53 PM
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8. That's right, nobody likes the guy who finds the dead skunk!
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:45 AM
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26. That's right • Nobody likes to be embarrassed by another's success ...
with what you've said was wasteful, undesirable and impossible.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 05:51 PM
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6. I had the same question. I really wish Dr. Dean was somewhere in the mix.
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:07 PM
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9. I prefer him as Surgeon General to Sanjay for shizzle! nt
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 06:07 PM by heliarc
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:13 PM
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11. I would have liked Dean to be Surgeon General too, but isn't that a marketing role?
Howard Dean might not want to do anymore marketing for the government. He doesn't seem unhappy about not getting any cabinet position though, although that's only what I see on the outside.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:22 PM
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13. I like Dean. But the Surgeon General is a Public Speaking Role
and thats not a strength of Howard's.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:30 AM
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24. He's the best public speaker I've ever heard.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:31 PM
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15. He had no interest in SG.
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Boomerang Diddle Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:09 PM
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10. Maybe he was offered a position
and turned it down? Who knows?

Besides, If I were him, I think I'd be ready to take a break for a while.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 06:13 PM
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12. Since when did Tweety give a fuck about Democrats or what's fair and right
for them? He was often a shill for Bush, the Repukes and their illegal, criminal war!! :puke::puke:
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:57 PM
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18. One, he's praised Dean before.Two, he actually opposed the war from the start at least in his column
Remember after McClellan came out with his book Tweety agreed with his premise and said that at the time you were strongly forbidden from saying anything bad about the war on TV
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:00 PM
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19. No he did not oppose this war!! Where have you been? He voted for Bush in 2004
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 10:01 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
over John Kerry. He kissed Trent Lott's ass after he made those glowingly racist comments about Strom Thurmond. You obviously do not know Tweety or his history very well. After 911 he declared that "we are all Neocons now"!! Surely you remember that.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:22 AM
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22. Proof:
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/pressure_from_corporate_execut.php
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/02/17/IN167643.DTL
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/09/01/IN133269.DTL
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/21/matthews-against-war/

"So I'll say it: I hate this war that's coming in Iraq. I don't think we'll be proud of it. Oppose this war because it will create a millennium of hatred and the suicidal terrorism that comes with it. You talk about Bush trying to avenge his father. What about the tens of millions of Arab sons who will want to finish a fight we start next spring in Baghdad?

Well, that's it for now. You know where I stand."

By the way, he voted for Bush in 2000, I'm certain, but he said he voted for Kerry in 2004.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 08:31 PM
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16. it was good to see Dean get credited for his work. thanks, Tweety. nt
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 09:55 PM
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17. K & R - There should be more posts about Dean
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:08 PM
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20. Because Howard Deanis the outlier who empowered the little guy (like us)
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 10:32 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
and they HATE that. He practically invented the "Netroots" and now they can't get rid of us. Howard Dean is the most quietly powerful political presence in this country even right now. They can't afford to give him a presence or a podium.

For what it's worth and for what value it has played - Howard Dean killed cynicism even if very briefly.

I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 10:14 PM
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21. Why can't people accept that not everyone in the world wants to be in the administration?
Or is the goal to spin Dean into an utterly pathetic figure?

He is off to American Samoa tomorrow. He had no interest in the Surgeon General position, and appears to be doing what he wants to do: his own thing.





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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:33 AM
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25. He deserves a break
Maybe he even wants one. If he does, it should not preclude him from joining the administration later, or running for some other office.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:24 AM
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23. Only a very limited number of slots
For those who aren't DLC, center-right corporatists in this administration.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 10:52 AM
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28. Dean doesn't want a cabinet position... he wants to go on speech circuit
As he mentioned on Tweety's show last night, he wants to go on a speaking tour or two advocating healthcare reform and other matters.

Should we force him into the Obama administration or let him do what he wants? I'd imagine he's tired of the Beltway and needs a break.

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