LET GAZA LIVE

[defendandprotect]

LET GAZA LIVE

National March on Washington
Saturday, January 10
Assemble at the White House (north side) at 1:00 PM


A doctor in Gaza's main hospital reported that children make up 30 percent of the casualties, among the dead and wounded, in the second day of the ground invasion. The time to act is now! Local marches have taken place all over the country. Now is the time to bring the outrage of the people right to the steps of the White House.

We are sending a message to both Bush and the incoming Obama administration: This war of aggression must end immediately! People all over the world will be marching in their country's capital cities on Saturday, January 10. The people of this country will come together in Washington, D.C., to say NO to the government that speaks in their name and uses their tax dollars to fund Israel to the tune of over $15 million per day.

Please see below for important updates on the Saturday, January 10 LET GAZA LIVE National March on Washington.


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Organize Transportation to DC

Buses are being organized to bring people to Washington, D.C., from across the East Coast, Midwest and South. Now is the time to stand together in DC in solidarity with the people of Gaza!

If you are organizing transportation, fill click here to fill out the Transportation Form. This will allow others to find out about transportation options, and it will ensure that you receive important logistical information regarding the plans for Saturday.

Plan for Saturday, January 10

The Saturday, January 10 LET GAZA LIVE National March in Washington, D.C., will gather at the White House (north side, Lafayette Park) at 1:00 PM. The protest will be located between the Bush White House and the Hay Adams Hotel, where President-Elect Obama is now residing, which is located on the north side of Lafayette Park.

There will be coinciding West Coast demonstrations in San Francisco (11 am at Civic Center) , Los Angeles (12 noon at Westwood Federal Building), San Diego (details TBA) and elsewhere.

Help Spread the Word

Click here to view a flyer for the demonstration. It is a 8.5x11 inch PDF that you can view, print and reproduce. If you are in the Washington, D.C., area, you can pick up flyers from the ANSWER Coalition office at 1247 E St. SE.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. More "But What About the Children!?" shilling....

Where is the anger at Hamas for hiding their weapons in residential areas in order to use dead children and civilians as Public Relations props? No anger over that? No march?

[Lilith Velkor]

3. I've seen this lame ass argument on every thread I've checked so far

It must have worked better on the focus group than the old "antisemiteantisemiteantisemite" chestnut so widely used back in '06.

It's still pathetic, though.

[Joe the Revelator]

4. Which part of the argument is lame?

Care to refute any of it, or should I just take your word for it?

[Lilith Velkor]

9. I think you should play dumb and indignant

It's not only SOP, it's kinda cute.

[Joe the Revelator]

12. If you don't want to make your point clear....

then why make it in the first place? You and some friends playing with cryptographs?

[Lilith Velkor]

17. awww

I knew you could do it!

I'm so proud of you. :loveya:

[Dragonfli]

19. It is rather "adorable" isn't it?

...with a soul only a mother could love.

Cute as a bug and all that.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Ah, I see you were writing in code. Glad we cleared that up and you fellow saw your beacon.

Now you can live in an alternate reality together.

[Dragonfli]

23. You are funny - I was just teasing you but since yiou KNOW Alpha Zebra Tango!! (it's on to the plan)

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Annie wants you to drink more Oveltine?

I hate this decoder ring.

[Dragonfli]

33. NO! My ring says to drink more OVALTINE (your ring is broken) - so there

Substituting the proper letters with nansinse.

[Lilith Velkor]

30. I shall call him Squishy and he shall be mine.

[Dragonfli]

39. .

:hug: :loveya: :hug:

[defendandprotect]

7. And we know you have to be anti-American to criticize our warmongering . . .

and "anti-semitic" to criticize Israel's warmongering ---

THIS is "pathetic" . . .

children make up 30 percent of the casualties

Starving Gaza, no electricity, no medicine -- will finally equal genocide.

Let's stop this while it's simply a "massacre."

[Joe the Revelator]

13. Thanks for proving my point

You've given Hamas just what they wanted when the "hid" their weapons in neighborhood, a public relations coup.

[defendandprotect]

16. Hamas has rockets that don't work - sticks and stones ---

Israel is a nuclear power --

Nixon armed right-wing religously-Fundie Israelis who killed Rabin and

all hopes of peace ---

This is a "massacre" and they're well on their way to commiting genocide in Gaza.

America and Israel are the threat to the world --

[Joe the Revelator]

24. You're wearing blinders

The fact of the matter is, that Israelis have been living in fear of their lives for, to make it simple, a long, long time. Just because Hamas isn't effective at firing rockets, does not make those rockets less of a threat. I'm fairly certain that if you lived in an area that got shelled every day, you would want something done about it at some point, because if nothing else, Hamas is a tenacious bunch, who will keep on firing their rockets come hell, highwater, or an invasion of Gaza. The only option is to go FIND those rockets and destroy them in order to give your people a few months of peace while Hamas restocks.

[defendandprotect]

27. Israel is a nuclear power --- UN has called it "Massacre" . . .

they are nearing "genocide" and I'm wearing blinders . . . ?????

If that's so then much of the world is now wearing blinders, I guess ---

cause their is much disgust with what Israel is doing!!!

The rockets killed 4 people last time around --- 16 over all this time.

How many innocent civilians in GAZA are now dead?

How many children?

[Joe the Revelator]

32. Again, what about the children

Put your blame where is belongs, on Hamas. They are the ones using their own people as cannon fodder.

[provis99]

37. well thank god Palestinians never live in fear of their lives

that is, those who are still alive.

[Joe the Revelator]

42. Tell me the last time Israel lobbed rockets into Palestine unprovoked.

It was Hamas who decided to not renew the last truce in Gaza.

[tkmorris]

58. Ummm, what?

"Just because Hamas isn't effective at firing rockets, does not make those rockets less of a threat."

Logic. Your post has none.

[Lilith Velkor]

20. Oh but you're supposed to pretend there's an equivalency between Israel and Hamas

and totally ignore the fact that the former gets our tax money and the latter does not.

No fair ruining the "let's pretend" game for the children! :spank:

[Joe the Revelator]

26. So, since Palestine doesn't get tax money from the US, its ok to ignore their indiscretions?

Really?

[defendandprotect]

28. Let's not ignore that Israel is a nuclear power -- supplied and funded by US --

$15 million each day????

The rockets killed 4 people this time around --- 16 in all this time!!

How many civilians are dead in Gaza, how many children?

UN is calling this a "massacre" --- and Israel has never been reluctant

to wage what UN calls "a full scale war" on Palestinians ---

They are also starving them, no electricity, no medical supplies ---

this will result in genocide!

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Joe the Revelator]

31. You've overstepped

I consider everyone, including Palestinians "real people" and you're out of line implying otherwise.

With that said, I am not so blind as to not know that if I were to live in an area constantly shelled by a neighboring governement that I would expect MY government to go after the problem.

I weep for the innocent civilians that die in Palestine, but it is not the fault of the United States or Israel. The blame and the blood is all over Hamas' hands.

[Lilith Velkor]

35. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Hey, while you're at it, can we get some of those crocodile tears for the Iraqi children, whose blood is all over Saddam Hussein's cold, dead hands? :rofl:

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Ah, and now the strawmen come out to play

Keep going, these are fun.

[Lilith Velkor]

40. Speaking of which

What's taking so long for your little friends to show up?

Budget stretched a little thin?

[Joe the Revelator]

41. And which little friends would these be?

[Lilith Velkor]

44. P. Sherman, 42 Wallaby Way, Sydney

[Joe the Revelator]

45. Oh you mean people who I assume do not agree with you?

Yep, we're all just a bunch of wacky cats.

[Dragonfli]

50. I always knew there was something "fishy" about that one! NT

[tkmorris]

59. LOL awesome

I needed the laugh. Thanks.

[ellisonz]

49. You know what's really hilarious...

Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May-21-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #44
77. Your last sentence is right on the money

I don't want yet another Nice Guy candidate, I want a ruthless and vindictive BITCH. <-- Yeah, I said it.

Nothing would strike fear in the enemy's heart quite like a woman in power, a woman they have wronged. But that's not to be. Such is life.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6058643#6061449

And we're supposed to listen to her about "crocodile tears for the Iraqi children"!!! The same Hillary Clinton who voted for the Iraq War Resolution!

Give me a fuckin' break. :banghead:

[Joe the Revelator]

51. This explains a lot.

[Lilith Velkor]

55. When you're reduced to rehashing the primaries, you know you got nothing

But as long as we're going there, it was down to two warmongers, so I went with the one who didn't kiss Republican ass as much.

Naturally, you would have a problem with that.

[ellisonz]

60. Not really.

I just thought your incivility toward Wolsh justified revealing your hypocritical agenda. So you supported a war-mongerer over a moderate?

[defendandprotect]

38. The US government is "innocent" . . .

Now that is wearing blinders . . .

Israel has long been our foothold in the ME -- we now own Iraq and Israel.

Couldn't have been done except with using their right-wing warmongers --

Just like our creating the Taliban/Al Qaeda thru Pakistan ISI and then US

going into Afghanistan 6 months before the Russians ... "in order to bait the

Russians into Afghanistan in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type experience."

Yet -- not unusual for the elite to use religious fanatics, over and over again!!!

[Dragonfli]

43. I only step where the truth leads me - If I could choose instead - I would choose nirvana

You have chosen a black and white world where the devil has been defined for you, it is this one-sided belief system that shows me the thing about you that you refuse to see.

I am truly sorry.
Someday you may have to face the entirety of the situation.
If you are not a psychopath (I doubt you are - very rare)
That day will hurt.
It will hurt more than you can as yet imagine.

[Joe the Revelator]

46. I forgot, you appear to be a beacon of unbiased open mindedness.

[Hippo_Tron]

47. I wouldn't say that it's all on Hamas' hands

You are right that pretty much every other country would respond with military force in Israel's situation. But Gaza might not be a breeding ground for Hamas if Likud governments had not allowed Israelis to settle there and displace Palestinians in the process. That's inevitably going to create a backlash and Hamas is to a large extent that backlash. Israel does have to shoulder some of the blame for this situation. So do Egypt, Jordan, Syria and other neighbors that are either currently or were once hostile to Israel.

[Lilith Velkor]

48. What did Egypt, Jordan, Syria etc. do that forced Israel to drop bombs on children?

This oughta be good. :popcorn:

[ellisonz]

52. Syria provides safe haven for the Hamas leadership.

And they funnel Iranian weapons and train fighters for Hezbollah and Hamas...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/25/jordan.hamas/index.html

[Joe the Revelator]

53. Here we go again

[Hippo_Tron]

54. They declared war on Israel more or less the moment that it became a state

And continuing hostilities between Egypt and Israel are the reason that Israel occupied Gaza in the first place. None of this events (including the current conflict in Gaza) happened in isolation. One has led to another.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. Sixty years ago

Egypt doesn't give a fuck, they're getting paid off almost as much as Israel.

You still haven't explained how any of those countries forced Israel to bomb Gaza. I certainly won't hold my breath waiting.

[Hippo_Tron]

57. See, you view this conflict in Gaza in isolation of history

Which allows you to see what you want to see: a superior power murdering a weaker power's children. If Egypt had not invaded Israel 60 years ago, Gaza would still be a part of Egypt and this conflict would not be happening right now. But more importantly, 60 years of being attacked has made Israel fearful. History has shown that when people are afraid they turn to leaders who demonstrate "strength" which usually comes in the form of attacking somebody else. America got attacked once on 9/11 and our fear lead us to do exactly what Isreal is doing now. We gave Bush an 80% approval rating and allowed him to kill far more civilians in Iraq than Israel is currently killing in Gaza. The same is true for Palestine as well. Hamas was also elected because Palestinians fear Israel and rightfully so.

Sure, you and I were part of the minority that didn't support Bush. Israel has such a minority as well. But the vast majority did support Bush at the time. Now, do you consider the vast majority of your fellow Americans to be people who rejoice in the bloodshed of Iraqi children. Save those at Free Republic I don't think that is the case. I think the vast majority overreacted out of fear and I think that's exactly what the vast majority of Israelis are doing now. It's not morally right, but it's also not exactly contradictory to human nature.

If you merely want Israel to stop bombing Gaza this one time then yes you can make all of the pleas to the US Government to pressure them to stop. But what they do this one time isn't the issue as far as I'm concerned. The real issue is that it will happen again and again and again and again until there is a sustainable peace agreement of some sort. And that requires empathy on both sides, recognition that there is plenty of blame to go around, and most importantly: leaders that don't see things in black and white.

[defendandprotect]

5. Where . . . ?

It's not selling this time around . . .

what people see is right-wing Fundie hawks --

starving Gaza -- no electricity, no medicine -- a "massacre" --

Yeah . . I'm sure the cries for the children are as fake as those

overturned "Kuwaiti basinettes" . ..!!!

Give it a break --

And, yes, we do need liberal-peace-loving Israelis to rise again --

having been buried by these right-wing fanatics . . .

especially in killing Rabin and plans for peace --

"Murder In The Name Of God" . . . !!!

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Was that supposed to be a poem or something?

[defendandprotect]

10. It's supposed to be . . .

what you avoided understanding it to be . . .

:evilgrin:

[cboy4]

11. I agree

No thanks.

[comtec]

62. The children are suffering for the adult's decisions

good or ill, that is what it comes down to.
Children are neutral until they hit the age where they choose sides, then they are "adults".
The "adults" are the ones, on both sides, that are causing this problem.

Hamas' problem, in general, is their inability to live in peace with Israel.

Israel's problem is they've been squashing the Palestinians since day one, and have not been willing to compromise when it would have saved everyone time and blood - money is nearly irrelevant.

Except of course that this is a war over resources, namely water.

fresh drinking water, and the Palestinians use a lot of it, far more than the Israeli's - based on population alone.

In the end, if they were serious, I mean REALLY serious, Israel has some very evil weapons, non nuclear, non bio, that would do the job a lot faster.

Horrible as this is NOW... it could be worse, and if nothing is done, it will.

Israel has yet to tap it's serious weapons... like the Fuel Air Bomb - all the fun of a nuke, and no radiation.

[MadBadger]

2. Sigh...I like my neutral position.

[EFerrari]

61. You can't be neutral on a moving train -- Howard Zinn.

:)

[Dragonfli]

8. Thank You For Posting This

I know that they are not people to a great many and should be kept "concentrated in camp like areas with check points" while slowly being starved before bombing the shit out of them in order to save all the real people from the evil Hamas children and yet.....

I am confused by reality and empathy.

[ananda]

14. A mattter of proportion.

Is anyone saying that Hamas is perfect? I'm certainly not.

What I see is a matter of degree and proportion in the two
evils of violent offenders. The Israeli state sponsored
terrorism and violence is exponentially worse than anything
Hamas has done.

[Dragonfli]

15. Did You Reply to The Correct Post?

I was confused by the defense of a massacre by the M$M and many posters here (it is my empathy for dead children that causes my "confusuion" and inability to absorb the US sanctioned POV).

I am more confused by your reply.....

[npk]

18. Deleted.

[Dragonfli]

21. Adult Learning Centers offer Remedial math courses you know. - Just sayin NT

[invictus]

34. K&R

[ShadesOfGrey]

63. I so badly wish I could be there Saturday.

Hopefully, I'll be able to attend similar protests closer to home.

In the meantime, I'll help spread the word.

K&R

[IndianaGreen]

64. Gaza is a concentration camp, says the Vatican

Gaza Strip is a concentration camp, says Vatican

From correspondents in Rome | January 08, 2009
Article from: Agence France-Presse

THE Gaza Strip has been turned into a "concentration camp" by two weeks of Israeli bombardments, said a senior Vatican official.

Cardinal Renato Martino, the Vatican's justice and peace minister, was quoted by the online Italian daily Il Sussidiario.

"Let's look at the conditions in Gaza: these increasingly resemble a big concentration camp," said Cardinal Martino.

Cardinal Martino said it was in neither parties interest to carry on fighting and urged both to show more willingness to hold peace talks.

"If they can't come to an agreement, then someone else should do it (for them). The world cannot sit back and watch without doing anything.

"We Christians are not the only ones to call this land 'holy', Jews and Muslims do so too. The fact that this land is the scene of bloodshed seems a great tragedy," he added.

Israel's offensive on Gaza has killed almost 700 Palestinians, including 220 children, and injured 3000 since December 27, according to Gaza medics.

Aid agencies have declared a total humanitarian crisis in Gaza, owing to the ailing stocks of basic food, water and medical supplies.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24886733-12377,00.html

Same story, different news organizations, Reuters and BBC:

Vatican cardinal calls Gaza "big concentration camp"

Wed Jan 7, 2009 8:38pm GMT

ROME (Reuters) - Pope Benedict's point man for justice and peace issues on Wednesday issued the Vatican's toughest criticism of Israel since the latest Mideast crisis began, calling Gaza a "big concentration camp."

Cardinal Renato Martino, president of the Vatican's Council for Justice and Peace, made his comments in an interview in the Italian online newspaper Il Sussidiario.net.

"Defenceless populations are always the ones who pay. Look at the conditions in Gaza: more and more, it resembles a big concentration camp," Martino, whose informal title is Vatican "justice minister," was quoted as saying.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKTRE5066OA20090107

Vatican deplores Gaza situation

The Pope's justice minister, Cardinal Renato Martino, has sharply criticised Israel's actions and likened the Gaza Strip to a "big concentration camp".

Correspondents say his words mark the Vatican's toughest comments since Israel began its offensive with intensive air attacks 12 days ago.

He accused both sides of only thinking of their own interests while innocent people paid the price.

Pope Benedict XVI has already called for an end to the conflict.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7817019.stm