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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:47 PM
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So, not only is Rick Warren a homophobe, he's also a fraud when it comes to charity...
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 09:49 PM by Solon
Thanks to lwfern for the excellent post found in the GLBT forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x108141

With permission, I'm x-posting it here, with some other research I found pertinent to this discussion.

Here's the original post:

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Rick Warren's "Acts of Mercy Foundation"

From someone who did some research on that last spring: http://nogoofyzone.wordpress.com/2008/03/24/rick-and-kay-warren-and-their-acts-of-mercy-foundation

I went on their and found Acts of Mercy 990 forms from 2004 and 2005. Under the Organizations Primary Exempt purpose it states.
” Acts of Mercy foundation will conduct activities in furtherance of the purposes of the Global PEACE Fund to advance the Christian faith. Specifically, the Foundation will work under GPF to fund among other things,Christian ministry and outreach activities to the poor, the distressed or the underprivileged, micro enterprise, church planting, caring for the sick, Christian education and evangelism and promote awareness of HIV/AIDS.


Looks like advancing the christian faith is a higher priority than caring for the sick, but hey, maybe they just wrote up their statement of purpose wrong.


You can look through their tax forms from 2006 here: http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/200/200393297/200393297_200612_990.pdf

I am not a tax expert, so correct me if I am reading this wrong, but it looks like this to me:

revenue for 2006: $2,161,442 - about 900k in donations, the rest in interest and dividends for the year.

expenses:
Employee salaries: $231,631 (plus another $37k in benefits)
Travel $300k

That's more than half the donations for the year right there.

And here's their "achievements" according to their tax forms:

1. Partnered with OAFLA Uganda (Organization of African First Ladies Against HIV/AIDS) in an Abstinence Training Program for Young People in Schools

2 Gave funding and personnel assistance to Saddleback Church in the development of their HIV/AIDS program

3 Took the lead role in organizing, coordinating and running the Saddleback Church HIV/AIDS Conference

4 Paid for the printing of the Purpose Driven Life in the native language of Rwanda and presented a large quantity to the church leaders there for distribution

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This is additional information I found from this source: http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008/12/19/untold-consequences-rick-warrens-aids-activism

How that flawed policy plays out can be disastrous. As journalist Michelle Goldberg noted at Religion Dispatches, one of Warren's protégés in Uganda, the rabidly anti-gay pastor Martin Ssempa, has interpreted Warren's faith-driven solutions to the HIV/AIDS epidemic by burning condoms at universities and offering faith-healing to disease-stricken congregants. Other PEPFAR grantees, as Jacobson's colleagues in the global AIDS movement have witnessed, use their funds to promote fundamentalist interpretations of marital roles, advising women that if their husbands beat them, they should try harder to please them.


In addition, apparently there's very little evidence that Rick Warren's poverty program actually fights poverty. The evidence, as Max Blumenthal illustrates in an interview with Amy Goodman, seems to be lacking.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/23/max_blumenthal_on_rick_warrens_double

Beyond that, you know, Rick Warren says he’s for the environment. Rick Warren says that he’s for fighting poverty, which is great. But what has he actually done? You know, I’ve spent hours scouring the internet, calling around, trying to find some results that Rick Warren has produced in Africa against AIDS, results he’s produced against poverty. And all I can find is that his peace programs, which he calls them, are sort of recruitment vehicles for the churches that he’s planning in Africa and that he is using these programs actually to evangelize, and there’s no real way of measuring his results. And there are Christian groups that are doing good work, you know, in the third world, that are fighting poverty, and they measure results, groups like Medical Teams International. Even World Vision measures results. But we have no way of knowing what Rick Warren is doing. It looks to me like he’s going around to the Aspen Institute and to these big elite festivals and telling people who expect evangelicals to be retrograde and who expect evangelicals to be draconian, that he’s doing something different. And he speaks the language that people want to hear in the media-manufactured age of post-partisanship. But it’s unclear what he’s actually doing, beyond fighting the culture war with a velvet glove.


It seems to me that, even in the interest of finding common ground with Rick Warren, that there is little common ground to find in the first place. Indeed, if all this information is accurate, he's doing more damage with his so called "charity" than anyone imagined.
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:49 PM
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1. K&R Thank you, Solon.
:hug: :hi:
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:51 PM
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2. I read here that he was an otherwise great guy, aside from the hate the gays stuff. nt.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:53 PM
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3. We have to trust the decision that was made. nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 11:41 PM
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19. Just like we trusted the Decider
when he told us Saddam had WMD.

Who are we to question those that lead us, whatever letter follows their names?
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 09:54 AM
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26. Did you forget the sarcasm tag? I don't believe I read that...
In my view, being a progressive means that you don't check your brain at the door. It's incumbent on all of us to do "due diligence" on anyone who comes to us with a proposal, and I don't care if that person is Rick Warren, Barak Obama or Jesus H. Christ.

I voted for Obama, but that doesn't mean I'm going to accept anything he does on trust alone. Highly intelligent people (as Obama appears to be) can be scammed just like anyone else.

I continue to think that Obama made a poor choice in picking Warren to give the Invocation.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:45 PM
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32. Trust me
the sarcasm should be implied in big capital letters on that post :)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:54 PM
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4. making the image clearer on what some of us have trying to say
about this guy.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 09:56 PM
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5. Obviously Obama failed to properly vet Warren's financial deals
Unfortunately, Obama has yet to admit error, and continues to support a man in danger of casting additional doubts on Obama's judgment of character.

I'm just a Christophobe, according to Warren; and a threat to the forest, according to the Pope!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:00 PM
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6. Also akin to a child molester.
No, nothing divisive about this pick.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:05 PM
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9. Actually, the Catholic Church itself is nearly as bad, lying about the effectiveness of condoms...
and other safe sex practices, all to push an ideology. They value that ideology over the lives and health of millions. They are killing people with lies, the Catholic Church and people like Warren.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:10 PM
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10. However, when a group of nuns were raped in the Congo many years ago
they were given shots to prevent pregnancy. The typical double standard, Vatican style!
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:13 PM
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12. One set of people I don't usually blame are the people on the ground...
I have no doubt that plenty of Catholic Priests and Nuns don't follow the Vatican's edict on teaching about safe sex or distributing condoms. What the Vatican doesn't know, won't hurt it, after all. But its ultimately the Church's fault for putting good people in this type of position in the first place, to decide for the good of humanity over their faith, their faith should be the good of humanity.
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JohnnieGordon Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:03 PM
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7. K&R!
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:04 PM
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8. thanks for this
:thumbsup:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:13 PM
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11. I would be surprised if it were otherwise.
He's a con man.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:17 PM
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14. Perhaps Obama will invite disgraced financier Bernard Madoff to Inaugural
Bernie and Rick can compare notes on their financial deals.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:22 PM
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17. Probably not.
But I hope they are both comparing notes in prison some day. :hi: Rick has been showing flopsweat. It's only a matter of time...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:17 PM
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13. also, he once cockpunched his own father.
.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:19 PM
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15. are we trying to find common ground with him to continue to cockpunch his own father?
:shrug:
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:21 PM
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16. There can be no common cockpunching ground.
ever.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 10:53 PM
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18. I say we must set up a committee to see if there is common ground on this cause first.
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 10:53 PM by Solon
It would be the politically expedient thing to do, after all.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 11:54 PM
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20. Why do you hate Italians
Edited on Wed Dec-24-08 11:55 PM by Nevernose
Everyone knows that the greatest cockpuncher in history is Steven Seagal, an Italian-American (even if he does have a Jewish name). Why do you hate Italians?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 08:50 AM
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42. I have my reasons
.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-24-08 11:58 PM
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21. His HIV/AIDS program fails in prevention of HIV infections
They fail to educate in safe sex, provide clean syringes, burn condomes and "the anti-prostitution loyalty oath, which required all groups receiving PEPFAR funding, including those that work with sex workers, to condemn prostitution."

His program may offer pharmaceutical treatment, which does not constitute the standard of care for infectious diseases which must also emphasize proven prevention measures.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:46 AM
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22. Martin Ssempa, the rabidly anti-gay pastor's site...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:51 AM
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23. Look under his "Abstinence" category...
Gotta love this part:

Martin stresses that abstinence is the most effective means of protecting one's self from the world's HIV/AIDS epidemic. He also energetically emphasizes the value of fidelity and the institution of marriage.


http://www.martinssempa.com/abstinence.html

All I can say is...Damn.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 01:25 AM
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24. I knew it. n/t
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JohnnieGordon Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 08:32 AM
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25. Morning Kick
Edited on Thu Dec-25-08 08:32 AM by JohnnieGordon
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:30 AM
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27. 37K in benefits. That could be one person with health care.
Could be two or three with health care, if a really bad health care company.

Though, could be that no one gets health care and it's FICA, insurances, vacation, sick time, ...
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:15 AM
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29. Yup, and I'm not begrudging the one or two employees with the health care.
I suspect it's Rick and his wife's health insurance we're seeing there. Their combined salaries in the past years from that charity has been over 100k, so I have reason to think it's theirs.

Regardless, when people donating to Acts of Mercy heard one of their missions is "caring for the sick" - they probably thought that somehow extended beyond paying for the health insurance of the administrators of the charity.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:09 AM
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28. Yet another reason these con artists need their tax-exempt status yanked
I'm tired of paying for this shit with my tax dollars.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:35 AM
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30. His actions are in line with his Statement of Purpose
I count six activities in the Statement of Purpose:

Christian ministry and outreach activities
Micro enterprise
Church planting
Caring for the sick
Christian education and evangelism
Promot(ing) awareness of HIV/AIDS

Everything I see here is in line with what you'd expect of a fundamentalist nutbag like Warren. The only way you can get AIDS is to disobey the Word of God, the only way you can be poor is to disobey the Word of God, the only way you can be sick is to disobey the Word of God, and the only way you can be unhappy is to disobey the Word of God. They should tell that to all the poor, sick, unhappy fundamentalists out there, but that's the kind of shit Warren and his ilk believe.

In the list Solon gave, I see one item that's definitely Christian ministry (paying to translate Rick Warren's book into a language of Uganda--probably Luganda, the most popular Ugandan tongue), two that are definitely AIDS promotion, and the abstinence training program, which falls into a gray area between ministry and AIDS awareness.

The problem here isn't that he veers from his Statement of Purpose into fundamentalist Christianity, it's that his stated purpose is fundamentalist Christianity.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 12:57 PM
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31. Well let's just take Warren out back & beat the crap out of him! LOL!....
Seriously...your post reads like there's something wrong with pushing the Christian faith while doing "acts of good will" in poor areas. This is the way it is always done, n'est pa? Whether it's the French ministry, the Monks, the Catholic priests, Mother Theresa, or anyone of a religious faith aiding the poor or the sick, it is the crux of their aid that they "minister" to the souls of the poor and sick, also, which means that they push their religion.

That's a good thing. As long as they aid the poor and the sick. Who among us can say that Mother Theresa was bad because she prayed to and for the sick and dying in her care, and required that they at least try to do the same?

It's sort of like when the right wingnuts were criticizing Sean Penn for doing a PR spot by going to New Orleans to save people in the toxic water. The main point was NOT that Penn was capitalizing on his fame by getting a spotlight to shine on HIM, and thus on the situation. The main point was that the right wingnuts who were doing the criticizing were NOT helping with the problem at ALL! And so it is with those who are criticizing Warren's church's charitable works. Criticism by those who do nothing at all.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:50 PM
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33. Warren says that spousal abuse is not grounds for divorce
This man that Obama elevated to Invocator in Chief, is a piece of work!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:42 PM
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37. Well, I'm reading lots of things that Warren supposedly said and thinks, some of which...
may not (and probably are not) true.

I doubt that Warren made a blanket statement that "spousal abuse is not grounds for divorce." That just reeks of a "summarizing" of another statement that he may have made that was about something more specific. It just doesn't sound plausible.

But even if that's what he believes, it still doesn't mean that the good works that he does for the sick and poor are without merit. Because they are.

People are not usu. black and white, good or evil. And so it is with Warren. What I've read about him is that he is considerably wealthy, but even so, gives 90% of his income to philanthropic causes. He contributes a lot to help with AIDS (many wingnut Christians believe that AIDS is God's wrath on sinners...but apparently Warren is different in that respect). He actively works on behalf of global warming (also different from many Christians and Republicans). This is not a Jerry Falwell. He's no Bishop Tutu, either. He's good in some respects, and maybe bad in some respects (aren't we all?). He does good works. That's a good thing. Because he believes the Bible says that being gay is a sin, that doesn't make him a bad person all-round. Take the good, and leave the bad behind.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 11:55 PM
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38. What the fuck?
No, seriously. :wtf:
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:16 AM
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40. Seriously. You are trying to paint someone as all-encompassing Evil, the Devil....
he must be stopped at all costs-how dangerous this one person is to our society....he is the Devil Incarnate.

Because there is a choir of voices chiming in, all with the same tune, it's beginning to sound ludicrous. If you want points to be listened to seriously, you have to speak rationally about someone. To take the position that someone is all-encompassing Evil, because he thinks a group of people are sinning, is not rational. Or it just shows a failure of understanding of religious people.

I am from the deep south and have known a lot of religious people in my lifetime. And I've lived more than a few years. This guy really, truly believes the Bible is literal (that's what Evangelism is, as opposed to some other "normal" religions). And he also believes that the Bible tells him that being gay is a sin. Ipso facto. Evangelists have little choice than to take that position. There's a way out of that belief, I think, but the strict construction is...the Bible does, in fact, make reference to a man shall not lie with another man...blah blah. So that's what Warren and all other Evangelists believe. So what? They don't rule the world. And that doesn't make them "Evil."

I'm a woman. The Bible tells Evangelists that women shall be submissive to their husbands, and that the husband is the head of the house. Now, I find that particularly offensive and degrading. But the Bible does, in fact, say that. (The Bible ALSO then says that the husband and wife shall be submissive unto each other...but they CHOOSE to disregard THAT part.) But the fact that the Evangelists believe that about women does not make them "Evil."

Trying to paint someone as totally evil or totally good is just not believable. So I tend not to listen as carefully to people who paint others with such broad brushstrokes. People are not all one thing or another.

That Warren is "bad" in his viewpoint toward homosexuality does not take away from the good that he does in speaking out about AIDS, poverty, global warming, and other things, as well as the considerable amount of money he contributes to charitable works.

There is a concerted effort by a group of people right now to paint Warren as this horrible evil person who should be shut away, all because he doesn't support a particular group's position on an issue. This group of people will not even allow that there is one single thing good or decent about Warren. Not one thing. Imagine. Now, how could I take such a person seriously?

Do you know anyone that doesn't have at least ONE thing bad about him or her? Do you know anyone that doesn't have at least one GOOD thing about him or her? No, I don't either. People like that don't exist.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:30 AM
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41. No one is arguing that Warren is the Devil, I'm only dispelling myths surrounding his "good" works.
Edited on Fri Dec-26-08 12:31 AM by Solon
I frankly don't care what Warren BELIEVES, I care about what he DOES, and what he does is damaging enough.

First, he openly advocated and fought for the passage of Proposition 8, advocating for taking away civil rights from GLBT people in California.

Second, he advocates and funds groups in Africa that provide FAITH-HEALING(fraud) to try to cure AIDS/HIV, and at the same time pushes for Abstinence-Only education of young people in Africa, refuses to distribute condoms to Africans or provide TRUTHFUL sex education in addition to other measures that ACTUALLY WORK.

Thirdly, as I mentioned above, there is little evidence to support the assertion that Warren's charitable organization is doing anything significant in regard to poverty in Africa. At the very least, he should keep records so people know how much food he's distributing.

Look, the fact of the matter is that, while I don't view Warren as the Devil, he's not a God either, and so I need EVIDENCE that he's actually doing something to help the poor and those afflicted with HIV/AIDS in Africa. I will NOT take that on faith. Just because he says he cares, or even funds a mission or two, means absolutely nothing if he's not helping in the first place.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-08 12:04 AM
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39. He did say spousal abuse isn't grounds for divorce.
It's in his Q&A on his website: http://www.saddlebackfamily.com/home/bibleqanda/index.html See #32. He wishes God would let you divorce a man who is abusing you, but gee, too bad, it's not god's will.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 10:58 PM
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36. Did you even read the post, or are you just showing your ignorance?
There is NO evidence that Warren's "charity work" is actually doing anything to help poor people. Not to mention that his work on AID/HIV "awareness" does more to make the problem WORSE, not better for people who suffer from AIDS.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:01 PM
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34. He's a charlatan.
Back in 2006 he lobbied to increase the tax exemption for the personal residences of clergy. Pastors and other religious leaders are the ONLY people in America who get to write off the entire cost of their residences. They justify it by saying that ministers do good in the community but so do secular non-profit workers, but they get no such exemption.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:03 PM
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35. We need to revisit that tax exempt status for churches
There is no point in our subsidizing the apostles of bigotry and intolerance.
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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 04:52 PM
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43. Better late than never. . .
Apparently, it's impossible for me to keep up with this place because I totally missed this shit before I saw this article: Condom Burnings and Anti-Gay Witch Hunts: How Rick Warren Is Undermining AIDs Prevention in Africa. I'm just. . . gobsmacked. How did this guy even merit consideration for inclusion in the inauguration?
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