as God is my witness, this will be my only Rick Warren post...

[carpe diem]

and I was really trying to avoid them altogether, but I was curious about something...

...Does anyone think that the ridiculously high poll numbers that Obama is getting right now are being fueled by a backlash to the backlash over Warren? I suspect that is part of it along with the annoyance over the corporate media's attempt to smear Obama with the Blago mess. Clinton had his highest approval numbers when he was being impeached...didn't mean he was right, just that most Americans thought the attacks and the impeachment were unfair and beyond what the situation warranted. I think a lot of people remember that period and are expressing their support for Obama accordingly.

[DevonRex]

1. Yes, I think so. Bush got a free pass. Barack is taking fire from

all sides and he isn't even in office yet.

[ThomCat]

2. If so, that would be pretty damned sad.

That would mean that people are thinking "OMG, someone's attacking my Idol. I don't care what they're saying, or why! I need to support Obama!"

Isn't that the same kind of blind, idiotic support we mocked in republicans?

[carpe diem]

3. i don't think 82% of the country sees Obama as their idol...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/24/cnn-poll-obama-transition-draws-approval-of-4-in-5-americans/

...particularly those Republicans and Independents that are currently giving him positive ratings. A lot more people approve of the job he's doing so far than actually voted for him, so it's not quite a case of blind loyalty.

[AntiFascist]

13. Maybe they are switching over to support Obama...

because they see that they may have something, that they perceive to be important, in common with him. I won't say what this is.

[Zuiderelle]

14. Right, he's getting more support because he's pandering to them and betraying some of us.

That's the whole fucking problem.

[bettyellen]

6. and the same kind of blind idiotic support i also see here.

[ThomCat]

8. Yes, exactly. If anyone dares to have anything negative to say

about Obama, or anything he's said or done, a whole lot of people immediately attack.

Personally, I wonder how many of them are religions. It seems to me that they've been trained to think of politics and religion in much the same way. Have absolute faith, be obedient, and treat discenting opinions as heretical.

[bettyellen]

19. well there's the fangals and also the savvier than thous- those machivellians that drag out the

chess playing analogies and proudly admit that "some of their best friends...." are bigots. those are the ones who have ice water in ther veins, everyhting is a fucking game to them.

[NYC_SKP]

11. your avatar would have supported him.

I'm pretty sure. Sadly, he needed to live about four years longer to witness this transformation.

"blind idiotic" support?

only through your eyes, bettyellen.

Happy Holidays.

[bettyellen]

17. i DO suport obama-not every single thing he does. i know, it maybe diffcut for you to understand

a lot of people think you're supporting hillary or mc caine for being pissed about warren- yes, it;s been posted here- that's where the idiotoc part comes in.
wht made you ASSUME i didn't support obama? just because i noticed his fuck up?

[NYC_SKP]

22. I'm glad you support him.

This country needs us behind him, even as we hold him accountable.

And anyone being honest can find fault in him, he is imperfect.

Cheers, sorry of any negativity you might have felt.

:toast:

[bettyellen]

24. i am thrilled he's about to be president.

and yeah, people here keep assuming you're not supporting him if you say boo about this warren thing. people assume you are a "militant gay" for being passionate about civil rights!
it is bizarre to say the least.
thanks for keeping it civil and honest and open minded. that's waht it should be like here.
cheers to you too!
:toast:

[Zuiderelle]

15. This place seemed a bit less sheepish to me once upon a time.

Oh well, things change, not always for the better.

[AtomicKitten]

4. LTTE pages are buzzing.

Obama has opened up a dialogue well beyond DU. I have read some amazing things from people on both sides. It's movement on a gut-level issue and IMO it's pretty breathtaking.

[yowzayowzayowza]

5. Seems like a stretch. Not sure Warren is getting...

any more attention than Cabinet choices. :shrug:

[bettyellen]

7. there are op eds and LTTE all over th place- the issue is on fire

[yowzayowzayowza]

9. Itz been less than a week and with the holidaze,...

I'm gunna need to see some really specific numbers. But itz certainly possible. :shrug:

[bettyellen]

12. well it's been everywhere here in nyc for days... but i look at a lot of papers

google might help you!

[NYC_SKP]

10. Lolcats in ur thred

Happy Holidaze to you and yours, jg82567

:toast:

[carpe diem]

21. thanks...

and right back atcha! :hi:

[grantcart]

16. No people have no idea what we are talking about

I have talked with about a dozen non active liberals about this in the last week and not a single one of them even knows who the hell Warren is and isn't upset about it until I explained it to them.

And those were all liberals.

The rest of the country is wondering if they are going to have a job a month from now.

[bettyellen]

18. and you sound glad no one (in san diego?) cares? why is that? here in NYC it;s news.

and i'm glad of it.

[grantcart]

20. I don't know how you would discern I am happy about the fact that people outside

of the blogosphere aren't particularly interested in this issue.

Doesn't it seem logical that if I am talking about with people who are not up on it, it is because I think it is important that they know about it?


It is all over the cable channels and no most people have no awareness of it at all, but people are scared about their jobs, something I am equally unhappy about it.


The kind of people I am talking about are people who consider themselves as Liberals but don't spend their time going to places like DU. Remember in a country of 300 million less than a million bother to watch Olbermann.


None of the people I am talking about are in San Diego but I don't really understand the relevance of that point.


My detailed views of Warren here; http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8012686

[bettyellen]

23. people YOU know outside the blogosphere aren't interested maybe-but as I said it's got a buzz in my

circle, see it in the local papers as well as national ones, the broadcast news as well as cable . Maybe your circle of friends and or local media is very different, sorry- i was trying to get a bead on it. where you were getting this impression from.
i also didn't understand the part about the economy- as if peope could only hold one concern about our nation at a time?
put together, it really threw me, and i can see you assume the rest of the country s experiencing this as you are as well - which is why i asked if it was san diego. i recall it being fairly conservative- lot of military , perhaps that's part of it.

[grantcart]

26. the city of San Diego has been Democratic for some time

The county of San Diego just now has more registered Democrats than Republicans.


It did go yes on 8 53/46 although that almost certainly was influenced by the heavy Hispanic vote more than the Republicans. A number of prominent Republicans, including the mayor of San Diego came out against it. The Republicans in San Diego were never realy big on social issues being obsessed almost excluxively with the question of taxes as being the only issue they seem to have any interest in.

[Hansel]

25. No.

I think it is because they are hoping beyond hope that Obama is going to be the one to fix this frickin economic mess we are in. Since he was set up by the right as a Marist Socialist Commie Pinko Liberal Muslim Terrorist Grannie Killer Foreigner, and he is actually making some centrist choices in his cabinet among other things, people on the right are pleasantly surprised and approving of him. He's not as bad as they thought so he's good. They'll get over it.

A friend I work with whose dad voted for McCain says his dad was complaining that Obama wasn't presented the way he is now during the campaign. What he likes about him is that he just seems like a down to earth guy and not anywhere near a scary as he had been portrayed during the election. I guess he watched the 60 minutes interview or something. He says he would have voted for him if he had presented himself that way during the election. Okay, whatever.

It doesn't hurt that he is talking about creating 3 million jobs at a time when we are losing 1/2 million a month.

This is not about backlash over Warren or Blago. If it's about backlash, I think it's about backlash over the over-the-top way the GOP campaigned against him.

[yardwork]

27. No. #1 - why do you call them "ridiculously" high poll numbers? They seem reasonable to me.

#2 I don't think very many people outside DU and GLBTQ circles are paying any attention to the Warren issue. We're not that important.

I think that 4 out of 5 Americans support Obama because he seems to be choosing a moderate cabinet and that's all they know right now. What's not to like to the average American?

The 20%ers think he's Satan and they comprise the discrepancy. Despite my irritation with Obama over elevating Warren, I don't think that Obama is doing a bad job so far. He isn't even president yet - hasn't done much yet. His cabinet is more centrist than I would like but I expected that