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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:55 AM
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Warren: Syrian Dictator is a "Moderate," Treats Jews Real Nice!
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 09:56 AM by QC
Wow! Soon there won't be anyone left for him to outrage.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/rick-warren-praised-israel-hating.html
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:59 AM
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1. That is a pretty stupid thing for him to say.
Still, I'll crap my pants when most of the DU comes to the defense of Israel.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:42 PM
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15. I was just thinking the same thing
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 05:47 PM by democrattotheend
Ironically, while I have read several times here that Obama is throwing gays under the bus when 70% of them voted for him, I bet if he ever threw the 78% of Jews who voted for him under the bus he'd be more popular here than Ghandi.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:05 AM
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2. From the article:
"Apparently Obama is willing to pal around with anti-Semite sympathizers in addition to homophobes. I stand corrected. I can't wait for Obama to tell Jewish-Americans, and Israelis, to suck it up and deal with the fact that we have to embrace people we disagree with, even when the disagreement is over the destruction of state of Israel and the death of all Jews."

Hoo-boy... :popcorn:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:06 AM
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3. LOL. Warren managed to say something that most DUers heartily
agree with. Anti-semitism is not something that a lot of DUers even believe exists. Any time something about anti-semitism is posted there's the usual chorus about how it's all overblown and/or it's the fault of Israel.
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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:14 AM
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4. Are you that stupid...
I guess you don't understand the difference between anti-semitism and anti-jewish.. Otherwise you wouldn't always confuse the two..
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:17 AM
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5. Anti-semitism *means* anti-Jewish..
were you intending to say 'the difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism'? Or what?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:21 AM
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6. uh, there is no difference between anti-semitism and anti--jewish, genius.
none at all. anti-semitism is the word that describes anti-jewish prejudice. Now obviously there are people who are semites who aren't jewish, but the word itself was coined in 19th century Germant to use against Jews specifically, and that's the meaning of the word throughout its history to this very day. Maybe that will change in time; words often do undergo a change in commonly understood meaning, but that's not the case at the moment.

Glad to educate you.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:49 PM
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16. You are right. In fact, Palestinians are semites, too. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:51 AM
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7. You mean, of course, anti-Semitic and anti-Israel.
And in saying anti-Israel, you mean anti-RW Zionist, such as those who have controlled the agenda in Israel for the past many years; the 'greater Israel', push out the Palastinians, West Bank settlement, 'Israel is what WE say it is' Israelis.

That doesn't fit well into a sound bite, though.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:00 AM
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8. He should just get it all over with...
...and release a statement that outrages everyone at once.

Warren: I Find Puppies To Be Delicious, Especially When Seasoned With The Tears of Orphans
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:01 PM
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9. LOL! n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 03:57 PM
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10. As long as he doesn't eat kittens, we can find common ground there /nt
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:16 PM
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11. Oh yeah
Kittens is where I draw the line.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:33 PM
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12. Man, this just gets better and better
So now not only does he think Jews are all going to hell, but he's also cozy with a state that funnels weapons to Hezbollah and is technically at war with Israel. How come all the other Christian Zionists aren't up in arms about this?

Thanks a lot Obama.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:43 PM
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13. Is Syria another 'bad guy'?
I get so confused...


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/International_War_Crimes/Taking_Down_7_Countries.html
Syria, despite its cooperation with the U.S. against al-Qaeda, has been systematically vilified by a U.S. administration that now refuses to even talk to its government. Soon after Bush's infamous "axis of evil" speech in January 2002, John Bolton added a second tier of Syria, Libya and Cuba to the "evil" list. The anti-Syrian propaganda campaign has been relentless ever since. When no WMD were found in Iraq, some (following an assertion by Ariel Sharon as early as December 2002) suggested that they'd been removed to Syria. Immediately after the assassination of Rafik Hariri in February 2005, Washington -- with no evidence whatsoever -- pointed the finger at Syria. It demanded the withdrawal of Syrian troops in Lebanon, depicting them as an unwelcome oppressive force although they had been deployed there at the request of the Christian-led Lebanese government to help end a civil war.

When the Syrian forces expeditiously withdrew, the U.S. expressed its continued dissatisfaction, accusing Syria of continuing to maintain an intelligence network in the country (as though the U.S. doesn't). The U.S. has consistently accused Syria of harboring former Iraqi Baathist officials (as though there would be anything wrong with providing refuge to officials fleeing an illegally invaded country) and of allowing Arab fighters to cross its border into Iraq. The Syrians reply that they've strained their resources to better police their border, but that the Americans, who cannot adequately guard their own border with Mexico, are asking the impossible.

For many years Washington has designated Syria a terror-sponsoring nation because of its support for Palestinian resistance groups and Hizbollah, Lebanon's most popular political party. Although Syria has repeatedly offered to negotiate a peace agreement with Israel, it has been targeted by the neocons for regime change. A key step towards that end was obtained by the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003, passed overwhelmingly by Congress and signed into law by the president. This makes it official U.S. policy that "Syria should bear responsibility for attacks committed by Hizbollah and other terrorist groups with offices or other facilities in Syria, or bases in areas of Lebanon occupied by Syria" and gives the president broad discretion to take punitive actions.

In late 2005 Richard Perle -- one of the most important neocon architects of Washington's regime change policy -- hosted Farid Ghadry, the head of something called the "Syrian Reform Party," in his suburban Washington home. Last June Ghadry met the neocons' chief sponsor, Vice President Dick Cheney, to strategize about regime change in Syria. This gentleman has told the Wall Street Journal that Perle's buddy Ahmad Chalabi "paved the way in Iraq for what we want to do in Syria." Robert Dreyfuss writing in the American Prospect calls Ghadry "a pro-Israeli Syrian who's maintained ties to neoconservatives in Washington and who is close to Wurmser and his wife, Meyrav Wurmser, the director of Middle East affairs for the Hudson Institute."

In his most recent speech to the nation, President Bush virtually announced his intention to "take down" Syria: "Succeeding in Iraq," he declared, "also requires defending its territorial integrity . . . and stabilizing the region in the face of the extremist challenge. This begins with addressing Iran and Syria. These two regimes are allowing terrorists and insurgents to use their territory to move in and out of Iraq. Iran is providing material support for attacks on American troops. We will disrupt the attacks on our forces. We will interrupt the flow of support from Iran and Syria. And we will seek out and destroy the networks providing advanced weaponry and training to our enemies in Iraq."
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 04:44 PM
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14. I don't quite understand what you're criticizing. Is Syria persecuting Jews?
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 04:45 PM by LittleBlue
I'm an atheist and no fan of Warren, but he said when he visited Syria he observed Jews and Christians in a normal routine of daily life.

Basically he said that he observed no persecution. Is there something inherently antisemitic about saying that Jews can live with Christians in an Islamic state?

I think this is really racism toward Arabs masquerading as concern for antisemitism.
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