Rec this if you can abhor the Warren choice, but still support and be thrilled Obama is Pres Elect!

[RiverStone]

In the BIG picture, a Barack Obama presidency will still swing the pendulum far closer to progressive ideals than the alternative would have.

[MorningGlow]

1. I'm with you

I understand Obama's motivation for the Warren choice. I don't agree with it. But I don't think Obama's become the antichrist for it. I'm still excited as all get-out to have a Dem in office again. I still have faith in Obama. :hi:

[RiverStone]

5. I still have faith in him too

His pic for Interior Sec. in Salazar was also a disappointment for this voter (hoping for Raul); but compared to a continuation of the most corrupt, criminal regime in US history, I remain thrilled Barack will be our next president!

I also have faith that over time, President Obama will please progressives far more than he disappoints.

My focus is on the gain. :hi:

[MorningGlow]

9. There are games he has to play, unfortunately

Washington is all about deal making, and there's shit going on that we can never fathom. Plus those of us on DU are hardcore--we want what we want and feel betrayed if we don't get it.

[roguevalley]

20. to assume that one precludes the other annoys me. I support him. Why would

my opposition to this stupid choice make anyone assume that I don't? Jeez.

[orleans]

83. rick warren is not a game. he's a fucking asshole bigot homophobe

if barack wants to "honor" such a piece of shit i seriously question his judgment.

this is not a game.

this is a statement to the rest of us as to what obama finds acceptable. and if he finds warren acceptable enough to honor him i think that is absolutely disgraceful.

he'll be the fucking president. he doesn't need to put that scumbag in such a glorified spotlight. he won. game over. and he needs to get that pig out of the day's lineup.

[elkston]

2. K & R (as they say)

[WeDidIt]

3. I was thrilled on November 4th.

Today, it seems it was the lesser of evils.

[Political Tiger]

4. Not happy with Warren

But I'm still thrilled to death with Obama!

[RiverStone]

6. Oh you mean...

You see the BIG picture too!


peace~:)

[Political Tiger]

17. Yep!

I voted for Obama not on who he's going to pick to give a prayer at his inauguration but on what he's going to do for me and the country after the inauguration.

[Sebastian Doyle]

7. Thrilled? Not exactly.

Do I think he'll be a better President than McCain? More than likely. Better than Palin? Absolutely.

Will his cabinet be better than a Repuke's? In the areas of energy, science, and labor relations, yes. But what Democratic cabinet would NOT be?

It's the areas of economic policy and foreign policy that have been ENTIRELY fucked up for the last 28 years. And its in those areas that there does not appear to be any positive changes coming. And that is truly sad for this country :evilfrown:

[NYC_SKP]

8. Still thrilled. It's a very Merry Christmas and Holiday time in my house.

Is he perfect?

Hell no, but he was my first choice and I remain thrilled that he won, though not thrilled with every detail.

I don't hold unrealistic expectations--I've found that it always leads to sadness and anger.

:patriot:

[Hansel]

10. Still happy he's president, but disappointed and quite frankly

a little surprised by this affair. Both about his choice and is feeble attempt to defend it.

[peace frog]

54. Ditto

Placing Warren in so prominent an inaugural role surprised and disappointed me. But Obama is far and away the better choice for president over McCain/Palin.

[Lerkfish]

11. I"m still thrilled, however I want to say that I have no right to tell any GLBT

person how to feel or not feel about it. I regret the choice, I understand it politically, but I want this country to get to the point where being intolerant of gays is more "icky" to everyone than being gay.

There are large portions of the population that grievously disappoint me, but I feel powerless to change them.

[Phredicles]

13. What Lerkfish said.

:applause:

[Orrex]

82. That's a great answer

Forgive me if I simply say "ditto."

[PVnRT]

94. Amazing, a reasonable, intelligent response

[gblady]

12. I am thrilled....

man, I feel we have dodged a big one...
being out from under Republican rule...

I am looking forward to see how it unfolds...
and to participate in ways I am able in an
administration that actively seeks my input.

Talk about change I can believe in!

[snowbear]

36. Me too! ... THRILLED.

.
.

[Kahuna]

14. I love Obama. I wish he had not chosen Warren. I kind of understand..

But I don't like it. Hopefully, in the long run he will reap some positive results of this odious association.

[localroger]

18. Me too

The more I think about it -- and the current dustup is causing me to think about it a lot -- the more I think I understand what Obama is doing. And it's really slick, as well as a bit risky. But the whole situation reminds me of one of the old Star Trek TOS episodes where Kirk was forced to play chess with his crewmates as live pieces. There is no way to win the game if you are unwilling to even appear to be sacrificing a "piece." But you can feint, and I think that's what he is doing. What he has given Warren is perfectly worthless in the long run, but I think the idea was to create a complementary response among evangelicals to the negative response he's created here, and bring those people into the tent for other purposes. I'm sure it sucks to be thrown under the bus, even if it's just an illusion in a mirror, but he has to give something (even if just something symbolic) to these people. At this point he doesn't have to give them much -- they're starting to realize that after 6 years of total control, which they granted, BushCo gave them nothing anyway. If Obama can give them universal healthcare and a social safety net, which their invisible sky being pretty much says are good things, he may be able to THEN schmooze them on issues they don't like so much like gay rights and the drug war. It's a hard game, I'm no good at it myself, but I've seen Obama work it and if anybody can pull it off he can.

[Kahuna]

19. You nailed it!

:applause:

[madmadmad]

24. yeah, it sucks to be thrown under the bus, but a long as you get healthcare...

...i'm cool with my rights being stripped away, and my marriage ruled null and void.

FUCK THAT SHIT. one has nothing to do with the other. jesus.

[localroger]

26. Well, I don't think Obama is really cool with that shit

It just looks like that in the mirror. Learn to appreciate not what the magic act looks like, but what the magician is doing behind the scenes. It's a whole other show back there.

[madmadmad]

35. well, then he better pull the biggest fuckin equal rights rabbit outta that hat.

on live television, and follow it up by making that fat fuck disappear.

[orleans]

84. LOL

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[bigscott]

99. Peace Mad!

you nailed it - as long as it is OUR rights being shit all over (even symbolically), it does not matter to them

Have a wonderful holiday

S

[lamp_shade]

15. Merry Christmas.

[rhett o rick]

101. And just what do you mean by that.

And a Merry Christmas to you too.

[Cha]

16. Oh yeah, and I still am thrilled

Obama is going to be the Prez even though we need constant vigilance on Equal Rights for all Americans and, imo, Tom Vilsack and the Sec of Ag will need monitoring closely to make sure we're looking out for our small and large organic farms and smaller farms in the USA.

[madmadmad]

21. I'M THRILLED THAT MY PRESIDENT ELECT HAS STABBED ME IN BACK. YIPPIE!

NO REC FOR YOU!

[mkultra]

41. absolutley thrilled and only midley disapointed in the warren thing

giving the invocation is such a minor role that it seems a pithy bone to throw.

[Jennicut]

51. mad, your anger is understandable

But its not going to change things. Being productive/constructive about your anger at Obama will. We need to protest this but not attack other posters over and over again.

[MNBrewer]

62. Nothing changes anything

Change is an "illusion"

PRESTO, CHANGE-O

[George II]

98. No he didn't - grow up!

[tomm2thumbs]

104. he should have had Ted Haggard give it

now THAT would be justice for all!

[BklynChick]

22. yes K/R

[BklynChick]

23. yes K/R

[polichick]

25. Of course.

[jonnyblitz]

27. not too many "thrilled" people so far it seems. that's too bad.

either that or they don't obhor Warren. maybe nobody is around on Saturday. :shrug:

[mzmolly]

28. .

K and R

[Lilyeye]

29. K&R

[Phx_Dem]

30. Love Obama, don't give a shit about Warren.

[IndianaGreen]

31. The thrill is gone!

Actually, Election Day was bitter sweet. Seeing Indiana turn blue was awesome. Seeing Prop 8 pass was troublesome. Having Obama invite a homophobe, misogynist, and anti-Semite to give the Inaugural's invocation is deeply hurtful and totally unacceptable.

I wonder what the next betrayal is going to be...

:scared:

[SammyWinstonJack]

103. Health care. Wait for it.

x(

[Fire1]

32. ditto k&r

[BlooInBloo]

33. We're all gay bashing bigots.

:P

[jesus_of_suburbia]

34. I'm still with Barack all the way, I'm just hurt. I'm still thrilled he's President.

I'm looking to see what policies he helps pass.


I have hope that he won't elect religious bigots to the Supreme Court.


Those are the kind of things I'm most worried about now.

[orleans]

85. omg!

"I have hope that he won't elect religious bigots to the Supreme Court."

well, i hadn't thought of that. but i wouldn't have guessed that he would stand for this pig at his inauguration either.

[stillcool]

37. I'm not exactly thrilled...

They're are a couple of events that I will not be able to attend. I've been stuck in this damn apartment, and the future doesn't look too rosy for socializing. I miss being around people that are alive with ideas, and <gasp> hope. It's all kind of depressing. Although maybe that's the holidays as well.

[donheld]

38. K & R

[Skittles]

39. LOL

pass

[proud patriot]

40. k and r

[rox63]

42. Hell yeah!

K&R!

[Bluenorthwest]

43. He's better than McCain

that's it.

[BlueMTexpat]

44. I'm thrilled that he won for so many reasons.

Did I expect that he would be perfect? No. And he isn't.

But I do believe that there will finally be someone in the WH who cares about the US Constitution. And whatever Obama himself may say about marriage being only between a man and a woman (and he HAS said that), I believe that someone who truly cares about the US Constitution cannot deny that Prop 8, and anything like it, is simply unConstitutional.

[TankLV]

45. The "thrill" left long ago. I'm VERY OUTRAGED and upset.

obama (the non-capitlization is on purpose - it's how small he has become) is failing rapidly in my view...

He will no longer receive ANY support from me - I will let the repukes at work babble on endlessly from now on without challenge...

In fact I will find it easier to pile on the many VALID criticizms of him and his INEXPERIECE and lack of any credibility other than MEANINGLESS WORDS.

[MadBadger]

90. Your support from him what Crappy at best anyway.

[Upfront]

46. K&R

I do to both concepts.

[Faygo Kid]

47. Yeah, that pretty much captures it. I am appalled about Warren. But W. will be gone.

Barack plays it very close to the vest, but let's give him a chance. He has got a huge task in front of him - maybe not as big as Lincoln's, but damned close to FDR's.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

48. I'm thrilled

there is a Democrat as opposed to a Republican in office.

[Jennicut]

49. I am. One can be both.

I will work to pressure Obama on equal rights for our GLBT friends but I will still support his presidency. Obama is progressive on some things, not enough on other things. But to throw the baby out with the bathwater makes no sense.

[Scurrilous]

50. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Uzybone]

52. Warren is indefensible

But I'm still thrilled as fuck by PE Obama and I will celebrate a new admin on 1/20/09.

[No Elephants]

53. Gee, that's odd.. I've read a lot of the Warren threads. I cannot recall a single poster who said

he or she would have preferred McCain. Got a link to a post that said anything remotely like that?

[Betsy Ross]

55. I take a truthful president over anyone.

He said he wouldn't be a perfect president, and his has made some misktakes in the eyes of many. I am a major fan of President-Elect Barack Obama and emailed him with my concerns about Warren when the news was first released. As long as I can feel he is not lying to me, I will continue to be an ardent supporter.

[iconicgnom]

56. Human rights aren't an issue of "us" and "them". Feeding "them" coffee and donuts doesn't cut it.

This issue goes to the very root of real values, of civilized thinking. Sure, I can be a member of a church that designates who should and shouldn't be married in that church, or is eligible to receive this sacrament or that honor. But I should never have the power to deny another the right to be member or another church, or institution, which designates these things differently. Warren and co. cross the line when they say that they speak and rule for all christianity, for all religions even, as they *do* -- because nobody has the power to do that. They should have no power over whether another church or group fully recognizes marriage between people of the same gender. They should have no power to annul such a marriage. It simply isn't their business! And especially since marriages have legal force and legal implications, and even huge life and death ramifications that are recognized by the state and public institutions, the state should have NO BUSINESS discriminating against one church or group just for the pleasure of satisfying the bigotry of another.

Unfortunately, Obama and Warren think much the same way about marriage in general, citing the fact that because *their* church and *their* tradition is the *only* church and tradition that counts, so they can and should impose *their* tradition on the whole population. After which they throw a few bones, or donuts, to "the gays", to demonstrate how they aren't really bigots. But the issue isn't whether this or that person is a bigot, it's about whether or not the state lives by the rule of equal rights under the law, or not. Either equal rights under the law is treated as a fundamental value, or not.

Sorry to have to say it, but Obama pissed on his own parade with this choice. There's no question that Obama/Biden is a superior choice in all ways to McCain/Palin. In fact the comparison is absurd. But it's just because the comparison is absurd that Obama should be held to account for mistakes of this order -- because these mistakes betray that difference.

[uponit7771]

57. On this issues with Obama there's room for improvement, the good thing about this is we can "make"..

...him where as in the past we wouldn't have a chance.

I'd like the government to stay out of the definition of "marriage" and the rights to those who want to get into a partnership should be defined by the state just so the state can't discriminate.

[iconicgnom]

80. I agree.

[jenmito]

58. Too late to rec. but I am still thrilled he won! n/t

[RetroLounge]

59. Sorry, no rec.

Glad he's the PE and not McCain.

Other than that? He's shot any thrill in the foot.

RL

[pnorman]

60. It was too late for me to recommend this thread, but I'll sure as hell KICK IT!

January Twenty First 2009, can't come too soon for me!

pnorman

[Jawja]

61. Very Proud of Obama

as President-Elect. The Rick Warren choice for the Inaugural Invocation is a BAD choice and I disapprove of that choice. However, I am still a proud Obama supporter and look forward to January 20.

[mikehiggins]

63. Okay, sign me up n/t

[Proud Liberal Dem]

64. I don't like what Warren represents nor am I happy about his pick to do the invocation

However FWIW it is ONLY a 2 minute invocation NOT a cabinet and/or advisory position within Obama's administration and I don't see it being a huge deal unless he decides to use the occasion to spew venom at his political opponents but I don't suspect that that is what is going to happen. I see his pick as largely being a "thank you" to Warren for him inviting Obama to the Saddle Back forum (however ill-advised his attendance there might have been) and not much more than that. I understand, however, why some people might be really upset about it and I will respectfully let them vent as much as they want to about it. I'm pretty certain that his pick of Warren for his inaugural invocation will probably be long forgotten once Obama becomes President and he and his allies in Congress start pushing their agenda and trying to repair MUCH worse "wrongs" that have been committed by Bush, et. al during the past 8 years.

[zipplewrath]

65. No. It's crushed my enthusiasm

I'm back to where I was with Clinton. Lesser of two evils and all of that. We've canceled our inauguration party because too many of the guests were GLBT. I'm not going to come home from work to listen to the inauguration. Obama can't make me listen to that guy, that day. And if I'm just going to have to pick through the event, I can do that on You Tube later. It's taken the celebration out of the day. Sure I'm glad it's not "the other guy" but for a moment I thought I was going to be glad it was THIS guy. But he's falling into the same old trap of listening to no one, not going to admit a mistake, surrounded by people who won't tell him he's screwed up. He has engaged no one on this issue and doesn't even have some third level flunky engaging the GLBT community on this issue. It's all so familiar to this old liberal.

[CadenBlaker]

66. Sometimes, we libs need a mirror and a little more common sense.

I don't understand these people who just want to shut out others. Look, everyone doesn't think like us, so we must work together. Abhore the douchebag and let him have it, but I still stand by the fact that I didn't like being ignored for eight freaking years, and Obama has shown he will not ignore the right as Bush did the left.

[MarianJack]

67. Too Late to R,...

...but please accept a K!

[Richd506]

79. Totally agree

I can understand why people would be disappointed in the Warren pick but it shouldn't be seen as a microcosm for what to expect the next eight years. We can't forget that Lincoln pissed off everyone when he was president, from left to right. But the man ended slavery and restored the union and when you're dealing with politics, that's what counts!

[dusmcj]

68. this is real life, the issue is not providing assurances of loyalty

Utimately, Mr. Obama has the obligation thrill us, we do not have the obligation to be thrilled. Get it straight.

(He seems perfectly capable of doing it. His mass of stupid supporters may fuck it up for him yet though.)

[cooolandrew]

69. Yep, I think great things lie ahead if we make our points fairly and reasonably and still stay >

together. The door of opportunity on many issues even gay issues is open and I'm gonna run through that door as fast as I can and work to make this presidency work to the best of the office's ability.

[trickyguy]

70. I was thrilled with Obama's win but picking Warren is big-time loser stuff. I'm hurt.

[PensiveGadfly]

71. How does one "rec" a post?

I'm with you. The Warren pick had me upset, but I've come to see it this way:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stranahan/embrace-what-you-have-in_b_151976.html

So how do I "rec" this post?

[Tab]

72. Rec this if you're a Democrat using "DU" but still support and be thrilled we have oxygen!

I mean, for chrissakes people... rec's aren't meant to be direct polls, particularly like this. The "greatest" article feature is effectively being destroyed by things like "rec this if you breathe oxygen". C'mon, folks.

[PensiveGadfly]

74. So explain

I'm new to DU. What is "rec" for (I assume it means recommend), and how should it be used?

[Tab]

96. It was originally meant to identify threads of value

First, welcome to DU!

And thanks for asking about the function.

I don't know if you can recommend on a 9 post history or not, but if not, I'm pretty sure you're close to when you can start recommending, if you can't do so already. If you could (and maybe you can) you'll see a "Recommend this thread" button on the lower left (I believe) of the post you're reading.

Basically, recommend was meant to be a tool to identify threads worth reading. If you liked reading a particular post, and wanted to recommend it to others, thinking it had something of value for them to read, you'd "recommend" it. Recommends aren't structured over WHO recommends - a recommend with someone here for a day with 12 posts and a recommend from someone here for years with a zillion posts still counts the same. But if enough people recommend the post gets tossed onto the "greatest" page, and bubbles its way up over time to the top. Of course, there are some flaws in the structure - a recommended thread that gets higher visibility is more likely to get read and therefore recommended further, so it's not perfect, but it generally works. There's also a time limit, so a thread doesn't dominate for weeks, months or years.

Anyway, the intention was to bring to the attention of other people information (in a post/thread) that others thought valuable. If enough people thought it was generally informational or valuable it would gain higher visibility and others would get to read it too.

Unfortunately (in my view) people have started using it as a substitute for a poll (a different feature that DU does have). Invariably people are asking others to K&R (meaning Kick and Recommend, the kicking refers to adding to the thread which shoves it back to the top of the latest-posted-upon list), sort of subverting the intention of the recommend system and also preventing the real use of the system, which is to, as I said, identify worthy threads to each other. Lately it seems like we're getting very gratuitious threads overwhelming others in an effort for voting.

I actually wouldn't mind if people just posted to a thread (like "post here to show your support for 'x' "), which would limit it to kicking, and still keep it at the top of the heap, post-wise, and still keep it visible, and still give it an indicator of value, but lately it's turned into the polling-technique of choice, and really defeating the recommendation process (in the spirit of the law, if not the letter of the law).

I don't have any ownership over the function, but I've seen it since it was first implemented, and the limit of what I can do about it now is just indicate my frustration when the feature is used for stupid things (IMO).

So that's it - nothing magical, but that's the backstory, at least from my point of view.

[gratefultobelib]

100. I was scrolling down this thread and saw your post. Did you get an

answer to your question? You can recommend an original post by clicking on the "recommend" button at the bottom of the post. I believe there is a 24 hour window to be able to recommend, and you also have to have a minimum number of posts before you are allowed to recommend. Once the OP receives 5 recommends, it goes to the greatest page, and there it can keep getting recommends, and make its way to higher status.

[JPettus]

73. Agreed

This is a thread I can get behind and support.



Thanks.

[AntiFascist]

75. I still have faith in all issues outside of GLBT ones....

I just hope we (the GLBT community) don't end up becoming the sacrificial lamb...da...so to speak.

[AntiFascist]

78. Wow, one simple word can have so much power (ST*NEW*LL)

that it is considered a security threat. We should remember that.

[iconicgnom]

81. well... there's FISA

I wonder whether americans understand just how much they lost in the Bush years.

[JohnnyRingo]

76. Too late to rec

I really wish it wasn't.

[Richd506]

77. K & R

[orleans]

86. WHY DOES THIS EVEN HAVE TO BE AN ISSUE?

i say SHAME ON HIM for not coming out and saying of course he isn't going to let a pig like warren speak at his inauguration.

he shouldn't be dicking around with this and playing games with civil rights and human rights.

shame on him for flying off to hawaii and not ending this bullshit before he left.

he wants that bastard spewing his prayers of hate on january 20? fine. i won't be a party to it.

i hated bush as much as the next guy. and mccain. i wanted obama to win as much as anyone. BUT HE DOESN'T GET A PASS OVER THIS. i think it is disgraceful that warren was even selected.

[countryken]

87. Let's not overreact.

It's not as if Obama is giving Warren a position of any kind of authority. He's up there to say a few inoffensive scripted words, and if this can sway some of his followers and open their minds a bit, it's ultimately harmless.

Warren is a homophobic sleazeball, but I see no evidence that he'll have any impact on the policies of the Obama administration. If he rants and raves about his views during the inauguration, I'll have a problem. If he says a harmless prayer (which is what I'm expecting), then I give President Obama a pass.

[Cobalt-60]

88. I think Obama is playing Warren

Personally I would have wouldn't have gone that way.
But Obama might be trying to sap the fundies ardor.
They're primed for oppression. Not getting it will prove Fundie leaders wrong in the open.
Warren is bright enough to know that if he misbehaves there will almost certainly
be a great deal of trouble for him.
So I believe we'll hear a pretty generic benediction.
If I'm wrong we can feed his plump fingertips to the wolverines.

[stevenleser]

89. Past 24 hrs so can't Rec but I would Rec if I could...

I hope Obama pulls Warren from any role in the nomination.

[OnionPatch]

91. I can.

I've never for a second believed we could have a president that wasn't politically expedient when he/she needs to be, so I'm not shocked or surprised about the Warren choice. I don't like the choice, but Warren saying a prayer on TV does not take rights away from anyone. I'm a bit confused why so many seem to think it does. If Warren uses the prayer to advocate against gay marriage, I will be very angry. If Warren were appointed to some position of power, I would be furious. But I somehow doubt this is going to happen. It's a short prayer, nothing more. I bet there will be plenty of other people participating in the inauguration who have one or more views I disagree with, some probably hitting closer to home for me than the gay marriage issue, but I am going to be partying on January 20th, because I know what the alternative would have been....we got an ice cream sundae instead of a steaming pile of crap. So maybe it doesn't have whipped cream and a cherry on top. :shrug: I'm happy anyway, because this is not a perfect world and never will be. I celebrate the little victories when they happen.

[txwhitedove]

92. Well said, I agree.

[Strathos]

93. Love him, HATE WARREN, won't forget this anytime soon

I'm all for giving chances, and sometimes way more than 3 or 4, but if this continues, my love for Obama will be lost and I'll be as against him as I was Bush. He's not getting a pass simply because he calls himself a Democrat. I don't give a fuck about this "reaching across the aisle" bullshit either. I want the party and the attitude moved more to the left than I do the right.

Why should Democrats and Liberals be the only ones who reach across the proverbial aisle. I know that's the only time you ever hear a goddamned republican even whisper the words "reach across the aisle", is when Democrats are in control.

Yes, I believe we are the better party, the better people, but for those who are so used to playing dirty like the republicans, you're gonna have to get dirty to toss them out on their asses.


No more Mr. Nice Guy, it's time to play the game on their terms and get rid of them for good.

Hopefully they've done enough damage to themselves, our work will be light and easy.

[JohnDoe_America]

106. How can you unite the country with someone from the radical right?

I agree with you his choice sucks and I am not happy about it. How could he possibly believe that a message from the religious right is what this country needs to bring it together? His decision here shows how easily he is willing to give up on the human goal of progressing human rights. Why would a progressive religious leader's invocation be bad? If we are going to move closer to a society of equality for all we need to voice the progressive message of tolerance and dare I say away from first century morals.

He is dead wrong here and I am more than disappointed his decision here reminded me immediately of Clinton's decision to back off on letting gays serve openly in the military. He is showing himself to be a compromiser when he should instead show his leadership on the issue of civil rights. There is nothing more important than moving this country and this world away from religious dogma of the past. We can't there be legitimizing the hatred and bigoted views of the right.

This is NOT A SMALL thing. It doesn't get any bigger for me.

[orbitalman]

95. Comparatively, to Bush....

this is making a mountain out of a molehill. In fact, so many democrats are acting like republicans, in ain't funny. C'mon people, screw your heads on straight.

[George II]

97. Great idea - THANK YOU!!!

[mecherosegarden]

102. Oh yeah, and I still am thrilled! N/T

[spiritual_gunfighter]

105. K&R Full agreement

I hate the Warren choice to the core of my being, it is a betrayal in my opinion, that being said it doesn't change the fact that I still love Obama and support him. I still think he will bring the change we need.

[treestar]

107. Yep

One-issue voters just aren't with reality, whether they are on the right or the left.

[JohnDoe_America]

108. You don't start the pendulum swing with a message from the American Tali-ban

"Human rights" is not a single issue.

The world view of the religious right and all other religious fundamental views is the greatest impediment to a truly progressive society we hope to make. If continue to legitimize the views of the Old Testament, New Testament or Koran how can we hope for universal health care, a foreign policy based on peace, or an energy policy that respects the earth's resources and fragile ecosystem.

Do we really need to promote the religious dogma that blames the poor, the Katrina, and Sunami victims for their state and that worships wealth and the powerful? Why not have a progressive religious leader who preaches tolerance and acceptance? We need to change attitudes in this country and the world so we can come together and overcome the in-group mentality of religions.

Warren once said the difference between himself and Dobson was one of tone not policy. We need to de-legitimize the voices of intolerance and push our progressive message and we can't do that by picking Warren on this historic occasion.

Warren and the religious right's message is not a single issue by any means it is the core of everything we want to accomplish. Obama's pick is not one made from a leader but instead made by a triangulating politician.

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109. k & r

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110. With you. And him.

He's going to be the best President we've had in a very long time.

Still ticked at a few things though.

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111. Attempted Rec...it said it was too late to recommend. But here's a kick!

Thank you for starting this thread. People here agree more than they think they do.