People please. GPP's acting as if Warren was appointed Secretary of State or something!

[Hawkeye-X]

He'll be only saying the blessings for less than 2 minutes, smile and then he'll disappear.

CALM DOWN PEOPLE!

Let's get it moving - let's focus on the important issues, please. Economy comes to mind.

Disgusted,

Hawkeye-X

[RiverStone]

1. I can hate the Warren decision, but still support PE Obama!

I really can't fathom how some are throwing Obama fully under the bus when we finally are about out from under the most criminal regime in US history. A brilliant man fucks up, but he will do far better as pres then the alternative.

Calm the fuck down --- damn right.

[xchrom]

2. not having a guy i voted for embrace a man

who endorces violence done to lgbtiq people comes to mind.

and with chooseing rick -- this makes a total of -- what 5 times? -- barack has done this.

[elocs]

32. Really? So Obama is "embracing" Warren?

I am glad that there are those who are keeping track and tabs on the "done this" though. We should know the exact number of times that "done this" has occurred. Damn, I knew I should have voted for McCain.

[Bluebear]

3. 'let's focus on the important issues, please' - like Warren trying to negate 18,000 marriages?

Is that important?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4685771

[silverojo]

10. When people are losing their jobs, homes, and lack food?

No, it's not important. The economy is THE most important issue right now, followed by the environment. Otherwise, there will be no America left in which gays OR straights can get married.

Priorities, people!!

[Bluebear]

15. Tell that to the HIV-positive man who becomes no longer married

and is taken off his spouse's health insurance. I know that this whole marriage thing just represents two little men on a wedding cake to you but the implications go much deeper. "People!!"

[The Doctor.]

30. Sounds like universal health care would help.

It would also help all the people who aren't married at all.

There's more to it all than 'which issue is more important'. There are also single mothers with HIV-AIDS who don't have insurance. We don't tell your gentleman or her which of the two issues is most important. There are just too many important issues to turn it all into some stupid competition.

[Sebastian Doyle]

41. I'll bet Prick Warren doesn't support health care reform either

Because we all know how much God hates "socialism" :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

43. Just looked around... haven't found any comments by him on it.

It really wouldn't surprise me if he was a staunch opponent of UHC.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

42. I posted a similar thought in another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8015561&mesg_id=8017081

Don't you love zero-sum games?

[Jamastiene]

29. Money is all that matters, got it. n/t

[nichomachus]

34. We should be able to handle more tha one thing at a time

Would you tell black people that we won't enforce equal rights laws for them until we fix the economy?

[CreekDog]

46. As Obama said, the president needs to be able to handle more than 1 issue at a time

both issues are of significant importance.

among voters however, nothing is important to as many as the economy right now.

[hlthe2b]

4. I'm scared shitless about this economy....

I'd like to see some posts about it, but for three days one important issue (and granted, it is an important issue) has prevailed. Now we are in the inevitable cycle of posters getting emotional and posting crap that gets them banned. This is followed by those seeing the fallout, starting the "I'm leaving" threads.

Please don't become one of them, Hawkeye-X... this will resolve soon, I hope...

Meanwhile, will the economy be what ultimately destroys us all? :shrug:

[Hawkeye-X]

20. I've stayed out of those incidientary threads.

This is my one and only response to the Rick Warren bullshit - GROW THE HELL UP.

ITS ALMOST OVER!

Hawkeye-X

[Jamastiene]

31. That was an unwarranted bit of anger.

That poster was being nice to you. :wtf:

[grantcart]

5. GPP is always doing that shit

BTW

who is GPP?
:hi:

[EFerrari]

6. Go look at the front page of this forum. There are far more of these threads

than there are threads actually discussing the issue.

[Radical Activist]

7. ding

Its getting ridiculous when threads about the debate outnumber threads debating the issue.

[Lyric]

8. Of course. The only thing that matters is what he says DURING the invocation.

And Obama choosing him isn't going to lead to new opportunities for interviews that he wouldn't have otherwise had, high publicity that he wouldn't have otherwise enjoyed, and an enormous media soapbox from which Warren and his bigoted allies can demonize gays and women before (and after) Inauguration Day.

Oh, wait...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28298093

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8006603

:eyes:

[hlthe2b]

13. Actually, I'm sort of thinking Rachel M. is right- he is self-destructing

via these interviews... Each time he does so, it stimulates media interest (generally picked up from blogs) in the "back story"--his previous statements, writings, speeches, etc. I think the "moderate" Reverend Warren is being exposed for what he REALLY is and that is NOT good for him... When he wrote the Purpose Driven Life, I never read it, but I assumed it was fairly secular.... and I think it was somewhat marketed that way. So all those who thought he presented an alternative to the far RW fundie religious gurus, now know the truth....

The best disinfectant as they say....

I'm not arguing he should be included in the inaugural. He should not. But, one bright side of this episode, I think, is that he is being exposed.

[Radical Activist]

9. A spot in the innauguration is very prominent.

It legitimizes him as a national spiritual leader. That's not cool.

But, yes...actual policy is where it counts most and I still think Obama will continue his record of supporting GLBT civil rights. And if we ever get to the point where gay marriage can be legalized at the national level I don't think Obama will be the one standing in its way.

[ThomCat]

11. He's not going to disappear.

At least not from our lives. x(

He's been campaigning to take away our rights, successfully! And this will only help him.

People who keep saying he's going to disappear really mean that they're going to be able to ignore him again, and ignore us again afterward.

If you don't care about the civil rights of GLBT people at least have the balls to come out and say so.

[QC]

14. Warren is not a threat to those who seek to dismiss him.

He really isn't terribly significant, to them.

To others, of course, Warren is a very dangerous man, but empathy is not usually something this board is very good at.

[ThomCat]

17. You're right, and because of that lack of empathy, Straight dems

keep throwing LGBT people under the bus over and over and over again. x(

Damn it, when is it going to stop?

[QC]

19. It's like me saying unemployment is not a serious issue because I have tenure.

Monstrously self-absorbed, eh?

But we hear variations on that theme all the time lately.

[ThomCat]

21. Self Absorbed? Have you been looking around?

Straight Dems have been throwing us under the bus, repeatedly. That's not self-absorption. That's just seeing how clueless and uncaring straight people around here are in vast numbers.

Empathy is in very short supply.

And your response isn't showing much either. What are you expecting? Are we supposed to wait quietly and politely in anticipating for or straight allies to speak up for us? Are we supposed to just keep waiting?

[QC]

26. I think you are misreading me.

What I am saying is that many people here assume that issues that do not affect them personally are not issues at all.

That would be like me saying that since I have relatively secure employment, those who do not should stop "whining" because it's not an important issue.

[LeftCoast]

12. Nice to know my civil rights aren't 'important issues' for ya

Love ya too...really. Mean it.

[hlthe2b]

16. I don't think that is what he meant to say, LC...

Everyone's civil rights are critically important to me and based on what I know of Hawkeye-X, I believe the same of him.

[Hawkeye-X]

22. You are correct!

This is very important to me - sure, I respect gay wanting to get married or have benefits - the gays are the minority, as am I - I'm straight, white DEAF man - that makes me an outcast of society. Do you think it's always fun to look for public events that you could maybe *COMPRHEND* like a movie with captioning, or maybe a football game. But we hear silence, and see the loudness of the actions.

And yes, civil rights are important to me, you and everyone else's.

All I am saying Rick Warren is one person of maybe a thousands participating in the inaugration, and you think he's going to be the next VP of the US or something. Don't give him any more attention that you guys are giving him - he's like a troll - he'll only feed off the attention.

Hawkeye-X

[ThomCat]

23. But he's GETTING attention.

And getting getting that speaking spot will give him a lifetime of credibility. Credibility he's going to be able to use like a bludgeon against US.

I don't understand how straight people don't see this. Putting him up on a national stage of honor in front of the entire country, even if only for a few minutes, is going to hurt our community for decades.

How can they do this to us? And how is it that you're not all standing with us opposing this?

[EFerrari]

25. It's working out the other way. The more attention he gets

the more he speaks up. The more he speaks up, the more easily people see how extreme his views are and not only on gay civil rights but on just about everything.

[jonnyblitz]

18. it's what they are talking about EVERYWHERE, not just here.

it's ALL anybody is talking about, much to the dismay of you Obama fans, i am sure.

[bluedawg12]

24. Well, go post on the economy. Odd you complain, too much of "that!"

Then you write about "that!"

[The Doctor.]

27. Well... yer a bigot now.

:silly:

[Jamastiene]

28. What does GPP stand for? n/t

[Bluebear]

36. was wondering!

[paulk]

39. should be GD/P

[nichomachus]

33. Well, if it's such an insignificant part of the proceedings

Obama should just cancel his appearance altogether. No one will miss him and no one will complain. Right?

[alwysdrunk]

35. You know you are officially a bigot now right?

Welcome to the club. You're in good company though, your in with the most popular democratic president in 28 years.

[GeorgeGist]

37. Admittedly, Rick Warrens 'blessing' has no credence whatsoever ...

but its disgraceful that Obama would solicit it ... especially in public.

[PM7nj]

38. I don't know which is the worst...

1) Warren at the inauguration.
2) The people defending Warren.
3) The fucking ridiculousness that is DU at the moment.

To hell with it all.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

40. Tee hee

:popcorn:

[SeattleGirl]

44. Thank you!

I DO support full rights for those in the GLBT community; for them not to have the same rights I do is disgusting.

But,

I must also say that it is not the ONLY issue facing us.

There are so many or them out there.

I, for one, can focus on more than one issue at a time.

And I'm willing to bet the same is true for a lot of DUers.

[CreekDog]

45. I heard he was being put in charge of Hillary Clinton

<sound of heads exploding>

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