I'm fucking sick of "reaching out", "bipartisanship", and all that other BS

[FLAprogressive]

When * "won".....did he reach out to any of us?

Why is it that when we have such large majorities in the House and Senate, we have to "compromise"...but when Repukes had lesser majorities, they could pass whatever they damn well pleased....no "compromise" needed.

I'll give those POSes on the right some credit....at least they got some shit done.

We won 53-45! The evangelicals, neocons, and racists deserve no "reaching out".

[FLAprogressive]

1. And since didn't directly mention this. Fuck Rick Warren.

[Johonny]

2. There's nothing wrong with it

If Obama wants to reach out to Republicans before the beginning of his administration why shouldn't he? At the moment he is not president, is setting his agenda and is letting Republican have a chance to get on board with it. Republicans for the most part seem to have not interest in bipartisanship. So I imagine the attempts will end as soon as those that won in 2008 come into the white house and congress.

[FLAprogressive]

3. I'm OK if he reaches out to Olympia Snowe or another sensible Republican. But Fuck Rick Warren.

[mwei924]

4. That's the Bush way. "I won so I don't have to listen to you losers. "

[FLAprogressive]

5. So? Isn't it our turn? nt

[mwei924]

8. That's a very childish view. Maybe it's what you wanted, but Obama never indicated he would.

[eppur_se_muova]

6. Reach out your hand and get it bitten. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Fundies don't just bite the hand that feeds them. They gnaw on it; they ingest it. And you can't threaten to abandon them -- it just feeds their martyr complex. You can't negotiate with them because it's their fundamental beliefs that are the root of the problem, and they will never change those. "Compromise" with these people is never compromise, it can only be surrender. It does NOT serve our interests.

[FLAprogressive]

7. Yup...the DLC political philosophy of "giving in" has pervaded our party. nt

[jenmito]

9. Then you shouldn't have voted for him. He didn't run as a partisan or as a

liberal. The line he's been using since '04 is, "There is no red America or blue America. There is the United States of America."

[FLAprogressive]

11. So you're okay with giving in to the worst side of the right? nt

[jenmito]

17. No. I'm ok with him picking Rick Warren to give the invocation. That has nothing to do with

the policies he talked about enacting when he became President. He has always said he's personally against gay marriage but for allowing the states to decide, for giving gay couples all the rights of straight couples, and for repealing DADT. I wish he was for gay marriage, but I never thought he was for it since he never SAID he was for it.

[FLAprogressive]

19. So if he picked David Duke you'd be OK with that too? nt

[jenmito]

No. Now you're being unreasonable. Obama has spoken at Warren's church before to talk

about AIDS and other things "compassionate conservatives" care about.

[MadBadger]

10. Then you voted for the wrong candidate.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. What part of "there is no red america or blue america, just america"

did some people not understand?

[FLAprogressive]

29. Fuck you gay America, or progressive America. You're not welcome at the table.

Only "centrist" Democrats and (all) Republicans please.

[jenmito]

34. Didn't he appoint a couple gay people to his cabinet? n/t

[DCBob]

12. Because Obama is trying to reduce the hyper-partisanship that is polarizing this country.

It is a dangerous trend that needs to be stopped. It seems to be working so far. Obama has a 70%+ approval rating at the moment.

[frylock]

14. it will never stop..

the dems will continue to capitulate and the repubs will continue to jam it up their ass. that's the new bipartisanship.

[FLAprogressive]

15. And I think there's a difference between old "bipartisanship" and new "bipartisanship"

old "bipartianship" = working with people on the other end of the political spectrum towards a common goal

new "bipartisanship" = giving in so much to where no one really wins

[DCBob]

31. You seem to have lost your hope.

I think you need a drink. Me too.

:toast:

[OwnedByFerrets]

13. K and R because Im sick to my stomach of this shit.

[FLAprogressive]

16. thank you.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. And we saw what a polorized country did to us over the last 8 years

You want 8 more years of that? I don't.

[FLAprogressive]

21. Doing things like picking Rick Warren is not "polarizing"??????

[MadBadger]

23. Is your issue with bipartisanship, or Rick Warren?

I favor bipartisanship, just not Rich Warren.

[FLAprogressive]

25. Both.

[MadBadger]

32. Well then i'll say it again, you voted for the wrong candidate

To quote Barack and Wolsh in this thread:

"there is not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there is the United States of America."

So I say again, looks like you voted for the wrong guy.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Your screenname is fitting.

[S_E_Fudd]

22. Well then you voted for the wrong guy....

Because that is exactly what Obama promised...

[FLAprogressive]

27. There's a difference between actual "bipartisanship" and appeasing the right.

Traditional bipartisanship is working with the other side towards a common goal.

Pelosi/Reid-style bipartisanship is watering down goals and ideas so much to appease the minority.

[MadBadger]

33. And He'll work with the right when he's in power.

[FLAprogressive]

36. OK....but that doesn't mean he has to give into them.

[gravity]

24. Well you are going have to get used to it

[LaydeeBug]

28. Barack Obama has, FROM DAY ONE, always said he would do this...so you shouldn't be surprised.

If you all wanted a candidate that was going to beat the Republican agenda back into the stone age, you "may" have a "different" definition of "change" than Obama does.

[Danger Mouse]

30. While I think Warren is a poor choice...I agree with Obama's bipartisan efforts.

[FLAprogressive]

35. Clarification: I do not have a problem with traditional bipartisanship, just....

....capitulation "bipartisanship" aka a "Harry Reid Special".

I have no problem with Dems and Repubs working together for a common goal. What I do have a problem with is giving into and relying on the other side to get things done......in the spirit of fake "bipartisanship".

[cboy4]

37. No reaching out to bigots and racists.

K&R