i see that when JFK gets trashed here

[SwampG8r]

his sex life seems to be an issue.apparently the statute of limitations regarding poor personal behaviours must have run out.

so...can we come up with a cute name for his naughty bits ala "the clenis"?

[NYC_SKP]

1. hmmmm.

whatever it is called, it will speak with that inimitable accent and have better taste in women.

:hide:

[SwampG8r]

3. bwahhahahahahahaha

oh my god
im not worthy

[peace frog]

2. Thanks but no thanks

Even when couched in cutesy language, it's character assassination. Not going there.

[SwampG8r]

4. i concur

i am finding the hypocrisy over presidential sex lives tiresome
character assassination is correct
and to go after someone for what their dead father did when they were a tiny child is nausea inducing!
what position will these same people take if or when chelsea clinton decides to run for something?

[karynnj]

5. I don't like it with Clinton

adn it is mostly Clinton advocates that reduce ANY negative comments on Clinton's policies or ethics to being about it. I have never seen anyone else use the word.

[SwampG8r]

13. i have always found it interesting

that as you noted it is his own supporters who named his unit

[karynnj]

15. and they use it to abuse the person they are responding to

in a very offensive way.

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. "Little Jack"?

Dunno.... seems like the obvious choice? :shrug:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. "Jack-in-the-box"?

[Kalyke]

8. Dick in a box

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwbxEfy7fg

[No Elephants]

14. No, that's for when Cheney dies.

[cliffordu]

9. I say we call it the "Haavad Yaaad"

[SwampG8r]

11. nice

double meaning and uses the accent

[WI_DEM]

10. I don't care about his sex life, but to me he has always been overrated as a president

True his term was cut short but he still did serve almost three years. He was, to me, more style than substance. He promised in 1960 that he would end discrimination in housing "with the stroke of a pen" within days of becoming president. But it was almost two years into his term before he did so, after civil rights groups began a campaign to send "Pens to JFK". He was equally slow on civil rights legislation. He was concerned about the southern chairman in congress who would retaliate on the rest of his legislative program by holding it up. He did escalate American troops (called advisors) to Vietnam. It's clear his administration was involved in political assassination: Diem in Vietnam and attempts at Castro. The Bay of Pigs, he inherited, but could have cancelled but didn't. He appointed a foreign policy team that was very hawkish and continued to advise and lead the president to make grave errors in Vietnam even after JFK was killed, the so-called "best and brightest." But he did do some fine things too like the Peace Corp and his handling of the Cuban Missle Crisis adverted war.

[SwampG8r]

and i feel that

these are all valid points for discussion
unlike who went first on marilyn monroe

[peace frog]

16. Had he lived to be re-elected to a second term

JFK would have removed the US from all military involvement in Vietnam (this alone would have sealed his presidency as a success in many minds). He signed en Executive Memo to break up the CIA and place it under the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, so unhappy was he with the agency, and was determined to put an end to its unauthorized activities. I'm convinced he would have championed integration and improved race relations. Well, someone made damn sure these things did not have an opportunity to come about.

[WI_DEM]

17. this is not clear that he would have. Maybe he would have and maybe he wouldn't have.

He would have gotten the same advice from the advisors he appointed that LBJ did. Maybe he would have done differently, but we can't say for sure.

[peace frog]

21. Exactly

We'll never know, because someone made damn sure JFK would not have the chance to cement his presidency as a successful one. Still congratulating themselves over it, too, no doubt.

[karynnj]

18. The reality was that ending disrimination in housing and

starting the effort on the civil rights legislation were both major things he did that made a difference. You may want to look at the impact on the beginning of the Clinton administration caused by immediately trying to allow gays into the military. That and ending housing discrimination were both the right thing to do. But, Clinton paid a huge price for trying and failing to accomplish his full goal at the very beginning of his Presidency.

At Take Back America this year, there was a talk by Taylor Branch (a biographer of MLK), Roger Wilkins, and Jesse Jackson. Roger Wilkins was in the Kennedy administration and he was one of the people working internally on getting legislation. They spoke of the JFK and LBJ years and made the case that it wouldn't have happened without a movement to create a wave of support for it and the support and work of people within the government. LBJ was enormously brave to sign that legislation, but the JFK administration laid a lot of the groundwork.

The assassination of Diem if he knew of it was completely wrong on many levels.

[WI_DEM]

19. You make a good point. He certainly did do more than any other president

up to himself, though I think he miscalculated by not using Johnson more regarding civil rights. Bobby (who hated Johnson, and it was mutual) didn't want Johnson to get any credit and so they left him out of civil rights and other legislative matters where his knowledge could have made a difference.

[MagickMuffin]

23. I guess you don't know how much JFK was involved with the Space Programs

Try doing a google JFK Texas speeches. He gave three before having his head blown off in Dallas.

Houston, San Antonio, and Fort Worth the last place Kennedy spent the night before going to Dallas.

Below I will include one of those speeches from his trip to Texas.

San Antonio speech:

Many Americans make the mistake of assuming that space research has no value here on earth. Nothing could be further from the truth. Just as the wartime development of radar gave us the transistor and all that it made possible, so research in space medicine holds the promise of substantial benefit to those of us who are earthbound. For our effort in space is not, as some have suggested, a competitor for the natural resources that we need to develop the earth, it is a working partner and a co-producer of these resources. And nothing makes this clearer than the fact that medicine in space is going to make our lives healthier, and happier here on earth. I give you three examples.

First, medical space research may open up new understanding of man's relation to his environment. Examination of the astronauts' physical and mental and emotional reactions can teach us more about the differences between normal and abnormal, about the causes and effects of disorientation, in metabolism which could result in extending the life span. When you study effects on our astronauts of exhaust gases which can contaminate their environment, and seek ways to alter these gases so to reduce their toxicity, you are working on problems similar to those we face in our great urban centers which themselves are being corrupted by gases and which must be cleared.

Second, medical space research may revolutionize the technology and the techniques of modern medicine. What ever new devices are created, for example, to monitor our astronauts--to measure their heart activity, their breathing, their brain waves, and their eye motions at great distances and under difficult conditions, will also represent a major advance in general medical instrumentation. Heart patients may even be able to wear a light monitor which will sound a warning if their activity exceeds certain limits. An instrument recently developed to record automatically the impact of acceleration upon an astronaut's eyes, will also be of help to small children who are suffering miserably from eye defects, but are unable to describe their impairment. And also by the use of instruments similar to those used in Project MERCURY, this nation's private as well as public nursing services are being improved, enabling one nurse now to give more critically ill patients greater attention than they ever could in the past.

Third, medical space research may lead to new safeguards against hazards common to many environments. Specifically, our astronauts will need fundamentally new devices to protect them from the ill effects of radiation, which can have a profound influence upon medicine and man's relation to our present environment. Here at this Center we have the laboratories, the talent, the resources to give new impetus to vital research in the life sciences. I am not suggesting that the entire space program is justified alone by what is done in medicine.

The space program stands on its own as a contribution to national strength. And last Saturday at Cape Canaveral I saw our new Saturn C-1 rocket booster which, with its payload when it rises in December of this year, will be for the first time the largest booster in the world carrying into space the largest payload that any country in the world has ever sent into space. That's what I consider.

I think the United States should be a leader. A country as rich and powerful as this, which bears so many burdens and responsibilities, which has so many opportunities, should be second to none. And in December, while I do not regard our mastery of space as anywhere near complete, while I recognize that there are still areas where we are behind, at least in one area--in the size of the booster--this year I hope the United States will be ahead. I'm for it. We have a long way to go; many weeks, and months and years of long tedious work lie ahead. There will be setbacks and frustrations and disappointments.

There will be, as there always are, pressures in this country to do less in this area as in so many others, and temptations to do something else that is perhaps easier. But this research here must go on, this space effort must go on, the conquest of space must and will go ahead. That much we know--that much we can say with confidence and conviction. Frank O'Connor, the Irish writer, tells in one of his books how, as a boy, he and his friends would make their way across the countryside, and when they came to an orchard wall that seemed too high, and too doubtful to try, and too difficult to permit their voyage to continue, they took off their hats and tossed them over the wall--and then they had no choice but to follow them. This nation has tossed its cap over the wall of space--and we have no choice but to follow it. Whatever the difficulties, they will be overcome; whatever the hazards, they must be guarded against. With the vital help of this Aerospace Medical Center, with the help of all those who labor in the space endeavor, with the help and support of all Americans, we will climb this wall with safety and with speed--and we shall then explore the wonders on the other side.

[S_E_Fudd]

12. How about ... "His 'torch' has been passed"

eom

[Bucky]

20. Either "Cuban Missile" or...

"Vigah"

[McCamy Taylor]

22. JFK the martyr was more effective than as president. LBJ got a lot done for JFK's memory

things like Medicare and the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act that probably would never have passed if Congress was being asked to do them by the living JFK. Those laws were ahead of their time. It was difficult for people in Congress to say no to LBJ, Humphrey and the memory of a martyred president.