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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:29 AM
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I dislike political dynasties & I back Caroline Kennedy for Senate
There are two related arguments used against her; that she seeks the office without sufficient experience based on the power of her family connections. In my ideal universe name recognition and genealogy would not factor into voter decisions in a Democracy. In my ideal universe voters thoroughly educate themselves about all of the qualified candidates and all of their positions on important issues and then cast their votes accordingly. I will add that in my ideal universe Star Trek transporters are a safe and common mode of transportation.

I am in a very small minority of voters for whom someone running with a famous political family name, all things being equal, is a reason to vote AGAINST that person, not for him or her. But that isn't how the majority of voters think, and all things are NEVER equal. I was proud to vote for Al Gore Junior for President in 2000 knowing full well that he virtually certainly never would have gotten to that ballot had his father, Al Gore Senior, not been a prominent and popular United States Senator.

Although I am predisposed to hold it against Caroline that she comes to us via a prominent political family, not all prominent political families are equal either, and by that I don't mean that some names carry more clout than others (which obviously they do). I am talking about good old family values; specific family values not generic moral catchall buzz words. Some families develop cultures all their own, and tend to pass that culture forward through generations. Sometimes it revolves around the exercise of power, sometimes around the appreciation of music, sometimes around the accumulation of money, and sometimes around the nobility of public service. A lot of evidence accumulated over numerous decades and several generations seems to indicate that the Kennedy clan gravitates toward the latter of those examples. And that makes for a nice match of family values and political career aspirations.

In my opinion Caroline Kennedy being the daughter of JFK in the context of this nation's history and her family tradition is a highly relevant personal experience for someone seeking the office of United States Senator. It isn't an abstraction, Caroline has had a lifetime of personal experiences tempered by that one over arching reality. She knows much already about how to operate in the rarefied atmosphere of high level national politics. In most fields that type of familiarity would be considered quite relevant in an applicant.

Where is Caroline Kennedy's resume weak? She doesn't have a long and impressive paid work history. That's one thing. But the types of things that she has concerned herself with, had they instead been high profile paid positions, would be viewed quite favorably by most Democrats in the electorate as qualifying for public office. What was Paul Wellstone before he was elected to the U.S. Senate? He was a university professor. I dare say Caroline Kennedy could teach most of us a thing or two about American politics, culture, and public institutions. Caroline Kennedy was born to fame and wealth. She sought ways to serve, not ways to rise to personal prominence and highly paid employment.

And of course Caroline Kennedy has never run for public office before. Neither did Dwight Eisenhower before running for President. Neither did John Edwards before running for U.S. Senate, or Jon Corzine before he too became a Senator. Ronald Reagan was an actor who ran for Governor and seemingly did well enough at that for Americans to reward him with the Presidency. Every Republican incumbent in the nation, by definition, has been elected to a public office, and that sure as hell doesn't prove their value as public servants.

As a New Yorker, I'll gladly take my chances with a Caroline Kennedy.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:37 AM
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1. Kennedy is as qualified as Clinton was in 2000. She will be a great asset to NY.
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 11:47 AM by AtomicKitten
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:40 AM
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2. The "lacks experience" argument is bullshit...
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 11:44 AM by Dennis Donovan
So is the "political dynasty" argument.

What "experience" should one have for the completely unique job of US Senator?

And why should her name mean ANYTHING? We just elected a man as POTUS who has an odd name, when compared to previous POTUS's.

Governor Paterson has a constitutional right to name whomever he sees fit to the Senate seat. If NYers don't like it, they can elect someone else in 2010.

:shrug:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 04:07 PM
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15. excellent OP. I wish we had someone as fine as Caroline repping us.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:40 AM
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3. You nailed it. Thank you so much, Tom, for a great OP. There's
another thing, too. Somebody will be appointed. Nobody can run for this seat. I've seen folks say on this board that if Caroline is appointed it is contrary to democracy. But democracy is based on the rules set out in the constitutions of the states. Those constitutions were voted on and passed by the people's representatives. In New York, the governor gets to appoint someone to fill that seat. Those are the rules. Therefore, it is not contrary to democracy.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:43 AM
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4. That was a great read.
Thanks.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:47 AM
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5. To me it's the person..I don't care
who they are. They gotta be up for job and I feel Caroline Kennedy would make an amazing Senator for us in New York.

And, of course, it will be long process and a lot of hard work for her and her supporters but I know I'll help all I can.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:48 AM
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6. Agree completely. Good post.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:48 AM
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7. Then why did you choose to back Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in the Primaries?
if you believe you are "in a very small minority of voters for whom someone running with a famous political family name, all things being equal, is a reason to vote AGAINST that person, not for him or her"?

I support Caroline Kennedy for Senator of my state partly because I think she'll be fine for the job and partly because of her last name. I'd be fooling no one if I said any differently, especially not myself.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:59 AM
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9. Obama wasn't my last choice, and Hillary wasn't my first
You may remember that I backed Jonathan Tasini over Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate in an attempt to send her a message that it would not be clear sailing for her if she ran for President. And obviously it wasn't. But given the viable choices I was left with by late December 2007 I backed Hillary Clinton, in part because she had a deeper track record (in my opinion) compared to Barack Obama. In other words I attempted to compare real people, not family names. I always said at the time that I thought it possible that Obama could prove to be a great President(and I still do) AND I also said that I preferred Hillary to Bill when it came to Clintons. I thought then (and I still do) that Hillary Clinton had formidable big league talents. So it was another case of me ultimately backing someone dispite the family name, not because of it.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 12:26 PM
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10. Cool
Obama wasn't my last choice, and Hillary wasn't my first


That could be said for lots of us, I'm sure. In my own case, I chose to back Hillary over Obama in the Primaries mostly because she announced her candidacy first, and at the time I wasn't 100% sure if Obama was going to jump in. Plus, I was always defending Hillary prior to that anyway. My official first choice has always been Dennis Kucinich, althoug we know how much of a chance he always stands, unfortunately. Having said that, if Obama and Hillary had announced at the same exact time, I'm not sure which of the two of them I would have voted for in the Primaries. I liked them both and still do. I was one of the few people back in 2006 pushing for Obama to run for President.

Sorry if I took your thread off topic a little bit, Tom.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 01:12 PM
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11. Off topic twists and turns are part of the fun of DU.
(except when they get nasty}. It was a good side discussion :)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 11:53 AM
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8. Good leadership is thin pickins today, if she's smart, competent, impassioned with good ideas then I
...support her no matter what her last name is.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 02:12 PM
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12. As a NYer, I'd prefer Paterson name someone who has been active in NY politics
and public service. If Kennedy wants to enter electtoral politics, she can run for City Council.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 02:49 PM
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13. Well said!
I agree completely. I would add that we need non-professional politicians in the Senate and Congress. It is absolutely essential and it is a PLUS she hasn't served in elective office but has political experience.

You can't get change without new faces.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 03:04 PM
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14. Let me add one more point to your excellent essay

The situation in which Caroline is making her move to politics is instructive about her intentions as well. She avoided politics. While she is a person of obvious intelligence and grace she never sought to capitalize on the assets of her name or her martyred father.

That she is now interested in moving to the public stage, something that is obviously uncomfortable for her, attests to her statements that the Obama presidency is an opportunity for renewed activism and volunteerism that found its strongest voice in her father and her uncles, including Sargent Shriver.

In that context Caroline's interest in the seat is not similar to the hand me down syndrome that many political families have engaged in.

Caroline's move to politics is a move away from personal comfort and to public service. It is a hopeful harbinger for the country.
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