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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:25 PM
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Wolf Blitzer's impossibly stupid Bush whoring
I got this from media matters.

"WOLFSON: When he was in the Oval Office this past year being interviewed by Tim Russert, he said, 'I did my duty.' We know that he didn't show up for months at a time, we know that he didn't take his physical, and we know that he was grounded --

BLITZER : We also know he got an honorable discharge.

WOLFSON: Is that doing his duty, Wolf? Is --

BLITZER : He got an honorable discharge.

WOLFSON: Is being grounded doing his duty?

BLITZER: If he wouldn't have done his duty, would he have gotten an honorable discharge?"

He got an honorable discharge! Well, does that answer the question of preferential treatment that led to that honorable discharge?

Imagine if Blitzer, when confronted with the shitboat lies, had simply said - "Kerry got an honorable discharge and was officially awarded his medals - doesn't that prove he served honorably?"
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:29 PM
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1. I think you should e-mail Blitzer with this
It's straightforward evidence of his bias, based on fact. I really think he needs to know he isn't fooling anyone.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:29 PM
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2. How did Duh get an honorable discharge?
How did Duh get an honorable discharge when he obviously didn't fulfill his duty requirements? Isn't that what Leslie should be asking?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:32 PM
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5. The DC Sniper got an honorable discharge from the Nat'l Guard
And he had even served time in the brig for striking an officer, theft and going AWOL.

So it doesn't sound like an honorable discharge is proof of much.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:33 PM
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6. Well, you see it helps to have money and "special friends"
And George AWOL Bush is a "special case" -- on that we can all agree.

Pontifex Maximus Rex Americanum
The Priest King of America.

"Don't change horsemen in the middle of an Apocalypse." - DIPS HIt
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:30 PM
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3. The hypocrisy is astounding -questioning Kerry's medals and service
Amazing how Blitzer and RWingers want to close the book on Bushco's service as being irrelevant but condone and promote trashing Kerry's record despite his medals with extensive official documentation backing up his service accomplishments.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:32 PM
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4. Well, you have to realize it depends on the meaning of "duty"
If Bush did his "duty", then it shows that the cushy TANG duty was even cushier than we thought--in other words, thanks to his privilege, this country asked very little of Bush and that's exactly what he gave. Very little. His "duty" was as onerous as not showing up.

I guess if you want someone who gave the bare minimum he could get away with, in a system tilted to save rich boys like himself, then you like Bush.

If you want someone who didn't give as little as he could get away with, if you want someone who volunteered for combat and then acted above and beyond the call in combat, then vote for Kerry.

Me, I don't like a president who figures out what he can get away with, and does no more than that.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:34 PM
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7. yep - perfect distinction
right on - bravo!
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:53 PM
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13. Distinctions for me...
  • Kerry volunteered not just for active duty during Vietnam, but for duty on the dangerous Swift Boats in the rivers of Vietnam.

  • It is my opinion, speaking from the perspective of one who was never in the military, that a President who has been in combat will likely have more empathy for the foot soldiers and will be less likely to needlessly risk their lives. (Clinton had innate empathy, and Bush appears to be wholly without it.)

  • It was Kerry who devised the "turn the boats and attack" strategy, which likely saved many lives -- including that of John O'Neill who arrived later in Vietnam. Along with other stories related, this is sufficient info for me to discount the Swift stories as politically motivated.

  • Kerry wasn't a drunk until he was 40. :) (e.g. prosecutor, BCCI, work w/ McCain in rebuilding relations with Vietnam)



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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:39 PM
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8. bush Pulled Strings To Enter Guard & To Constantly Cover His Ass
low test score, not showing up, refusing physical.

Why wouldn't same officers object to giving him honorable discharge?

Whatever motivated them to help little bush along from the beginning didn't evaporate at the end.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:41 PM
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9. the question: did he earn the honorable discharge
:)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:45 PM
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10. Volf Blitzer has his RW talking points down pat.
CNN has become pathetic and WE ALL KNOW IT...YOU MUST STOP WATCHING. IT WILL ONLY PISS YOU OFF!!!!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:48 PM
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11. have you seen his honorable discharge, wolfie?
Tim McVey, the OK City bomber, got an honorable discharge also, so what does that proof? Does that mean none of this other stuff happened or that it doesn't matter that it happened?
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:52 PM
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12. I think you got it wrong, I Believe Bush said:
"I did a doody." Hence the confusion.
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:56 PM
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15. Thanks, kanrok.
I truly needed that. :D
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canuckybee Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:55 PM
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14. I hesitate to tell this story because it involves someone close
but...I know it to be true...and if I know of such things, others must know also, or know how to find out.....

I personally know someone who was in the navy in the early 70s. He joined up very young, with his parents' signature, to get away from home. He spent a lot of his time in the navy stoned. ( and much of it in the brig ) He was a repeat offender and it was finally determined the navy was not the place for him. He was called in and told he was being sent home with an honorable discharge " for the convenience of the navy".

It seems unlikely this is an isolated case. There have to be other "honorable" discharges that would not hold up to scrutiny.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:57 PM
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16. I can't believe what Mr. Bluster said this morning
Wolf Bluster had Senator Pat Roberts and Bob Graham on his show. He asked Pat Roberts about the detonation of some kind of a bomb in North Korea recently and whether they were doing it because it meant that the North Koreans wanted Bush to lose the election.

Why would that necessarily mean they want Bush to lose? Couldn't that just as soon mean they want him to win? Wouldn't that make more sense, in fact, since terrorism and fear thereof is Bush's only issue? Why would Blitzkreiger try to plant into people's minds that a belligerant North Korea prefers John Kerry and dislikes George Bush in a US election? That's one of the most offensive things I've heard anyone suggest about John Kerry (that North Korea prefers him to Bush).

Mr. Bluster has lost all appearance of even-handedness and I'm convinved he's as big a Neocon as Cheney, Rumpsmell, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, et al.
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