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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:22 AM
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If North Carolina can go blue than Georgia can.
The south is becoming more blue every election. I live in NC and did not think Obama had that great of a chance here but he won. Not only did he win but we kicked liddys ass to the road and elected our first female Gov. Don't give up on Georgia and the south we are getting there.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:24 AM
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1. You're right....Hopefully Georgia will see the light...I can't believe
anybody would vote for that saxby asshole...he's an industrial sized douche bag!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:31 AM
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2. I live in Ga. and it's been very difficult to fine ANY Dems here!
We moved here in 2000 and I can't tell you how excited I was when I read about the Dean meetups in 2004! I actually met some GREAT people, but NONE are my neighbors! I swear, if you you don't live in Atlanta or maybe Athens, NOBODY you meet is even a rational Pub let alone borderline Dem!

I'm really depressed tonight because idiot Saxby will be still hanging around DC and causing trouble! I tried everyting I knew to get the few Dems out to vote in this runoff, and I failed.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:36 AM
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3. ...
:hug:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 12:38 AM
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4. I just moved to Red Nebraska from Blue Michigan so I know how
you feel. These people are off on another planet...they vote republican and have no reason for it...it's just what they do.

Don't say you failed! They failed themselves and shouldn't complain when things don't go as planned if they didn't bother to vote. Living in Red states is the pits sometimes!
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:01 AM
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6. IT HAS TO DO WITH A FAILED EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:25 AM
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12. You are right. and that is no accident.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:16 AM
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10. You're right on the no reason thing. The few people I can ask

WHY they voted for and still approve of Shrub never have a reason. I've heard "because I like him", "he's doing his best", "dems are against everything I'm for". God forbid you ask for an example!

I have convinced a few people, but VERY FEW!

I honestly think I have to give great thanks to the blacks and hispanicks for electing Obama, and I'm ashamed of my own european heritage for being flat out stupid!
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:20 AM
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11. LOL!!! No lots of whites voted for Obama just not in the places
where we live! I'm black in this small Nebraska town so you know I couldn't say jack around election time because I didn't trust my own reaction if anybody said something stupid! One lady did ask me what I thought about Sarah and I said "she's a complete idiot." Needless to say she never said another word to me.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:14 AM
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19. IMO Sarah shoved women in politics back about 600 years!
I was really torn between Hillary & Barack in the primary. I was afraid what BS would surface if Hillary was our nominee, but I was afraid Barack was too nice to withstand the feroucious attacks from the Pubs. I was actually standing in front of the voting machine trying to make a decision. I finally decided to vote for Barack.

Sarah as the choice looked to me like the Pubs thought if they picked a woman, they'd get all the women to vote for them! At the very least, they thought they'd get Hillary's supporters. I WAS INSULTED! The woman's an idiot! She caused me to lose my respect for Alaskan voters! They actually support her by 80%??? Are they all brain frozen? She couldn't hold a candle beside Hillary if the candle were lit and there was a strong wind!
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:00 AM
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5. IT IS TIME FOR A SHADOW REPUBLICAN OPERATION
Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 01:03 AM by YEBBA
CONTINUALLY ATTACK AND EXPOSE THE SLIME THET IS THE REPUB POWER STRUCTURE.

HAPPY TO BE REC FIVE
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:49 AM
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18. Visit Plains, and I bet you'll find at least one. n/m
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Cattledog Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:23 AM
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22. Fellow Steeler fan!
Here in Dekalb County we went 75%- 24% for Martin! I grew up in PGH Mt Washington. It's true though that most of the rural part of the state is living in segregation mode.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:03 AM
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7. Sadly, I think Texas is closer than the more recent "blue state" status of Georgia
Fulton County needs help.

:-)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:03 AM
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8. It's my understanding that Martin ran AWAY from Obama during the GE. GA is in reach just like TX...
...and I think a sKrong case can be made for that if there are 1 or 2 districts where dems would get their messages across one of them being Tarrant county Texas which is one of the largest Urban areas STILL voting reThug.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:05 AM
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9. Tarrant County include some "Highland Park-West" Communities
Not worried about Fort Worth.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:30 AM
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13. And don't forget that Jimmy Carter came from Georgia... :-)
:patriot:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:35 AM
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14. It's only a matter of time. How's the cost of living there?
Because, if it's affordable, business will come there, and so will the people. I live in CA, and lots of Californians are moving east and turning formerly red states blue. Georgia, you are in our sights!!!

Say hi to Mike Malloy for me, will ya?
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:12 AM
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27. ha ha, I moved to GA from CA a few years ago!
Every time one of my neighbors finds out where I'm from, they send some church people over to save me from the devil of Hollywood.

I put up my Obama signs and my Martin signs and leave my tofu wrappers on the curb just so they can see that there is another way. Actually, the two states whose people move here the most are CA and Michigan.

PURPLE GA will turn blue soon. Obama won many counties here-- southeastern coastal counties, southwestern counties, around Augusta and of course Atlanta that I recall.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:57 AM
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15. I think Georgia is lacking the young, white liberals moving there like in NC and VA
NC and VA have great university systems and have high tech industries, along with vibrant medical and banking industries. Georgia, though doing quite well economically, isn't drawing the movement of young people from the north like NC and VA. Atlanta is a huge draw for African-Americans though. Many African-Americans move to Atlanta from other states, but it's not enough to change the electorate.

I personally know of New Yorkers that have retired to Virginia. My friend from Connecticut is living in N.C. now. Their universities and industries are very attractive to young professionals. That's why they are leaning more blue each year. I think it'll be a while before we can count on Georgia. Virginia and N. Carolina didn't happen overnight, but I'm optimistic. Maybe in 8 years, GA will be a certifiable blue state!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:10 AM
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16. I think the problem is that Georgia only went red recently
Georgia along with Louisiana were the two holdout southern states that still sent Democrats to the US Senate and the Governor's mansion consistently during the 1990's and the early 2000's. Now we're seeing that trend being reversed.

Virginia and North Carolina, on the other hand, have a history of electing Republicans since the 1970's and my suspicion is that part of the reason they are going blue now is that they aren't very fond of what they got.

Georgia and Louisiana need to give their elected Republicans a decade or so to really get in there and fuck things up. They will get tired of it eventually.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 02:11 AM
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17. It's the touchscreens. They MUST go. n/t
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 03:21 AM
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20. bingo!!!
...and tell rural georgia that the civil war ended 143 years ago!
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 05:02 AM
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21. The only thing this recent run-off showed is that if the machines can be rigged
or hacked or patched or fraudulently programmed without the possibility of detection, they will be. Why wouldn't they be?

Whether the machines were fraudulently programmed or not, by how much, by whom, whether other forms of cheating were more important in rigging the election than machine manipulation or just plain malfunction, whether the alleged vote totals are approximately correct, will never be known, can never be known, as long as the vote takes place wholly in cyberspace, which it does. In GA, AL, and for the most part in TX, it's a wholly faith-based election system.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:06 AM
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23. I don't know...NC has that educated liberal voting block in Durham
Raleigh-area. GA doesn't have that, does it?. Isn't it basically blue Atlanta and the rest
of the state is exactly like Alabama - very rural, very uneducated, very
conservative.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:21 AM
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28. Savannah and a few others
Savannah has SCAD -- the art college-- and it votes blue. But yes, a lot of rural areas voting red, but then you see that in places like California too.

I'd seriously look at the voting machines here, number one, because we know from GOP op Spoonamore that Chambliss stole the first election was Deibold machines that had a vote switching device put on them AFTER they were certified. Luckily a whistle blower from the SOS office turned them in and Spoonamore determined that they were tampered with. Thing is, they can get away with it here because people can buy it.

Also, people seem to have blanked on what went on in GA before the GE. Our SOS purged 200,000 newly registered voters after we made HISTORY by registering 400,000 new Democratic voters in one year! Plus the 100,000 from the year before. So, when you used those numbers, GA looked like it could or would go blue if all of those people voted. After all, Obama lost by 200,000 here. Yeah, see what I mean?

WE had voting disenfranchisement issues APELNTY. Obama lawyers were busy busy busy. We had early votes that were never counted. We had people not being allowed to vote. We had LONG 8 hour lines. We had one machine in AA/Dem areas. The list goes on-- but you can't ignore those things and say GA is red forget it. That's what the GOP wants you to think. But I was here, working every day on the campaign, hearing the issues, dealing with voters who voted but their vote never showed up, etc.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 06:29 AM
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24. No it can't. Not for a long while.
Religion. As big in GA as it is anywhere. As long as the GOP is the party of religious Christians, the GOP will have GA in it's pocket.

Racism. As big in GA as it is anywhere. As long as the GOP is an all white party with a token here or there, the GOP has GA.

Rural population. Georgia really only has one real city and one college town. Most of the population is spread out and stuck in their ways.


That bitchy Republican lady had a point when she talked about "Real Virgina". Virgina and NC are much different now than they were 10-15 years ago. Georgia is about the same.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 07:37 AM
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25. First, you have to have a viable candidate.
It has to be someone who makes people want to get out and vote for them for reasons other than the "D" after their name. That wasn't the case in Georgia.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:40 AM
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26. NC's demographics have been changing
A lot of Yankees have moved there, either to work in the Research Triangle area or to retire.
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:32 AM
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29. I think NC has more northern transplants
than GA does. Correct me if I'm wrong though cause I'm just a northerner. However I know of several northerners who have moved to NC since 2004 and that might have helped paint it blue :-)

I don't know of many northerners who have moved to GA.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 01:20 PM
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30. More urban and suburban definitely means bluer
How long do you think that will take?
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