Kerry is a Bush enabler

[scaredamurikan]

By voting to authorize the use of force against Iraq, he enabled Bush to go to war.

There is a reason the Green Party is growing.

[liberalnurse]

1. Oh, this will get a lot of support

on a DEMOCRATIC BOARD!

Get Out Of Here.....

[scaredamurikan]

5. The truth hurts?

Must.

[liberalnurse]

8. You can't handle the truth!

[scaredamurikan]

10. That Kerry supports the war in Iraq

No I can't.

[liberalnurse]

20. You don't have the facts......

I'm not going to waste my time with trying to educate wormwood.

[ET Awful]

2. Mmmmhmmm, and the majority of Mass. voters are Bush enablers

because they voted for Kerry.

Get a life.

[Skip Intro]

3. yaaawwwwn

[Droopy]

4. Your going to be real popular here. n/t

[scaredamurikan]

9. Thanks for the heads up

n/t

[xray s]

6. Quick ma! There's another one!

Git my shootin' iron! The varmints are in the barn agin'!

[Liberal Veteran]

7. Wah!!!!! Cheney me!

:)

[Skip Intro]

11. NADER is a bush enabler

[xray s]

12. Yep! Bush is sure getting his moneys worth

[liberalnurse]

15. You got that right.

Nader sucks off the nipple from the republican bosom.

[scaredamurikan]

18. How can you be a progressive Ohio Democrat and support a man who

supports the Oil Occupation In Iraq???

[liberalnurse]

28. I serve at the pleasure of the next

President of the United State, John Kerry. I serve with dignity, honor and privilege.

You need to read this board instead of attack it....You do not have your facts!


I fight so you can be stupid.....oh well.

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[malatesta1137]

57. hmmm the French

Freeper alert

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[w13rd0]

37. Actually, Nader isn't on the Green ticket this year...

...he's on the "WHAAA! WHAAA!" ticket. Heck, he rejected half of the Green Party platform when he "ran" in 2000. Oh, and to the original posters "point"...pfffft.

[Old and In the Way]

13. You're about 6 months late on this flamebait, bucko.

Have any other pearls of wisdom you want to share with us?

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[DaveinMD]

16. you are

the only bush enabler by voting for someone who cannot win, thereby allowing Bush to win. Great job.

[Liberal Veteran]

17. Oh, preach to us Mr. More Liberal Than Thou!

:eyes:

[RobertSeattle]

21. Arrogrance and Ignorance are Bush Enablers

[scaredamurikan]

22. Well I guess we will have more illegal wars

No wonder people hate the US.

Both major candidates come out in support of illegal wars.

[Liberal Veteran]

24. Welcome to DU, scareamurikan!!!!

Don't get too comfortable.

[scaredamurikan]

27. I am just trying to make a point

Please correct me if Kerry has changed in his support to the war

Thanks

[Liberal Veteran]

33. Um, Kerry didn't actually say he supported the war...

You are the victim of unnuanced thinking which permeates politics these days.

[scaredamurikan]

34. Then why did he vote to authorize use of force??

n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

43. Because he was misled by Bush to believe diplomacy was going to be used.

He has made it very clear that while he feels that putting some teeth behind the renewal of inspections was a good idea, he would have done things very differently where Iraq was concerned, starting with allowing the inspections to go forward.

Now don't come here and pretend you know more than we do. We discussed this at legnth months and weeks ago and you are simple making an ass of yourself by regurgitating points that you don't seem to have a grasp of.

[scaredamurikan]

46. If he allowed himself to be misled by a stupid cowboy..

why should he be prez?

Tell me.

[Liberal Veteran]

54. You only have two choices at this point in the game.

Choose wisely or suffer the consequences of your vote.

Let me ask you this: Do you think allowing Bush to have another 4 years is going to help the prospects of peace in the world?

[scaredamurikan]

59. No but

I'm not sure if 4 years of Kerry will either.

[Liberal Veteran]

71. Then perhaps you would do well to educate yourself and ask questions....

...instead of jumping to conclusions.


You know damn well what four more years of Bush means.

And keep in mind, Kerry is being attacked because WAS PART OF the peace movement in Vietnam.

I think that speaks volumes that he would not put innocent lives at risk for no good reason.

[Andy_Stephenson]

83. OK Bullshit!

Kerry more than anyone should have known Bush would take the power and run with it. The...Kerry was duped meme does not work.

[Droopy]

44. This is what I've heard

Kerry voted to authorize use of force as a last resort. He felt Bush needed the threat of force to get the weapons inspectors back into Iraq. And it was working but Bush decided to call off the inspections and go to war anyway. Kerry was lied to. He believed that Bush would only go to war if necessary. That's what he's said in a nut shell. The argument against that is, why did Kerry believe Bush?

[shraby]

53. He believed Bush because people

are supposed to be able to believe their president. I think most of us are older and wiser now.

[latebloomer]

55. That IS the issue

WHY did he believe Bush? While 30 million people took to the streets, convinced that Bush was going to war come hell or high water. While thousands of his constituents barraged his phone lines begging him not to vote yes. While every person who was half awake and had access to the internet knew Bush was a lying, oil grabbing warmongering sack of shit-- he BELIEVED him? That is more than a little hard to swallow.

The question is not whether he believed him, but that knowing what he knew, why he chose to enable him. And still to this day continues to say that knowing it was all a crock, he would VOTE THE SAME WAY!!

[Kipepeo]

252. This continues to bother me...

That we saw the largest global peace protests in the history of the world. That 30 million people didn't "fall for it" and yet now I sometimes feel as if everyone has forgotten that so many of us were against the war and knew there were no WMD from the beginning. The media tried to ignore us then and now it seems they can't remember we were ever there. It pisses me off to no end that while the people were taking to the streets in opposition to the nonsense war, our congressmen were selling us out.

HOWEVER (and that's a big however): At this point I really don't give a shit that Kerry voted to give the Dumbya authority (authority that he mismanaged). The only "Bush enabler" is anyone who doesn't vote KERRY on Nov. 2nd.

You (the original poster) are bullshitting yourself if you say there is no difference between the 2 of them.

And finally, just how is the green party growing? Most of my green friends are voting Kerry this time around. The world has seen what 4 years of the Bush administration looks like and will fight like hell to avoid 4 more.

[LoZoccolo]

69. Without the resolution, the inspections were meaningless.

Go find out why before you come back here and post another post and embarass yourself.

[Andy_Stephenson]

102. It is funny to watch fellow Democrats spin

the resolution. Sheez, the righteous indignation on this board at the time of the vote was palpable. Now we excuse it and spin it. Sorry I wont fall into that trap.

[Droopy]

112. Do you believe Kerry, GBnC?

That he was fooled by Bush? If not, what do you believe his reasoning was for going to war with Iraq? This is an issue that I struggle with. I was a Kucinich supporter during the primaries so you know where I'm coming from.

[Andy_Stephenson]

120. No...I do not believe Kerry

I have tried...but the carnage has made it impossible for me.

[LoZoccolo]

151. I supported the resolution at the time.

I am not spinning or excusing anything.

[Andy_Stephenson]

155. Oh! Now I understand...

Have you signed up for the military yet? Here is a link to the forms.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/blenlistmentcontract.htm

Unless your willing to go...don't be so quick to send others.

[LoZoccolo]

168. Another trite saying that makes no sense.

Can't run a country on 'em.

Plus I have a heart condition that would prevent me from serving. Bravo on making fun of a sick person to not even prove a point.

[Andy_Stephenson]

173. Boy are you misguided...

I simply asked if you had volunteered to go yet.

Since you are so gungho for war...

[LoZoccolo]

I am not gung-ho for war.

I cannot take you seriously when you say shit like that. I just have no reason to change my mind when you do that.

[Andy_Stephenson]

190. Your words not mine

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=794372&mesg_id=794779&page=

[LoZoccolo]

198. That's just stupid.

I was being sarcastic.

Tonight I am much firmer in my convictions, now having had them tested, and finding that the opposing view is made out of thin cardboard. I have given you several chances to make sense and all I get is sloganeering, bizarre accusations, and deliberate misinterpretation of my opinion. There is just nothing to be afraid of from the other side.

[LoZoccolo]

201. And everyone else sees that too, by the way.

You may have actually succeeded in turning some anti-IWR people the other way.

[LoZoccolo]

172. It floors me how illogical this is.

So I support the resolution because I think we're gonna go through the process and only invade if we find weapons of mass destruction. So if we find weapons of mass destruction we can't do anything about it unless everyone who supports it signs up for the military.

Ridiculous.

[Andy_Stephenson]

179. Might want to reread the resolution

Where is the process? I am loathe to find it.


What is glaringly apparent is this:

"SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq. "

[peacetalksforall]

65. You're absolutely right, but you're late - that subject has been talked

about endlessly. I seethe at what Kerry, Daschle, Clinton, Shirmer and the rest of them did and I honor and adore those who voted NO.

Green Party people need to find their own way when it comes to a presidential candidate, but they are doing other things right by starting to be as equally interested in local elections - and they did not support the phoney, Nader, this time.

This give me my opportunity to repeat my tribute -

Wellstone

First vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 1
Last vote in the Senate - against Iraq War 2

Good job, Paul. Life lived well.

And now we're in a position of having no choice and its time to get Bush out and to recognize historical content. Though I seethe and will never forgive those Representatives and Senators who voted yes, there is a kernel of truth to the fact that many people in this country were carried away with the patriotism thing and the lies. If you had been on DU, you would have known that the people here saw through the lies because of their interest in analyzing and gut knowledge. The masses are ignorant and they are the ones who deserve part of the blame. The media should be held on display in all the city centers and made to watch the killing films and their own lies for months on end.

I will never forgive. Democrat representatives will have to prove that they deserve their positions by showing that they will not support the military-corporate-banking-born again-NRA-constitution thieves from this point on. They have to choose sides - the people or the imperialists.

Two parties are wrong. We and our parents set ourselve up for this.

What counts now is to continue to learn the truth about the way we are run and not let 'them' do us and the world.

[Nite Owl]

19. A vote for the Greens is

a vote for Bush*. How much more enabling can you get?

[sfecap]

23. Nader is a republican enabler...

No, even worse he's an asshole and a republican enabler.

[Andy_Stephenson]

61. Nader is not running as the Green candidate.

David Cobb is.

[mitchum]

25. And some people are dumbasses

[XanaDUer]

35. Lol!

eom.

[TOhioLiberal]

26. All I have to say is...

[XanaDUer]

29. I like noodles!

Eom.

[JohnKleeb]

31. I do too!

mmmmmm lo mein.

[scaredamurikan]

32. Ramen?

n/t

[Skip Intro]

36. Your logic implodes

You attack Kerry for enabling bush even though he's the only person who has a shot of ending bush's reign of terror.

Your attack enables bush, therefore you enable bush.

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41. Who's attacking Israel?

[scaredamurikan]

45. Iran could

And then we would be at war again.

Fuck.

[Skip Intro]

47. So your point is - no difference between bush and Kerry?

[scaredamurikan]

48. On going to and starting wars... no difference

n/t

[Skip Intro]

49. So you think Kerry would have invaded Iraq?

[scaredamurikan]

50. YES!

He supported "Desert Fox" in 1998 and widely believed Saddam was an imminent threat.

[Skip Intro]

56. And it matters not to you then, whether bush wins or Kerry wins?

on edit - it will be one of the two.

[scaredamurikan]

60. No

I realize to some people the environment or reproductive rights matter most

but to me it's all about dismantling our military and not going to war.

[Skip Intro]

67. "dismantling our military" - ?

please elaborate

[scaredamurikan]

70. Abolishing it totally

Maybe helping contribute to a UN Peacekeeping force but that is it.

[roseBudd]

92. dream on

Nader has the luxury of never seriuously running for anything

[Skip Intro]

100. Now THERE'S a winning position for Kerry

Lordy.

[Andy_Stephenson]

76. Shrink it to self defence size perhaps...

We don't need to be the worlds policeman.

Unless you feel the need for Empire.

I don't see a need to spread the American Empire.

[LoZoccolo]

81. Now that's ridiculous.

Tell that to people in any fucked-up dictatorship with human rights abuses.

Any reply to this with the word "imperial" or "empire" in it loses.

[scaredamurikan]

84. What would you do?

I think a military no bigger than Canada's is in order.

And only for UN peacekeeping.

[LoZoccolo]

85. What would I do about what?

I would not do what you would do, that's what I'd do.

[Andy_Stephenson]

86. Ummm sweep around your own doorstep

before you sweep others. We have a "fucked-up dictatorship with human rights abuses."

Just in case you hadn't noticed.

[LoZoccolo]

87. That makes no sense and is just a trite saying.

Go read history from about 1933 to about 1953 and you'll find quite a bit about why we have interventionist policies; they're there to save lives.

[scaredamurikan]

90. Well we shouldn't be intervening in other countries affairs

Saddam was no threat.

[LoZoccolo]

93. Go live in one of those other countries and come back and say that.

Your isolationism is anti-human rights and used to be conservative foreign policy (and still is to America-firsters like Pat Buchanan), especially of fascist-appeaser Republicans in the thirties.

[scaredamurikan]

104. Bullshit

The US isn't the world's policeman and shouldn't be.

[LoZoccolo]

110. OK, you don't know what you're talking about.

You know nothing about foreign policy except that you find war icky (I do too, but that's not all of it).

[Andy_Stephenson]

115. Illegal war is

"icky" and this one is illegal as hell. I personally do not like having blood on my hands

[LoZoccolo]

125. You've changed the subject.

We were talking about your right-wing foreign policy and now you want to talk about illegal war. Yes, I agree this is an illegal war. Now let's get back to talking about isolationism.

[Andy_Stephenson]

105. No they are not...

they are there to foment war and unrest. It boils down to this...The US should mind it's own business. Unless and until the UN initiates action we should not. We only need to defend ourselves.

[scaredamurikan]

106. Agreed

UN wants our troops to intervene, then maybe.

But only under the UN flag.

[LoZoccolo]

121. Yeah, that's right. I'm so about the war and unrest.

Fucken A this is why people don't take liberals seriously (what's funny is I'm advocating liberal foreign policy as a liberal).

I'm sick of arguments with "should" and that's it too. Republicans always say "should".

This is just like the right-wingers who go and say "no, the welfare system is supposed to keep people poor and dependant" and because they feel they can creep into other people's minds and say they've read them, that's the end of it.

This is so stupid.

I tell you what - here's a book that explains a lot of interventionist foreign policy that's actually very anti-neocon and anti-Bush*:

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-1591021766-1

I can't believe this. I tell you to go learn why we do what we do and you come back with a "should". I feel like I can't take you seriously anymore, which is a shame.

[Andy_Stephenson]

188. Perhaps you would be happier in the war party...

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

192. Yes, the Democrats are a "no-war-ever party".

Yupyupyupyupyupyupyupyup.

[scaredamurikan]

194. They should be

n/t

[LoZoccolo]

"They stab it with their steely knives..."

I can't believe we're still having this discussion.

Have you posted anything besides simple assertions of your own opinion and a few historical things we knew were true already?

[Liberal Veteran]

208. If they were, you'd be speaking German right now.....

But thanks for playing.

[Liberal Veteran]

200. Of course some will like to forget it was dems that won WW1 and WW2.

We don't like war, but we damn sure know how to wage them and win them when our hand is forced.

[scaredamurikan]

204. Lost Vietnam

Got 50 some thousand killed for no reason.

Thanks Johnson!

[Andy_Stephenson]

218. So our hand was forced

in Iraq?

[Liberal Veteran]

226. Nobody but you and Bush said or implied that.....

Get the over yourself and your more liberal than thou attitude. A dem isn't waging war in Iraq.

[scaredamurikan]

230. But a Dem would continue it

And Clinton bombed Iraq when he was in office.

[Liberal Veteran]

233. Why so he did. It appears that convinced Saddam to dismantle his programs.

I grow weary of teaching you history, boy.

[Skip Intro]

94. Nor do I

And I've expressed the view here many times that I do not in any way support the idea of an American "Empire." I almost take offense to your seeming suggestion that I do, but I've read your posts over the years that I've been here, and I have a great respect for you Gbnc. Maybe I've worded something clumsily.

But dismantle our military?

[Andy_Stephenson]

111. Who was it that said...

and I paraphrase here.

"Beware of foreign entanglements"

Jefferson...Franklin??? I can't remember.

[greatauntoftriplets]

119. George Washington.

His farewell address when he retired to Mount Vernon.

:)

[Andy_Stephenson]

123. Thanks

:loveya:

[greatauntoftriplets]

129. Any time.

I've always loved that particular point.

:loveya:

[JohnLocke]

175. That worked when it took three months to cross the Atlantic.

Isolationism doesn't work today.

[scaredamurikan]

183. That is why there is a UN

but both of these presidents will wage war if it is "the US's interest" even if the UN disagrees.

Clinton never went to the UN over Kosovo.

[LoZoccolo]

187. You act like the UN is some overriding moral force.

It's like accusing someone of being wrong just because the government says it's bad.

[JohnLocke]

191. The UN is weak! It is a figurehead organization!

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

185. True dat.

Isolationism is brutal and irresponsible as is libertarian economic policy. It's basically the same thing in a different context.

"Hey, why should we step in and not let them solve their own problems? We are not the country's breadbasket!"

[Skip Intro]

131. I won't pretend to know

But I do think our military might was used wisely, at least to some extent, in WW2.

I don't think its so much the instrument as it is the one who wields the instrument.

[wicket]

38. Hmmmmm....

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[mitchum]

40. Go use someone else's bandwidth, little boy

Looking forward to seeing your profile change

[latebloomer]

42. Obviously you are not too popular here

but I happen to agree with you that Kerry's vote, AND his continued defense of it, make me wonder where he actually differs from Bush's campaign of global domination and oil wars.

[miss_kitty]

51. why are you all arguing with this guy?

ignore him, he will go away. kerry's live on cspan 1. right now

[unfrigginreal]

52. Who cares? For the time being he's the only one that can beat Bush

after he achieves that goal we can worry about whether or not he deserves to be reelected.

[rumguy]

58. Beware of freepers posing as green party members

It's an easy way for them to sow discord.

[scaredamurikan]

62. Yes you should

But I am not one of them.

[AmerDem]

73. Isn't past your bedtime Socrates?

shew away, go go

[wurzel]

63. You mean Kerry did that all by himself?

[AmerDem]

64. Another low post count not showing Kerry in a good light!

Freeperville nitwits must really be shitting themselves the last few days. I can't wait until this week, more is on the way!

[scaredamurikan]

66. Huh?

What is a "freeperville nitwit"?

[unfrigginreal]

75. Look here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=150447

[Andy_Stephenson]

95. It is against DU rules to call someone a freeper.

next time I will alert.

[Name removed]

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[scaredamurikan]

108. Wow!

n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

132. Ok...

Now I have alerted on you.

[AmerDem]

139. pffff

One step ahead of you poster. perhaps next time you should alert when you see someone starting a thread with a sole purpose of causing havoc on the board.

[Andy_Stephenson]

143. I don't see it as causing havoc...

I hear the same sentiments from many Democrats.

[AmerDem]

158. Stick to your

GOD, Bush and Guns. i'll let the mods and fellow posters decide. Then again by glancing over this thread I see i'm not the only one who feels this way. Oh and i'll be damned, i'm also not the only one makinmg reference to freepers! How about that!

Get a clue!

[Andy_Stephenson]

164. Oh I have a clue...

BTW my position regarding Kerry has never changed. It will not change and if you don't like it...I could care less.

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[Andy_Stephenson]

68. I happen to agree 100% with you

By voting yes Kerry showed no leadership. Millions around the world were imploring him to say no. He was in a safe seat yet he voted yes. Spin it all you want, the language in the resolution was quite clear. Now he says he would have done it again...even knowing what he knows now. So yes, Kerry enabled Bush* to go to war. He is not my first choice for President. Never has been.

[scaredamurikan]

77. Thank you

I just about shit a brick hearing him say that on the radio.

How much different on going to war do you think he would be than Bush?

Clinton went into Kosovo with bomber planes and that ticked me off.

I've never trusted Democrats since, Dennis Kucinich and Paul Wellstone excepting.

[Andy_Stephenson]

96. Dennis is a true man of Peace.

:loveya: Dennis

[MaggieSwanson]

176. Dennis is an American hero...

Thanks to him, there is a new breed of Democrats who came into the big tent that is the Democratic party.

To those who are posting with such venom...
You invited us to join you - here we are.
We support causes, not politicians. We call a bad vote a bad vote, no matter who makes it. We have the audacity to question authority.
Do you still want us under this big tent of yours?
Do you want to hear what we are thinking?
Do you want our votes?

[Tarheel_Dem]

99. i have a feeling you don't trust democrats.....

but not for the reasons you claim.

[lapfog_1]

72. You know what

if the Director of Central Intelligence told me that WMDs in Iraq
are a "slam dunk" and Colin Powell can point to bioweapons labs
in photographs and phone call transcripts between Republican Guard
commanders about WMDs... even I *might* have voted for a resolution
which I believe would get UN weapon inspectors back into Iraq.
Even with a threat of force.

Course, now we know the intel was cooked, the OSP was behind it
all and the President and all of his men (and women) lied their
fannies off.

BTW, why aren't you calling for the resignation and/or defeat of
all the OTHER democrats that also voted the way Kerry did. One
person in the Senate or House, BY HIM/HER SELF, cannot "enable"
a president to do anything.

If anything, let's defeat the culprit of the charade, and that
would NOT be John Kerry.

[scaredamurikan]

80. Saddam never had WMDs

That should have been clear.

[Droopy]

88. Sorry but he did have them at one point

He used them in the Iran-Iraq war. Chemical weapons I do believe. Supplied by us and our allies of course. You know the old saying? "We know he has wmds. We've got the receipts!"

[Liberal Veteran]

89. Never? Or just in 2002?

:)

[lapfog_1]

134. Where have you been getting your info?

Not here on planet earth.

Saddam had chemical weapons, used them on the Kurds in Northern
Iraq, used them in the Iraq/Iran war (or so the Iranians say).
And I believe that he acquired the precursor chemicals from the
US. Saddam was a tyrant and all round evil bastard... however,
how "evil" he was from our government's point of view had a lot
to do with who he was currently attacking in the ME. One of the
reasons that we are hated in the ME (and no, they don't really
hate us for our freedoms) is that our foreign policy is not
dictated from some absolute moral center. Our policy has been
one of supporting evil bastards that just happen to promise to
allow the continuance of US corporate domination in the region,
and a promise to not openly oppose our support of Israel. That
would include Saddam, the Shah of Iran, the King of Jordan, Mubarak
of Egypt (and Sadat before him), the the entire royal family of
Saudi Arabia. And as long as the evil bastard(s) in power doesn't
threaten our other evil bastards OR Israel, we look the other way
to whatever else they do (either to their own populations or to
neighbors that we happen not to like). That's been the cornerstone
of our ME policy for 60 years (since we sort of inherited it from
the British after WWII).

Saddam was just another of our guys in the ME, one of the stupider
and more dangerous ones, but one of our own nonetheless, and then
he did the stupid thing of attacking one of our friends... and we
decided that we needed a different evil bastard in charge, our
guy had "gone off the reservation".

Anyway, he did have WMDs, he just got rid of them after GW1.
But I wouldn't have bet the ranch that he didn't keep some
hidden away for a rainy day. I just didn't think that we needed
to invade, even if he DID have them. Saddam had been contained
for 10 years... much to the deteriment of his own people, but
contained nonetheless. We didn't need to start a war there to
do any of the things the neocons hope to do. And it took our
eye off the Bin Laden show. And I happen to think that is
intentional as well (you never know when you will need yet another
Pearl Harbor event)!

[JohnLocke]

180. Uh...yes he did.

In the 1990s. The weapons inspectors oversaw the descruction of chemical weapons.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/08/1046826559528.html?oneclick=true

[dennis4868]

74. hey dont.....

let the door his your ass on the way out....:spank:

[rocktivity]

78. The Green Party are Republican Party Enablers

:headbang:
rocknation

[Toucano]

124. Rock on!

:yourock:

[ogradda]

79. dont be ridiculous

he voted for the authority to go to war as a last resort. bush misused that power that's not kerry's fault any more than it is any of the other senators that voted. BUSH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS/INACTIONS - get a grip

[scaredamurikan]

82. They should have known Bush was going to misuse it

What did they expect from a stupid warmongering cowboy??

[Liberal Veteran]

109. Hindsight is 20/20.....none of us has precognition.

Truly in the beginning, I was fooled into thinking that it was just a ruse to make Saddam allow full access to inspectors.

Once it became apparent Bush and company planned to invade, the vote was already taken and it was too late, but I was one of the millions that marched against this war and still do oppose it, but now we are in a situation where we have broke it and bought it and we have a debt to the Iraqi people for our sins.

Don't presume you have a market cornered on opposing this war. 99.99% of us here did.

Kerry is best hope of fixing what has been broken and ending the neocon crusade at this point.

There are enough on the right trying to tear him down without so called progressives doing the same.

[PVnRT]

97. *yawn*

Yeah, vote for your boy Nader and ensure that we get Bush for four more years. After all, they're all the same, right? :eyes:

[scaredamurikan]

113. On going to war, yes they are the same.

n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

118. You can keep repeating it, but it doesn't make it true.

Kerry has stated unequivocably that he would have done things VERY differently than Bush where Iraq was concerned.

Why do keep repeating the same nonsense, little boy?

[PVnRT]

163. I just love single-issue voters

Keep helping Bush get reelected bub. Who cares how bad it gets for the little people in this country, as long as you get your moral victory, huh?

[wyldwolf]

98. mince meat

[LoZoccolo]

107. Potted meat food product.

[wyldwolf]

116. ...or scaredamurikan

[LoZoccolo]

216. What's funny is if this guy /is/ a FReeper...

...he's found out with a vengeance that his stereotype of what liberals believe is very very rare.

[allalone]

101. you're just silly

nt

[RetroLounge]

114. Stupidest Post Ever

B'Bye...

RL

[scaredamurikan]

117. So it's all about ousting Bush and you don't care about.......

bombs being dropped on women and children?

[Liberal Veteran]

126. *sigh*-----There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.

And it's obvious you aren't listening.

You are more interested in transmitting a viewpoint that receiving one.

Here is a pic:



That's me the arrows pointing at.

I didn't march against this war in the middle of winter because I thought maybe war was okay.

Get it? Don't presume to lecture me or make assumptions about my creditials.

[Tarheel_Dem]

133. are you so stupid as to think that a nay vote from john kerry........

would have kept (*) from invading? i suppose for greens it's all about symbolism? you "greens" are the reason so many reasonable people have fled to the center, you're just as naive and unreasonable as freepers.

[scaredamurikan]

137. Oh wow a centrist lecturing me

I sooo honored (not)

[Liberal Veteran]

141. I'm a centrist? And you base your assumption on what?

You are starting to lose it, if you think I am a centrist.

[scaredamurikan]

145. Not you, Tarheel Dem

n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

144. not lecturing............

just calling 'em as i see 'em. "stupid is, as stupid does".

[scaredamurikan]

147. So would you have people like me leave the party?

Listening to too many Limbaugh talking points, eh?

[Tarheel_Dem]

157. sir...i'm usually a very peaceful person.........

but, i could give a shit what you do with your vote, but if pressed, i could give you couple of suggestions.

[Andy_Stephenson]

140. The good Senator should have led

instead of following the herd.

[Tarheel_Dem]

148. please don't talk to me.........

i usually have a great deal of respect for someone who has built up a post count the size of yours, but in this case, for a DU veteran to jump aboard the kerry bashing bandwagon, from a thread started by someone with under a hundred posts ........take a hike. :wtf:

[Andy_Stephenson]

152. Thanks for the edit...

You obviously have a far greater IQ...than to use gutter language.

[redstateblues]

122. What A Stupid Fucking Thread- Where Do These Idiots Come From

I'm Sorry but the Green Party will never do anything except keep the Republicans in charge- You might not like it- but that is the reality right now. To say there is no difference between Kerry and Bush is the most intellectually dishonest thing I've heard in a long time.

[scaredamurikan]

128. I don't think so

Both would have gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We're not talking about abortion.

[MissB]

127. Wow, are we really this bored tonight?

Low post count, flamebait - let's see.... why is everyone responding?

[scaredamurikan]

135. Maybe because my point is valid?

Guess you like dropping bombs too.

[redstateblues]

138. scaredamurikan is a Taliban Enabler

So you would have let the Taliban continue to shield AlQueda?

[scaredamurikan]

142. The Northern Aliance would have eventually ran them out

And the terror threat you speak of has been greatly exaggerated by Bush and co.

[Liberal Veteran]

146. The northern alliance is a gang of thugs themselves.....

....hardly distinguishable from the Taliban in many respects.

[Name removed]

149. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[redstateblues]

150. The Northern Alliance Was Like A Fly Buzzing Around

the Taliban's head until we jumped in. Sorry- I know you hate it that
it was the right thing to take out the Taliban.

[scaredamurikan]

154. No it wasn't

We still haven't gotten Osama and Afghanistan is a security nightmare.

[redstateblues]

160. That's because it has been executed incompetently

[scaredamurikan]

162. Right and so a Democrat would execute it better?

N/t

[Liberal Veteran]

165. Most likely. President Gore wouldn't have moved everyone to Iraq...

He would have finished the job in Afghanistan properly AND had a plan to secure the peace.

Assuming we even attacked Afghanistan. 9/11 might not even happened on a Gore watch.

[Kierkegaard]

174. Your assertions are very troubling

Kerry knew what Bush was going to do with presidential authority and voted to provide it anyway.
Kerry would have performed the same way in Iraq that Bush has.
The terrorist threat abroad is exaggerated.
The northern alliance was going to somehow manage to overthrow the Taliban.

Seems like your logic is highly dependent upon precognitive recognition or grand stores of knowledge that isn't available to anyone but yourself. Arguments based upon supposition do not merit discussion.

[John_H]

130. I know. The Green bridge commissioner of Cheswick Co. Oregon is

running for Road and Median Board Chairman. If Kerry keeps on being indistinguishable from chimp, the Greens will own every shadow village councilperson slot in the Pacific Northwest!!!

[Liberal Veteran]

136. Bwah-ha-ha!!!! You owe me a clean keyboard!

:)

[Skip Intro]

153. Why does your avatar say "Anyone but bush 2004" - ?

[MissB]

156. Perhaps he could change it

Or someone could change it for him :)

[Tarheel_Dem]

181. LOL..........

:spank: i noticed that too, but didn't have the heart to say anything.

[redstateblues]

159. And What's Wrong With Dropping Bombs On Al Queda?

I don't have a problem with taking out the Taliban and the al Queda camps in Afghanistan-

[scaredamurikan]

161. I do

n/t

[PVnRT]

166. Why?

So they can continue targeting and killing innocent people? So you can keep claiming a moral victory at the price of other peoples' lives?

Grow up, please.

[scaredamurikan]

169. Who were the Taliban killing?

I bet NATO bombs killed more citizens than the Taliban ever did.

[redstateblues]

178. Think Back Now- They were harboring Al Queda- or do you not believe that

[Liberal Veteran]

182. I wouldn't place in large bets on that.....

With women denied access to health care and executing people for the most innocent offense against their version of Islamic law, it's highly unlikely you know how many died under their thumb.

In August of 1998, the Taliban slew up to 8000 people in Mazar-e-Sharif. That was just one incident. You want to keep imagining things?

[redstateblues]

Lets Not Let Any Facts Cloud This Issue!!

[JohnLocke]

195. Moron: learn to read.

http://web.amnesty.org/web/ar2001.nsf/webasacountries/AFGHANISTAN?OpenDocument

[redstateblues]

171. This is getting goofy- So the the Twin Towers was not really a problem for

you?

[scaredamurikan]

189. The terrorists that did it are in this country

N/T

[Liberal Veteran]

193. They entered our country in 2001. They weren't homegrown.....

Get a frigging clue.

[scaredamurikan]

197. Yes they were

This whole thing about "Arabs" was just conjured up the white right wing hate nazis.

[redstateblues]

199. TIN FOIL HAT ALERT!!!!

Now that scaredamurikan has showed his true colors I am passing the torch to anyone who wants to help him bulk up his # of posts.

[Liberal Veteran]

203. ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!! You are coming unglued.....

Get a grip.

[scaredamurikan]

209. You actually believe someone else other than right wingers...

in coordination with the WH did it?

[Liberal Veteran]

212. I'd believe LIHOP before MIHOP....

and if you don't know what either of those mean, then you have know business in this discussion with your betters.

[scaredamurikan]

219. I know what they mean and

he made it happen

[JohnLocke]

167. My response

[redstateblues]

177. That is the shit!! What a great pic. thanks

[JohnLocke]

184. You're welcome.

[21winner]

186. The Green Party.

It has never elected anyone, for anything, anywhere. And that's the way they like it.

[Andy_Stephenson]

196. Really?

Prove that statement!

[Amazin]

202. doesn't Kerry want to increase our military presence in Iraq?

When we supposedly handed over power,its clear ita a been a big mistake and the only civil war that would develop is between Iraqi's like old man Sistani,who could make peace with Al-Sadir when 135,000 U.S troops couldn't? Hmmm.

[scaredamurikan]

206. Yeah by like 40,000

I think.

[redstateblues]

210. Your facts are wrong again- He wants to increase the military

by that # but not our presence in Iraq

[scaredamurikan]

213. They'd end up in Iraq soon enough

Just the like the Portuguese had to increase their troop numbers in Mozambique to put down the insurgency there that forced them out.

[Amazin]

214. seems like a contradiction

The fatter matter gets the more space it takes up,the more prescence it has

[Tarheel_Dem]

217. that's pure bullshit, and i think you know it..........

john kerry has clearly stated that those 40,000 troops would not be deployed to iraq. you're losing more credibility with each post (not that i ever thought you were credible to begin with).

[scaredamurikan]

220. Ooo ooo! 40,000 troops to wage another war with

Just what we need......

[Tarheel_Dem]

225. ok....i've amused myself enough tonight........

until you educate yourself on john kerry's stance on issues like this, i can't take you seriously. be you troll or green, i bid you adieu!

[Liberal Veteran]

228. That make two of us.

I grow bored with people who presume to lecture us on our liberal creditials.

[redstateblues]

207. Kerry Does Not Want To Increase Our Presence In Iraq

[Talkative1]

205. Inbreeding

Some Presidential Cousins of Senator John Forbes Kerry & President George Walker Bush

http://www.familyforest.com/Kerry_Bush_Cousins.html

I don't know about you, but I'm not on that list

"Paper or plastic?"

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

211. Reality check. Guess who voted for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?

George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy and both Bobby and Ted Kennedy. Did that make their opposition to the war later on any less legit?

Hell John Kerry was a decorated Naval officer (unless you believe the SBVFT shit) and went on to lead "Vietnam Veterans against the war".

Get a fucking clue.

[scaredamurikan]

215. You get a clue

n/t

[wyldwolf]

222. Oh, now there is a brilliant comeback!

bwahahahahahahahaha

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

223. Is that the best you can respond with?

Why don't you go click on an internet porn site? You might enjoy it more. What? You can't? Oh that's right your mommy and daddy set the parental controls on your browser

[scaredamurikan]

227. Wow you are just so smart

I bow before your intelligence.

[wyldwolf]

234. why not call him a damn educated liberal intellectual elitist?

Limbaugh would.

[scaredamurikan]

241. Just because I am smarter than you

doesn't mean you have get all upset about it.

Peace.

[wyldwolf]

245. damn! that explains it all!

[wyldwolf]

221. Excellent points! Thanks!

[scaredamurikan]

224. I can't argue with people like you

Your rah rah for Kerry even if he killed his grandma.

[wyldwolf]

229. Are you arguing with me?

I would like to provide a quick commentary on you arguing style, though.

No sense of logic. Pure emotion and void of substantiating evidence. You're either a newbie to politics or a GOPer.

[redstateblues]

231. You Can't Argue With Us Because You Don't Have Your Facts

Straight. You just have a bunch of whacko conspiracy theories with absolutely no proof. You make it up as you go along.

[Amazin]

232. Try Bush Lite

Read the cartoon from this link.Pretty funny.

http://www.workers.org/pdf/ww072904.pdf

[scaredamurikan]

235. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING

That cartoon is great.

[redstateblues]

237. You two should hook up sometime- at a Bush rally

[redstateblues]

236. That's A Lie!! Kerry Will Not Increase Troops. Your # of Posts

says it all.

[newsguyatl]

238. in fact, you're absolutely right

in your post.

kerry IS a bush/war enabler.

but the fact is, kerry's the best we've got to go against bush, and i can tell you that with kerry, there WON'T be MORE wars unless we're attacked or threatened.

with bush, you'll have at least two more wars in the next 4 years.

it's the better of two evils.

not to mention, we have a supreme court to consider.

[scaredamurikan]

239. Yikes! I didn't figure in the SCOTUS

But they are in Bushes court. Remember 2000?

[newsguyatl]

240. no, i'm referring

to the two or three who will retire in the coming year(s).

[scaredamurikan]

246. Gotcha

n/t

[Cats Against Frist]

242. Look, asswipe

I'm damn a near fucking delusional anarchist. I plan the layout of my subsistence farm, everyday. I think all of consumer America needs to be wiped out by some super-bubonic. I can't stand constructs, and it's only a matter of time before I'm completely off the grid. I would offer Republicans to aliens as food. If I saw an elephant, I'd slit its fucking throat.

If I went out to lunch with John Kerry, I'd call him a constructed asswipe moneyed mothertripper and say "get a conscience, re-run."

I hate the fascist engine of the GOP, and the soulless norm of vacant consumer American life more than Britney Spears and I'M STILL CONVINCED THAT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE AGAINST BUSH is a FUCKING MORON.

So peddle your psy op somewhere else, freeper.

[redstateblues]

249. Incredible post! Inspired writing! Fucking Funny!!

[ogradda]

251. beautiful

succient. clear-cut. crystal-clear. absolutely beautiful.

[AZ_Joel]

254. "ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE AGAINST BUSH is a FUCKING MORON."

I'd rather vote for Kerry than against Bush... otherwise you have a point.

[Kimber Scott]

243. Yeah, Green Party!

Now go start your own discussion board. This one's for Democrats.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

244. PLEASE PEOPLE!!!!!! DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scaredamurikan]

247. ???

n/t

[Cats Against Frist]

248. Why would you have an ABB avatar, if you're not ABB?

I thought that ABB meant that one would vote for a Hostess Cupcake, rather than put Bush in the WH. So why are you dissing on Kerry? He's the best ABB we have!

***edited for punctuation

[Talkative1]

250. The reason 'Nam is the issue

is because neither one of the candidates DARE bring up Afghanistan and Iraq.

[crickets]

253. No, Kerry is not a Bush enabler

Run along and play with someone your own age, little one. The adults are busy here. Buh-bye.

[Kahuna]

255. How much is the Green party polling this year?

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!

[AZ_Joel]

256. If I remember correctly, Nader is an independent this year EOM

[scaredamurikan]

257. Yep just like me

progressive independent.

[Moderator]

258. locking....

the original poster has been banned and his post was flame bait.

Sorry I didn't get to it sooner.