Warning Obama about Clinton as SOS makes me feel the same way

[dkf]

as when I was trying to warn my Rep about voting for the war in Iraq.

I see disaster coming and I want to do something to stop it, but it seems to be oh so popular.

I hope I'm wrong, but my stomach is telling me its gonna be a fiasco.

[Skittles]

1. lol

:rofl:

[BeFree]

2. Eh?

Equating Clinton as SoS with the war on Iraq?

Talk about being overly dramatic.

[dkf]

5. Same sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.

Also the same way I felt when I realized Gore might lose to Bush.

[BeFree]

10. Not me

I think Ms. Clinton as SoS is a great move and I'm glad Obama picked her. She's gonna be a great worldwide rep for Obama and the US.

[cali]

53. You need to do a gut check

comparing this to the IWR vote is nutty.

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. She voted for it, didn't she?

Said she trusted Chimpy's intelligence when she, the wife of the previous President, should have been the first one to know better.

[BeFree]

28. Ok

She made a mistake. Only it wasn't just bush intel, it was the cia. They were screwing with all of us, and lets hope Obama will stop that shit.

Bill probably trusted the cia then, i doubt he does now.

Anyway, the sos doesn't start wars. But i'd bet she can stop one, kinda like bill did when has was in.

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. But it wasn't just the CIA.

Scott Ritter and the UN inspection teams were in Iraq in 1999. Even if Saddam had attempted to re-arm Iraq after that, there is no fucking way in Hell he could have ever had the amount of weapons that the Bush Crime Family claimed he did.

The PNAC agenda was bullshit from day one and the Clintons more than anybody KNEW it was bullshit, because they got the letter from PNAC in 1998 just begging for an invasion of Iraq.

[BeFree]

31. So

Why did she vote for letting bush go to the UN and ask them to go along with enforcing the sanctions?

[w4rma]

39. Does Clinton *want* to end it? She still hasn't admitted she made a mistake.

I think she'd vote exactly the same way if she had 20/20 foresight.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. YES SHE DID admit her mistake!...did you not watch the Primary?

[Tinksrival]

46. A lot of people want to forgive and move on but this always bugs me:

Records: Senators who OK'd war didn't read key report
7:25 a.m. EDT, May 29, 2007

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/28/clinton.iraq/index.html

Story Highlights
• Hillary Clinton, John McCain and most others in Congress didn't read document
• Newspaper: Six senators, a few House members logged as reading report
• Most in Congress were briefed several times, read summary of report
• Report was wrong about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq


Didn't Condi make a major mistake by not reading an important document? :shrug:

[LostinVA]

56. AS did Daschle, Kerry, Edwards, etc. -- and PE Obama has said he would have voted for it

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. So your stomach is to be trusted more than Obama's brain?

If you say so...

[dkf]

11. Right now he looks invincible.

This is one of the things that will bring him down to earth. I wish I could prevent it. Oh well. What can I do. So sad.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

16. Well, you must be sure to let him know,

since you obviously know more about politics and governing than he does. How come you didn't run for President?

[dkf]

17. Hey I got Iraq right and Hillary didn't.

My gut is better than Hillary, Biden, Edwards and Kerry.

We'll see if I'm better than Obama.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Obama got Iraq right, too. I will assume he can get his cabinet appointments right as well.

[dkf]

26. That is why we are tied.

Hillary is the tiebreaker.

[1corona4u]

51. You can't do jack shit about it, and yammering about it on this board

does NOTHING. People need to just STFU about it, and let Obama do what he wants.

[Arkansas Granny]

68. Good point. LOL

[mwei924]

4. Well if your stomach says so, then it must be true.

[dkf]

7. I should bookmark this thread.

to get ready for my "I Told You So".

[Fearless]

6. Oh please...

Can we not throw the entire goddamn party under the bus the moment we gain power? This is getting stupid. Next we'll be comparing his Sec. X to Hitler. Talk about throwing the kitchen sink.

[QC]

8. YOU ARE WORSE THAN HITLER!!1!!!1

[Fearless]

12. I know... I know...

I try to kill millions of people, but by 10000, damn, I just get so bored with the whole thing.

:yoiks:

[SwampG8r]

66. i already did that several days ago

[tigereye]

9. do you really think that Obama has no idea about what Sen Clinton believes?

And do you think that she would do what "she wants" vs. what the President wants?


:shrug:

[dkf]

14. I think he knows what she believes, but doesn't know how

incapable she and her people are of getting out of their former bad habits. We have seen those behaviors at work with this nomination process. Obama thinks he can get her to stop it, but I don't think she's capable of it. Its too ingrained.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

18. Good grief. Obama has been in the Senate with Hillary Clinton.

He has worked with her and campaigned against her. He knows her and Bill personally. He knows the people who worked for Bill during his administration. Do you seriously think that after fighting with her for the nomination for almost two years he doesn't know or understand the Clintons? Do you want us to think some anonymous person on the Internet who has never even met the Clintons "knows" them better than a guy who has worked both with and against them for years?

Please. :eyes:

[dkf]

22. Well if he knows she is going to do all this and he still

picks her then he must be crazy. Unless he LIKES the Clinton circus. I would find that very odd indeed considering he wanted his campaign run exactly opposite.

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Well. There you have it. He's stark raving mad.

Because YOU say so.

[mtnester]

50. No even worse...because his STOMACH says so

"Man's stomach declares Obama a lunatic - catch our exlcusive interview at 11"

[BlooInBloo]

27. After the at-the-time world's most craptacular campaign ever run, it's not remotely plausible...

To contend that Obama is being naive about Clintonian lack of moral restraint.

Clearly he thinks he can corral her - either thru genuine professional friendship, or some other means that hasn't been discussed much. Or a combination, of course - carrots and sticks are tried-and-true. And if he's wrong, and he can't corral her sufficiently, well, she still serves at the pleasure of the President.

[dkf]

30. But why would he think he can corral her after this latest nomination experience?

And now her campaign finance shenanigans? I think he is being a little over confident on this one.

[BlooInBloo]

32. Possibly - losing is fo sho always a possible outcome of playing a game....

But hell if *I'm* gonna bet against him - waaay too many people have gone metaphorically broke doing that.

Once - luck
Twice - luck
Thrice - luck
.
.
.
Brazillionth - (I dare you to say it's still luck, without cracking a smile)

[dkf]

35. Well l'm betting the scorpion can't change its nature.

Sigh.

[BlooInBloo]

43. It's unnecessary to hope for something so extreme as that the scorpion change it's nature...

Really all that's required is a less-naive frog, who has a Plan B waiting in the wings. Like armor.

[dkf]

44. Obama is very good at contingency plans.

You are right that he probably has an out planned just in case.

[Cha]

36. Lol!

Sure will be interesting having Obama in charge..or I should say .."it is interesting."

[BlooInBloo]

37. Yuppers.

[LostinVA]

57. I am sickened that I voted for that weak-willed wimp Obama -- what a myopic fool

:eyes:

[tigereye]

61. And her campaigning for him? She's a good Dem, she'll do what's needed -

I think this argument is tiresome, inaccurate, and absurd.


It's the media, not her. Or it's simply how Washington sometimes tends to work. Weird but true.

[liberalmuse]

13. Oh BULLSHIT!

Take some Tums.

[JeffR]

15. Good Lord. I don't care for Senator Clinton, but this is really too much.

I think you should stop listening to your stomach. What you think is a message may be nothing more than - to quote Dickens - "... an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato..."

[scarletwoman]

20. My main objection is that it looks like neoliberalism & corporate globalism will remain the order

of the day. It's not that I didn't pretty much expect this to be the case, but until the pick of Clinton for S.o.S., I held out a little bit of hope that there might be a different tack in the offing.

But I feel like now we're pretty much guaranteed a continuance of AIPAC/Likud/corporatist/militarist dominated foreign policy. I think it totally sucks.

I knew that what this election was fundamentally about was choosing the best manager for the Empire. I had just hoped that it would be a manager with some different influences.

sw

[Maven]

23. Maybe it's the burrito you ate earlier

[Metric System]

24. I'm concerned that you're concerned.

No, not really.

[BlooInBloo]

25. Keep in mind that one of the bad outcome situations is a LOT easier to fix than the other....

Thus, while I don't think it's the best choice he could make, it's aight.

[rug]

33. I have diarrhea. Has Osama bin Laden died?

[QC]

34. Only if it's projectile diarrhea. n/t

[TK421]

38. And I thought I had some Pepto in the house..might as well settle for cyanide capsules

I can't....handle...the...TRUTH!!!!!#@!

[pnwmom]

40. Bush always thought with his gut. And you can see how well

that worked out.

I say, ignore your stomach. Listen to Obama's words and use your head.

[dailykoff]

41. On the bright side

the chances are good that she'll flame out before he takes office.

Unfortunately, I think it's going to take a major disaster for him to realize that Rahm and friends don't give a damn who's in the Oval Office as long as the bombs keep falling.

[Beacool]

45. Oh please God, not another one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another worrier concerned that evil, mean, Hillary is going to eat alive the innocent and naive newly elected president.

Would you people stop with this crap already?????? It's insulting to both Hillary and Obama.

:spank:

[PresidentObama]

48. Exactly. They trusted Obama's judgment until he picks Hillary.

Fuck that. Be consistent.

I trust Obama's judgment. Hillary will be a great SOS.

[Beacool]

49. This board has become disgusting

with all the Clinton bashing and hand wringing over Obama's choice of Hillary as SOS.

So much crap, the woman is qualified to be president, let alone SOS. Mind you that I would have preferred for her to remain in the senate and preserve her independence and power base, but this is utter bullshit!!!

:mad:

[LostinVA]

58. This is far from a new one

[Beacool]

59. I know.........

This place is hopeless.

:eyes:

[PresidentObama]

47. This is filed under "Worst Threads in DU's History" just more anti-Clinton bullshit n/t

[wyldwolf]

52. K&R'd to show the world what deep thinkers we have on DU.

[JVS]

55. K&R for total awesomeness!

[Max_powers94]

60. I am not the only one

[Jennicut]

62. Obama is a smart guy. Heck, he is a lot smarter then me so I trust his judgement

after all, I wasn't president of Harvard Law Review, I wasn't a lawyer, and I didn't run a brilliant campaign. Not to say he can't be criticized but I elected him to make the decisions that would be way out of my league. There is a reason Bush failed, he wasn't intellectually smart enough.

[QC]

63. Eating a York Peppermint Patty makes me feel the same way

as picking my ass on a crisp, cold winter day.

[Beacool]

67. Good one!!!

:rofl:

[blue_onyx]

64. I feel the same way I did with Biden

I didn't think it was the best choice but she will do a great job.

[PeaceNikki]

65. OH THE DRAMA!!!!