What kinda drama did Hillary Clinton start during her first 6 years as Senator?

[joshcryer]

Other than IWR vote and a few other votes (that Kerry and others voted on, too, mind you), I can't think of any big drama, in fact it was as if she wasn't even in the national spotlight. I honestly almost forgot she was even a senator until she ran for the Presidency.

[stray cat]

1. None - she was a solid senator

[zeemike]

2. I don't know if you would call it drama but

It was telling for me non the less...She sponsored the anti flag burning amendment to the constitution.
I was all with her until that one.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Why do Americans focus on such bullshit as flag lapel pins and amendments to not burn the flag?

Why not worry about feeding the hungry in this country, create jobs, etc.?

[zeemike]

43. Because those are sacred objects to the right wing nuts

I know that was a rhetorical question but I had a quick answer.

[old mark]

52. They are very easy points to be scored with the dumber voters.

George Bush I gave many an impassioned speech against burning the flag, always got coverage on the evening news, gave nothing and got credit for being a "good American".
Cheap politics, nothing more.

mark

[Sarah Ibarruri]

55. Oh I agree with you. But why are Americans guided by right wingnuts? I don't get it. nt

[Uncle Joe]

61. Because many have been subject to decades of corporate media brainwashing

as to what's important and what constitutes patriotism.

The flag, flag lapel pins and such are emotional as opposed to logical triggers used by the corporate media in the same manner, Pavlov rang his bell to start his dog slobbering at the mouth.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

68. You're right. And the thing about propaganda is that you don't know you're being brainwashed nt

[ruggerson]

5. That is incorrect zeemike

She sponsored a STATUTE specifically designed to STOP the crowd that wanted to amend the constitution.

And Clinton's bill was introduced on the floor by Dick Durbin and had the support of John Kerry and 63 other Senators.

I didn't and don't agree with it, but it was meant to stop the Republicans from amending the constitution.

I never see Durbin or Kerry pilloried for this. Just Senator Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/28/washington/28hillary.html

[BlooInBloo]

7. Yah - like the republicans were going to be able to amend the Constitution...

Please send in the next false bogeyman. And keep in mind that Clinton has already used Iraq and Iran. No repeatsies! (wags finger)

:rofl:

[dsc]

9. They lost by one, count it one, single solitary vote in the Senate

and won in the House. So yeah, I think they could have. On edit, here is the link to back me up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062701056.html

The Senate rejected by a single vote yesterday an effort to amend the Constitution to allow Congress to ban desecration of the American flag, after a two-day debate freighted with political calculations and sharp disputes over the limits of free speech.

The 66 to 34 vote fell just short of the two-thirds majority required to approve a constitutional amendment and submit it to the states for ratification. It marked the latest setback for congressional attempts to supersede Supreme Court decisions in 1989 and 1990. Justices narrowly ruled that burning and other desecrations of the flag are protected as free speech under the First Amendment.


As expected, three Republicans -- Robert F. Bennett (Utah), Lincoln D. Chafee (R.I.) and Mitch McConnell (Ky.) -- voted against the amendment. Fourteen Democrats voted for it. The House approved the measure 286 to 130 last year.

[BlooInBloo]

14. (facepalm) I.e., "no, they were not in fact able to amend the Constitution....

indeed, they weren't even able to get past stage 1 of amending the Consitution."

I greatly appreciate you're clarificatory agreement with me.

Now... On to the next false-bogeyman!

[dsc]

16. thanks in part to Hilary's vote against the amendment

and the bill sponsered by her to provide a fig leaf to people who voted against the amendment. In point of fact, had she done, what the poster claimed she had, voted for the amendment, it would have been in state legislatures where it probably would have passed.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Hint: A counterfactual + the phrase "in point of fact" is oxymoronic.

EDIT: Fine, numerical agreement isn't worthless.

[dsc]

21. 66 plus 1 is 67

and had she voted for that Amendment it would have been in state legislatures. I don't know what part of that is unclear or difficult to understand. The simple fact is she didn't vote for that amendment, and far from being a worthless vote, it was one of 34 which prevented that amendment from passing the Senate.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Truer words have never been written than in your last subject line! Good work!

[ruggerson]

24. There is a crowd here that doesn't like dealing in truth

I have noticed.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Sorry - the award for Truest Words Ever Written In A Subject Line...

has already been given out. I encourage you to try next year - methinks you have a knack for it.

[dsc]

29. I would imagine her blocking of the change in allocation of AIDS money

would be her most nationally contraversial but New York benefitting activity in those years.

[LostinVA]

63. I'm betting money it would have passed in enough states

[dsc]

65. I literally can't imagine it not doing so

My guess is that we would be lucky to see New England (6 states), New York, California, PA, NJ, Hawaii, and maybe Deleware vote against. That still leaves us several states short.

[ruggerson]

13. the flag burning AMENDMENT that year failed by a single vote

that's right. 66 to 34.

You always roll around on the floor on your back like that? You kind of look like an insect someone might step on.

[BlooInBloo]

15. I avoided the conclusion in the other dude's post to the same effect....

But I guess I really am forced to conclude that you guys really don't know what's required to amend the Constitution.

It's alright now - as long as I have a proper appreciation for my interlocutors' knowledge levels, I can adapt.

[ruggerson]

20. Show us the links to the headcounts of state legislatures where an amendement would have failed

as you claim?

Please provide specific data.

[BlooInBloo]

23. As soon as you point to where I made that claim. Thanks!

[ruggerson]

25. So, in other words, you can't

still rolling around on your back?

[BlooInBloo]

26. Um, ur doin it wrong. You don't get to declare victory based upon claims I never made.

Though it would be funny if it did work that way.

So... you claim to have stopped fucking goats. Care to provide proof of that claim?

:rofl:

[ruggerson]

28. Your modus operandi after you make significant factual errors

is to try to flamebait yourself into getting the messages deleted.

Homey don't play that game.

See ya. While this is up everyone can read it.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Huh? I'm the LAST person who would TRY to get messages deleted...

It comes naturally enough as it is. :rofl:


EDIT: And let the record reflect that I have no idea what the string of words "is to try to flamebait yourself into getting the messages deleted" even means.

EDITEDIT: And one more time, slowly. You don't get to attribute error to me, if I didn't say it.

[Uzybone]

33. Wow, your arguments are worthless on this issue

Quit while you are not too far behind.

Normally your posts make sense.

[paulk]

18. the amendment failed by a single vote, 66-34

you don't know what the fuck you're talking about do you?

what else is new...

And it was Durbin's bill, btw - ruggerson is correct.

It's like someone mentions "Hillary Clinton" and you turn into an idiot.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Most ppl would say I *always was* an idiot, actually...

They'd be wrong, but little things like that rarely get in their way.


EDIT: Added subject emphasis.


EDITEDIT: It is truly comedy of the highest order watching you people agree so vehemently with me, and yet believe balls-out that you're *dis*agreeing with me. :rofl:

[laugle]

37. Your last line is funny...............my laugh for the night, thanks! nt

[joshcryer]

48. Thanks guys for shutting up the asinine "objections."

At least ProSense had legitimate concerns (although 4 of them were MSM created bullshit).

[zeemike]

36. OK a STATUTE

That makes a diference...in the pandering to the right wing.
Which is where I had the problem.
And it don't mater to me what happened to the stature or the bill because it was telling of her character, that she thought she needed to pander to the right for some reason.

[LostinVA]

64. She didn't pander -- that's the point -- did you even read his post?

"She sponsored a STATUTE specifically designed to STOP the crowd that wanted to amend the constitution.

And Clinton's bill was introduced on the floor by Dick Durbin and had the support of John Kerry and 63 other Senators.

I didn't and don't agree with it, but it was meant to stop the Republicans from amending the constitution."

[paulk]

11. what's "telling" is that there are still people who believe this

Hillary Clinton did NOT sponsor the "anti flag burning amendment to the constitution"

get your facts right or stand as an ignoramus

google is your friend

and if you don't know the difference between amendments to our constitution and legislation

then even google isn't going to help you...

[lamp_shade]

4. All I know is they LOVE her in New York State.

I know... I have family all over the state and she's done an awful lot to bring industries and jobs to many areas. Even my republican BIL thinks she's "pretty okay".

[quickesst]

6. There's going to be some unhappy people here...

...when they realize Barack isn't going to change his mind because of an insignificant few who's strong suit seems to consist mainly of bitching, crying, pissin' and moaning. Surprise!! Thanks.
quickesst

[BlooInBloo]

10. Unhappy because Clinton got the runner-up's runner up prize? BWAHAHAAHAH!!!!

And she can be fired more easily than Obama puts on his jacket?

You Clinton people - absolutely hilarious.

I suppose I'll play along with Clinton supporters' Alice In Wonderland fantasy that Clinton has pulled off some sort of AWESOMZ VICTORY COUP!!! by getting the booby's booby prize. I'll be convincing, too.

[JVS]

38. Can you imagine how it would go over here if he forced her to resign in the future?

There simply isn't enough popcorn...

[BlooInBloo]

44. I'd be ok with it, for my part. The sooner the US Top Diplomat is not a warmonger, the better.

[my3boyz]

51. My friend who is a Republican who voted for Barack said it

would be priceless if Barack could point to Hillary and say "You're fired!" ala Donald Trump. She said can you imagine firing a Clinton?

[laugle]

39. I just heard today of PBS,

SHE CANNOT BE FIRED! Get your facts straight!!

[BlooInBloo]

45. Do tell?

[laugle]

41. In case you haven't noticed,

Obama will be the next president, and the Hill supporters have moved on...........maybe you should too!

[Beacool]

8. None as far as I can recall.

Hillary has a well earned reputation in the senate for being a hard worker and a team player. When she arrived in 2001, many senators thought that she would be a "show horse", but she proved them wrong by being the ultimate "work horse". She also worked very hard at not upstaging her fellow senators, for example, she would be the only one taking a step back during photo-ops while her colleagues hustled for position. She even remained outside the chamber on several occasions when she thought that her celebrity status would detract from the importance of a bill that needed bipartisan approval. She has been gracious to all and has won the respect of her fellow senators on both sides of the aisle. Those who insist that Hillary is all about drama, a) don't know her and b) have not checked her senate record.

She is a remarkable woman and will do us proud as Secretary of State.

;-)

[Jennicut]

40. Agreed. I never supported her run for the presidency but she will be fine as SOS

She will be our main diplomat and lots of foreign leaders already know who she is.

[ProSense]

12. "I honestly almost forgot she was even a senator" Wow! LOL!

2001 bankruptcy bill
Cluster bomb


"work is a four-letter word."
Sen. Clinton Apologizes To Chelsea
Hillary Clinton's Flawed Apology


Hillary Clinton 'truly regrets' Gandhi joke
Video

[joshcryer]

47. Wow, that's a lot of drama over 6 years.

I'm truly amazed. :sarcasm:

Most of those things weren't even worth thinking about, and certainly there weren't *hundreds* of threads on DU about them (at least until she ran for President of course).

[PM Martin]

31. None actually.

It's just the far left wing nuts who hate her for very irrational reasons.
Just as the far right hates her and her husband.

[ProSense]

32. "It's just the far left wing nuts who hate her for very irrational reasons"

Why is it that some people like to ignore reality while resorting to name calling?

[JohnnyLib2]

34. Well, there must be SOMEthing.

Stand by...................


:D

[ecstatic]

35. She did throw Kerry under the bus that one time...

Perhaps due to her presidential ambitions?

[laugle]

42. Didn't he

throw her under the bus, I guess it's even now............

[ecstatic]

46. Yeah he did during the primaries,

if one considers endorsing her opponent to be throwing her under the bus. :shrug:

[dsc]

49. I would imagine her blocking of the change in allocation of AIDS money

would be her most contraversial action outside her state. Inside her state it would be favorably viewed.

[moondust]

50. She was a junior senator with no seniority.

The folks at the bottom don't get much attention. She won't have enough seniority to be a mover and a shaker in the Senate for a long time. Which is exactly why she wants out of there and into a high-profile, attention-getting job.

[dailykoff]

54. Baloney. She got attention whenever she wanted it.

Unfortunately she was running for president the whole time instead of accomplishing anything useful.

[atimetocome]

62. Grow up. Both dems and republicans speak highly of her as

a Senator.

[dailykoff]

53. Not enough and that's the problem. She caved.

When we needed her, she was silent. When we decided we didn't need her, she wouldn't go away. And that's the Hillary story in a nutshell.

[scheming daemons]

56. None....... it's her husband that's the potential "drama" problem - not her.

She's awesome.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

57. Other than that unfortunate episode with Bill on the Jerry Springer Show I can't think of any.

:hide:

[tabbycat31]

58. nothing

and she proved me wrong (I will admit the only time I did not vote Democrat in my life was for her first term, I doubted her), but she spent 6 years proving me wrong. I happily pulled the lever for her in 2006.

[blm]

59. Yeah, in fact when Kerry sided with weapon inspectors and Clinton sided with Bush's war decision,

she did it specifically to avoid the drama of opposing Bush and avoiding the appearance of backing up Kerry - just as she did (didn't do) on ToraBora when that drama queen Kerry was trying to tell Americans that Bush made MAJOR strategic decisions in ToraBora that allowed Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to go free - Hillary wouldn't have any of THAT drama.

Nor was she interested in the Dramatic Downing Street memos - the Alito Filibuster she and Schumer spoke against behind closed caucus doors but supported anyway after thousands of drama queen activists called her office.

No drama on the Iraq Withdrawal bill, either, for Hillary - she gave an undramatic speech in support of staying in Iraq and refused the DRAMA of a solid and doable Iraq withdrawal bill - she was even less dramatic than Joe Lieberman who she enjoyed living on the same page for some time.

BTW - you also seem to have forgotten that Hillary had her book come out DURING the 2004 primary, fueling speculation she was going to enter the race for over 2 months - a rumor kept primed by her loyalists - so, she was taking up oxygen when Dems needed to get to know their much less famous and much less COVERED candidates.

Then Bill goes and releases his book in 2004 and uses his summer2004 book tour to DRAMATICALLY and VIGOROUSLY defend Bush's decisions on terrorism and Iraq during his high profile interviews.

Gee - why would Clintons time their book tours during the primary and general campaigns?

[dsc]

66. Kerry voted for the war resolution too

[blm]

70. Except Kerry was SINCERE about WMDs and inspections and sided WITH weapon inspectors PUBLICLY while

BOTH Clintons publicly sided with Bush's DECISION to invade and refused to back up Kerry's position against the decision to invade, even when he was our nominee.

I am shocked you never noticed the STRIKING DIFFERENCE in their positions. Then Hillary had the NERVE by 2007 primary to claim that she only voted for IWR to get weapon inspections, but she never backed up those Dems like Kerry who stood against the DECISION to invade, did she?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

60. Legion of Decency bullshit.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=240603

[shaniqua6392]

67. None.

She worked well on both sides of the isle. The only drama is that the Republicans are busy smearing her and Bill and some Democrats seem to believe it. Let's just stick to the facts. She was a good Senator and will be a great Secretary of State. I am thankful to Obama for asking her. It was the right thing to do because she is the right person for the job. We should stand behind her and Obama and support them both in mending the fences with our global neighbors.

[Skittles]

69. she created no drama

that's just a repuke talking point disgustingly adopted by many so-called DUers