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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:06 AM
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The Obama worshipper meme.
I like Obama. I respect his intelligence, judgment and temperment. I want to give him a chance before I jump on the slam Obama bandwagon. I believe it's reasonable for him to choose his cabinet and high level appointments without input from the general public.

If that makes me an Obama "worshipper", fine. I'm not going to accept being shamed for supporting him or liking or respecting him, and it doesn't render me incapable of criticsim of him, should I think him deserving of it.

If you expect Obama to name your dream cabinet, and institute a department of peace, you deserve to be every bit as disappointed as you invariably will be.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:11 AM
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1. I like your style, and I agree wholeheartedly.............K&R
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:28 AM
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2. thanks for the kind words. n/t
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:35 AM
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3. I really don't get it. He's obviously intelligent and capable of
making good decisions.His cabinet choices will be as well thought out as everything else he's done so far and yet some here seem to believe he's easily swayed by pundits and anonymous sources. When has that ever been the case?
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:39 AM
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4. I completely agree. He's got this.
If he screws up, I'll be critical. But right now he is just in set up mode, and there are reasons for his decisions. I voted for him because I trust him in this department. So, for me anyway, I'll just watch this all play out.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:42 AM
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5. Nice post cali, you can add me to that list of "Worshipers".
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 08:49 AM by Rebellious Republica
Finally I get a president that I can fully support and stand behind. I will support the decisions of this man until he gives me good reason not to. So far as I can see he has done nothing to change my opinion of his Superior intellect above average intelligence and well thought out judgment. This one person is responsible for not just winning an election, he has been the catalyst for a social revolution, the likes of which we have not seen since the 60's. I believe he is a man of great dignity and above all else, Honor. Barrack Obama is someone I believe that can be trusted to reverse the downward spiral of this country, brought on by the corporate neocon fascists that hi jacked the country. I also believe Barrack Obama wants to do something that has not been done for many years in politics, bring back the big tent type of governing, bring back the art of compromise, taking the best from a broad range of views and ideas. Which should include Liberal, Progressive,Green and Conservative views. And for any nay sayers out there, this comes from a former Republican, southern white male, country music listening, F150 pick up truck driven, flag waving veteran. In short I am what some would call your stereotypical redneck, if you judge me by what you see on the surface, that is.

:kick:


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:44 AM
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6. It's more of a 'fanboy' mentality
I'm not referring to YOU (the OP) but rather to the ones who believe they actually know better than Obama who or what will work in his administration.

The term fanboy applies to those who's entire life is devoted to arguing why they can run the Star Wars or Star Trek franchises better than the creators and head honchos who do.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:37 PM
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19. There is the opposite extreme, too.
I'm thinking of the thread where everyone proclaimed that Obama was smarter than any of us. In short, that would make him above question, yes? Above question from those he is to serve. There are the knowitalls, sure, but the flip side of that coin is blind faith - a very scary place for people, especially DUers, to congregate.

My guess is all the current, vocal second-guessing of Obama swirls around his coming SOS pick, and is borne of irrational hatred of the Clintons. Hell, I don't think even John McCain as Sec of Defense, were that to come, would cause such an uproar.

btw, after the "Enterprise" series, I have to wonder how much worse the franchise could be handled.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:46 AM
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7. Agree.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:51 AM
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8. Yeah, I'm getting really annoyed at all this going apeshit stuff
Seriously, people, wait till the sky actually falls before you start running around in a panic please. So cali, I totally agree. Sometimes there's idealism and then there's practicality. WTF were people expecting? That Obama wave his hands and the world will automatically have all its problems solved? It's gonna take hard work on his and all of our parts. And yeah, he's a man who's not perfect so hopefully people will make up for those shortfalls but so far, he seems to be doing okay. It can't be helped that he's only the President-Elect and not the President proper-- constitutionally, Bush still has all the powers of the Executive branch. Why doesn't anyone notice that there's still no one properly keeping an eye on Bush and his antics? How the fuck is Obama and the new Democratic Congress going to clean up after Bush's mess if the current Congress refuses to do anything more than talk about solving problems now?

Anyway, I wish people would take all the scrutiny they're placing (unfairly imo) on Obama's every move now back onto Bush and the current Congress. Because unlike Obama who is a new hire, they're still supposed to be on the job!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:54 AM
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9. I've never expected
anything good from Obama; just not as bad as a republican administration.

If he ever surprises me by doing something I consider "good," I'll be thrilled.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:01 AM
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10. good. at least you're not one of the idiot whiners who complained
about Obama not being a liberal and now moronically complain about how he isn't appointing some super neato dennis style staff.

And just what do you consider good? Does closing Gitmo count? I'm betting that's not good enough for you. Surely reversing the ban on abortion information being allowed to family planning groups the U.S. funds won't be good enough. Now will, reversing hundreds of bush rules on the environment and other issues.

I'm betting that unless the Obama Justice Department prosecutes bush, cheney and others, nothing he does will be good enough for you.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:28 PM
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15. I haven't seen any indication that any of that will happen.
So far, I've seen him bringing in the DLC and republicans to set the course.

I have a letter from his staff in front of me that clearly indicates, contrary to his words, that he's not interested in hearing from some of us.

The talk so far about my profession, public education, makes me :puke:.

When he does something I consider good, I'll be sure to say so. I did, the one time he said something I agreed with, several months back.

For the record, I agree that U.S. students should be learning to speak more than one language.
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:08 AM
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12. You mean you have not been thrilled by......
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 09:13 AM by Rebellious Republica
a complete social revolution. Personally I have seen blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, men and women, from all walks of life come together like I have never seen in my almost half century of life. I have seen people smiling at each other, performing common acts kindness, such as opening doors, thanking each other, greeting one another rather than just passing each other by. I believe he has given ordinary everyday people hope, which has translated into and morphed into something more powerful than just governing a people. Have you not witnessed a change in just the basic way people are treating one another. I could go and on about the things that I have witnessed which are not front page headline stories. I feel sorry for you if you have not been noticing the all the changes that add up to something really monumental. Take time to stop and smell the roses, look around you and open your eyes. You may just be thrilled if you take the time to notice.

I am not flaming you, just trying to point out some what has me thrilled about this man and what he has already done.

:bounce:

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:24 PM
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14. I am thrilled
to know that the U.S. has evolved enough to elect a person of color.

I am not thrilled, to say the least, by Obama's vision of change. I'm more appalled by the day.

I'm appalled by the letter I got today from one of his aides, in response to my congratulations sent November 4th. That one will get it's own post sometime this week. Suffice it to say that, all noble talk to the contrary, he isn't listening.

I'm appalled at his gathering in of DLCers and Republicans to begin planning the transition and his administration.

I'm furious at what I'm hearing in regards to my profession: public education.

I've never been inspired by speeches and rhetoric. It's action, it's the issues, that I care about. I don't see any indication that an Obama administration is listening to the left on policy. When he talks about "bringing people together," he doesn't include the left, which he distanced himself from early on, in that interview in which he waxed eloquent in admiration of Ronald Reagan.

Funny, I believe he mentioned Reagan again this week.

His "bringing people together" means bringing centrist/dlc democrats together with republicans.

I've had enough of that. The change I envision for the nation is not of a unified centrist party running the show.


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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:03 AM
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11. I refuse to take imagined offense. When he ACTUALLY does anything, I'll discuss it.
I don't care for Emanuel, but understand why he's Obama's choice for SoS, so I even held my thoughts on that one.

He has yet to VERIFIABLE done anything besides choosing emanuel (not a B@L fave--but I understand why he was chosen) I'm concerned about--and most of the concern here is over pure, unadulterated pundit job security fluffery speculation.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:30 AM
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13. The Obama Logo is the Mark of The Beast!
Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 09:31 AM by Pryderi
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:32 PM
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16. Why do the OM's of so many threads ...
... read like replies these days? :crazy:

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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:35 PM
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17. Whatever... the whole purpose of this place is to second guess the pols..
come on now...take a look around... this is fantasy baseball camp for political junkies and every junkie (myself included) is entitled to express his opinion on these matters.


Doug D.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:35 PM
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18. No DUer here worships Obama. We all support him.
But I have to admit a small percentage of us have a tiny crush on him. :blush:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:16 PM
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23. I do! He is my messiah
Just kidding.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:58 PM
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20. You know I was one of the last to jump on the bandwagon...
And it wasn't until a couple of weeks before the election that I actually got the "inspirational speaker" deal. I was resistant, you might even say, to his "ways" and I always felt I had good reason to support him, that my support wasn't merely based on this inspiration deal I kept reading about.

Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than 99.99% of us. He knows what he is doing. I have faith, and I'm not going to lose it over cabinet appointments. His number one priority is to get things done... how the hell is he going to get everything done with a fully partisan cabinet? That would cause so much resistance he'd be mired in the BS forever!

Let the man do his job. We don't know what's in his mind, nor do we know every little detail of every decision. This is different, yes it is. This is called "change" fcol! Didn't we all want change?

:eyes:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 08:59 PM
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21. To hell with Clinton supporters and any others who use that line.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:01 PM
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22. I'm pretty tired of the insult, too. I support him. I don't agree with him on
a few things. I do agree with him on most things. Some things I wish he'd go further than he does. Some things I wish he'd pull back a little on.

Big deal. The only person I agree with 100% is me. What totally cracks me up is that people are making shit up to be angry about. They're even making up other people's responses to their made up shit and getting angry at that, too. Really freaky.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 11:02 PM
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24. What amuses me about this meme..
is that the same ones promoting it are also the same ones venerating Reagan in the same vein as a religious saint.

There is definitely a cult of Ronnie in the Republican party that is bizarre to say the least.

I mean I like Obama and all, but he is a man with faults. I've disagreed with some of his votes and I expect to disagree with him again in the future. But I believe that he is the best candidate that ran for the job.

And certainly people getting exicted over a candidate is nothing novel or new. I think that the Republicans are just upset that their heyday ended twenty years ago.



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