Why Do So Many Of You Worship Bill Clinton, Yet Call Edwards And Spitzer, Scum Of The Earth?

[malik flavors]

Is it just an issue of time? Is it something you personally have against Edwards and Spitzer? Why the exception for Bill Clinton?

Many have made the argument that Edwards is horrible because he ran for president with this skeleton in his closet. Well, should I remind you all that Bill Clinton WAS president when he had one of his many affairs? Maybe that's it, maybe Bill's had so many that we just forgive him for it now, we're so used to it. But, remember that it was Bill's infidelity that opened the door back up for conservatism, "family values," and George W. Bush.

I'm not saying these men should be forgiven, and i'm also not saying they should all be demonized, i'm just wondering why there is this exception to the rule. if you were ok with Bill Clinton being back in the white house and a close advisor to the Madame President, then you should also be ok with Edwards or Spitzer being in Obama's cabinet. Or, you should be against all of them playing a role in governmnet.

[joshcryer]

1. Many people are quite upset that he did what he did during a presidential campaign.

And they know that had he won the nomination (a long shot) he would not have won the election. This is quite ... upsetting, when you think about the ramifications.

However, I should say that DU isn't exactly happy with Clinton either, and that those who don't like the witchhunt after him only did so because it was backed by hypocritical right wingers.

[roguevalley]

104. since they all broke the most personal and important promise to their wives --

ie, keeping their penis in their pants-- they are deserve equal scorn. If we are to allow Bill a pass because he did other good things, then we are a part of the hypocracy. They all have done good things in their careers but they show with their weak characters how lucky the rest of us are not to be their wife, their daughter, their mother ... anyone who has to endure because of their ego and plain meanness a vast and unending public humiliation. My own feelings reside with the person screwed over, the kids, families and wives/husbands.

Isn't it amazing how people who have EVERYTHING --money, family, fulfilling work, etc-- can be a dick head anyway.

[blm]

133. True...but, 1996 was an election year, too, and Bill's affair started in 95.

Their risks actually were similar, but, Edwards should have used what happened to Bill as a gauge. We know he's smart and that his infidelity was an aberration not a pattern for him, but, running under this dark a cloud wasn't very bright.

[Ysabela]

139. You're forgetting the affair

that came out in the 92' race with Flowers. Bill was screwed had it not been for Ross Perot.

[blm]

143. No...I didn't forget that, but, Bush1 was no threat to Clinton on that. Bush WANTED to lose

and HAD to or face certain impeachment where more of his illegal operations would be revealed in a very public way.

Notice many of the most serious matters outstanding for Poppy Bush and his powerful cronies when Bill took office in Jan93 never reached even discussion stage in the mainstream media?

[democrattotheend]

2. I don't worship Bill Clinton AT ALL

I pretty much lost respect for him during the primaries, and I remembered that while his presidency seems like a dream compared to Bush, it really wasn't that great in a lot of ways, his personal behavior being just one of them. Hillary has won back a lot of my respect but Bill not so much. He did give a great speech at the convention but then he pissed me off again with the interviews he did in September.

[No Elephants]

115. Speeches at the Convention may well have been written by the Obama team.

[karynnj]

124. The Clinton weren't -

They were vetted by the Obama team which was said to have been happy with them. I doubt that the Clintons would put out the story that theirs were vetted - especially because there was the story that the Obama team did not pre-vet Kerry's speech.

[vanderBeth]

3. I always thought this was weird too.

I have come to the conclusion that DU is, as a whole, bipolar.

[w4rma]

117. The Clintons have created a cult of personality. The DLC does not like Edwards or Spitzer.

The DLC pushes anything to discredit folks who fight corporate corruption. The DLC have hitched their wagons to the Clintons.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. John Edwards Was DLC Until The Connestion Was Politically Inconvenient

Like many of the other issues he changed his position on when he ran for president.

[ieoeja]

174. Many of us supported the DLC ... when they were winning.

What I don't understand is the continued support once they started losing: presidential elections in 2000 and 2004, congressional in 1994, 2002 and 2004, and state legislatures and governorships in the '90s.

Even if that passed you by -- as it did me since my support continued (though increasingly lessened) through 2004 -- their actions since losing control of the party in 2005 was unacceptable; acting hand-in-hand with the GOP in attacking the Democratic party just because the party was now under the control of someone who had left the DLC.

And why did Dean leave the DLC? Because their tactics moved the Democratic party from the majority party nationally to a regional minority party.

I pretty much shut up on this topic during the election. But I always reassess my views following each election. I wish everyone else would as well.

Kucinich supporters ... I understand. They are fighting for issues. But the DLC has never argued their stances were right. They always argued their stances would (1) result in more cash for the Party and (2) win elections. Given that their electoral record is spotty (and trending worse) and that they are no longer even in the first tier of fund-raising, why this continued support?

The "first tier of fund-raising" was redefined two presidential elections in a row. Dean outraised Kerry in 2004 despite dropping out of the primary early. If he'd continued in a Clintonesque manner, he'd have raised a heck of a lot more. But we don't even have to speculate on Obama's fund-raising versus the DLC. He outraised Clinton by more than 5-to-1.

Did you ever stop to consider that Kucinch came closer to Clinton in fund-raising than Clinton did to Obama? Hell, in absolute numbers Gravel, Ron Paul and Bob Barr were closer to Clinton in fund-raising!

As I suggested (much) earlier maybe you should consider reassessing your support of the DLC. I did in 2004. Join us DemocratSinceBirth. You won't feel a thing ... except this warm feeling of eternal comfort and joy!

[TexasObserver]

4. Timing.

At least Bill didn't screw it all up until after his first five years as president, after winning two big elections.

I have been plenty upset with Bill for his indiscretions, but that was then and this is now.

Edwards lied to all of us who supported him, and his whole campaign was a lie because he was not Mr. I Love My Sick Wife. Spitzer was idiotic for doing it and for getting caught. He blew his future on chasing young prostitutes.

They both took themselves out of consideration. They know the world we live in. No one respects a politician who uses his wife and family for political purposes, then turns out to be a skirt chasing dirt bag.

[malik flavors]

6. I still think every argument you just used against Edwards and Spitzer could be used against Bill.

Bill was also Mr. I love my wife and family and was at the same time a skirt chaser.

Is it safe to say that a year from today you will have also forgiven Spitzer and Edwards? Because they seem to have all done the same thing.

[NYCGirl]

10. Really? Were you asleep during Clinton's first campaign? Everyone knew

what he was like.

[malik flavors]

16. He still attempted to present himself as a family man, and that's the point.

It's the deception, not what the reality was.

[NYCGirl]

21. Everyone with a pulse knew about Clinton. At least he was discreet during

the campaign, and was elected twice and was a reasonably good president, which is more than Edwards ever accomplished.

[Captain Hilts]

40. In DC folks also talked about GHWB's Jennifer Fitzgerald and...

James Baker and Margaret Tutweiler.

I'm trying to remember the others.

[TexasObserver]

17. As I explained, TIMING is the difference.

Edwards and Spitzer killed their political futures.

Bill Clinton only killed the last two years of his presidency.

If Bill Clinton had been caught in 1992 doing what Spitzer or Edwards were doing, he would not have been elected president. He had to live down his past, and the only thing that allowed him to do so was his apparently good conduct at that time. Edwards and Spitzer were both caught in the act. Big Difference.

[malik flavors]

20. The Jennifer Flower revelation came out in 1991.

[TexasObserver]

35. And just as I clearly said in the previous post, that was not ongoing.

You're simply not very good at understanding those pesky "likes" and "unlikes," are you?

[malik flavors]

45. Edwards affair wasn't going on during the primaries either.

[TexasObserver]

50. The baby was born in May, so YES, it was.

[Inspired]

51. Self delete

Nevermind

[last1standing]

12. You don't think it's possible to love your spouse and still have an affair?

The heart isn't that black/white. It can account for an entire slew of emotions without negating any of them.

[MichiganVote]

18. Then you'll understand people who love Bill or John or Elliott...

and still can't reconcile their actions. To each their own.

[last1standing]

22. I understand it. It's called cognitive dissonance.

That doesn't mean I shouldn't comment on it or state my own beliefs, does it?

[MichiganVote]

23. Ohhhh.. a little touchy aren't you friend? Try dialing it back a bit, nobody's pickin' on you.

[last1standing]

26. I feel aggrieved!

Sorry if I came across harsher than I meant. Try reading it again without hearing rabid shouting or sniffling. :)

[MichiganVote]

28. You're forgiven. :)

[Captain Hilts]

34. I actually think he loves Hillary. The look on his face when she made her speech was great.

And I've no doubt she's had days - weeks - when, if she owned him, she'd ah given him away.

But they've made it work and have a good kid. Amazing.

[Beacool]

78. Yep, Bill can be a total cad, but there's love in that marriage.

Anyone who's seen them interact up close knows what I mean. The way they look at each other at certain times speaks volumes. Bill is soooo proud of Hillary and they have a mutual admiration society when it comes to appreciating each other's intellect. Bill has always said that a) she was smarter than he was and b) that she was his closest adviser.

It may not be a traditional marriage, but then again, these are no ordinary people.

;-)

[last1standing]

90. Absolutely. This idea that every relationship has to be homogeneous is silly.

Of course Bill loves Hillary, just as John loves Elizabeth, but relationships are complicated and we all have our needs that sometimes can't be or aren't filled by our partners. Sometimes we make the right decisions and sometimes we don't. And sometimes the right decision isn't what others would perceive it to be.

In other words, judging someone else's personal life is not just difficult, it's impossible because we're dealing with human emotions, not machines.

[ShortnFiery]

96. If I were Hillary, I wouldn't let Bill touch or kiss me on the mouth ...

you don't know WHERE he's been, i.e., sexually transmittable disease. Staying married to a serial adulterer is "gross" to consider for most objective people ... they should be divorced if Bill can't stop whore hopping. :thumbsdown:

[ShortnFiery]

95. Oh please!?!

I don't know why these women stay with these serially cheating men. I'd leave and take HALF. I think the women of serial adulterers are co-dependent and that consideration seriously creeps me out. :scared: They need to exit PUBLIC life because it will be revealed in today's political world.

[last1standing]

100. You do that then. That's the great thing about leading your own life, you make your own decisions

But you don't have the right to make decisions for the Clintons, Edwards, or any other couple. That's what repubs try to do and what progressives reject. We don't go into the bedrooms of consenting adults.

Are you certain you're in the right place with views like those? :shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

113. No, it's the PUBLIC of "Public Service" ... we have a right to expect basic decency from our

representatives. I don't care if you're gay or straight, if you're married and a public servant, you should remain faithful to your partner. If not, your constituency has a right to judge you a person of low character and NOT re-elect you to office. Who knows, in Alaska you probably could wife-husband swap without recourse as long as you brought home "the pork?" :wow: However, in most parts of the USA, we expect our representatives to be faithful to their marriage partners.

All they have to do to be HONEST is declare their marriage "open."

Will the Clintons do that?

Didn't think so. :(

[snake in the grass]

119. What you fail...

...to understand is that it is nobody's business whether their marriage is open or not. We do not have a 'right' to know that. You sound more and more like a Republican when you claim to have a right to sniff around in other's private lives. Ever consider that your definition of marital faith was not set in stone?

[bitchkitty]

145. And who are you to define decency?

I don't know why you crotch-sniffers can't get one simple fact out of your head:

IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!! Just because that penis is attached to someone you may have voted for, doesn't make it yours. You have no say whatsoever in another person's private life.

[snake in the grass]

116. How do you know...

...Edwards doesn't love his wife? Because he diddled another woman? Who knows what goes on at the Edwards home. Perhaps she told him she wanted him to be happy after she died. Maybe she was ok with it. It's amazing how infantile U.S. Americans are about sex and how that silly attitude leads some of us to discard a politician entirely. I don't care what Edwards does with his organs of procreation and I find people who froth at the mouth about it are either immature or envious. Edwards has an excellent head on his shoulders for what has to be done to help the middle class and the poor. To let your prurient interest in the most private part of his life prevent you from recognizing that fact is simply foolish (to put it nicely).

[TexasObserver]

118. I'm omniscient. God told me.

[snake in the grass]

120. Well,

I can't argue with that.

[TexasObserver]

121. Would you agree that LOVE is action, not words?

Would you also agree that LOVE is commitment, not a swooning feeling of infatuation?

And would you agree that if one does not demonstrate LOVE by COMMITMENT, one is not demonstrating LOVE?

[snake in the grass]

134. I would agree...

...that my definition of love is something between me and my partner and that we alone decide how we want to structure our relationship. I would also agree that it is none of my business how other people live their lives. If the above is your definition of love and you have found a partner who shares those views, then I sincerely congratulate you. However, you should keep in mind that that is your world. Perhaps one of the biggest flaws in all of our characters is the tendency to project our own views onto others, assuming they share them, and then condemn them when they don't fit the mold. Furthermore, I find it outrageous to put Hillary down because she decided to stay with Bill (shit, that sentence could have come out of The Enquirer - oh, the shame!). None of us have had the opportunity to hide under their bed and listen to what they discuss. If they worked through it and are happy, then that's great. In any case I have better things to do than ponder the personal lives of others. I have my own flaws to deal with.

[Cosmic Charlie]

140. Bill screwed it up for Al Gore and the rest of us for the past 8 years

Edwards screwed up, but he didn't fuck the rest of us over in the process, like Billy Boy.

[TriMetFan]

173. I think you are very wrong on this.

Al screwed himself. He didn't want Bill campaigning with him, which was a dumb move. Bill with all his mistakes was still very popular. Al listened to traitor Lieberman.

[gristy]

5. It seems you are calling out a pretty small subset of DUers

There are certainly many who like Bill Clinton, and some who don't like Edwards, and others who don't like Spitzer. Is there one particular individual you have in mind who has all 3 of these views?

[malik flavors]

8. Well, post 4 already seems to fall in that category, and this thread only has 6 post so far.

[annabanana]

9. my thoughts too. .

As far as their indescretions are concerned, I have a hard time whipping up a frenzy of indignation tantamount to that called forth by the outrages we have suffered unter the relatively monogamous hand of Herr B*sh. .

[last1standing]

7. Clinton also had Genifer Flowers in his closet when he ran.

That could have cost us another four years of the first bush and his disastrous policies.

Personally, I think those who are attacking Edwards are those who were looking for an excuse to begin with. They want to blame him for the 2004 election instead of the person who really blew it, John Kerry. These people were usually either the most virulent Hillary supporters or Obama supporters, as well, and just can't stop the hate because it's all they know.

Really, each person's affairs are their own business, having absolutely no bearing on their ability to lead or make sound judgments. Bill Clinton was an incredible president and John Edwards would have done a tremendous job as well. So will Barack Obama.

And for the "but Elizabeth had cancer!!!!1111" crowd about to descend on us, we don't know what goes on in that relationship just as we have no idea what goes on with Bill and Hillary. Each person has made decisions based on stress, resentment, sadness, hope, love and lust, just like each of us here. I'd no sooner judge them than I would you and it's not your place to act as High Executioner, either.

[karynnj]

64. The rejection of Edwards has nothing to do with 2004

It has to do with EDWARDS and the fact that more than most everything was based on trust - because he did not have a record that matched his words. That trust is now gone. In addition, he lied.

2004 was NEVER going to be an easy win - Kerry worked his heart out and ran a good campaign that came very close to winning. Had there been more voting machines in Ohio or a stronger state party - Kerry would have pulled off an upset - in a race stacked against him.

No one is blaming Edwards for 2004 - he was a weak VP, but VPs don't make that much difference - and he was not a disaster. They are judging and blaming Edwards for Edwards actions.

[cali]

11. why do you pose a question based on a bullshit premise?

and I don't have a problem with Spitzer, but JE makes me puke. always did, always will. And his affair is not the reason why. Oh, and I sure as hell don't worship bill clinton- far from it.

[malik flavors]

15. How is it bullshit? Do not many Duers love Clinton yet hate what Edwards did?

If you look at a Edwards thread is 90% hate. If you look at a Bill Clinton thread it's 90% love.

This is truth, and you know it.

[joshcryer]

19. The number of DUers who like Bill Clinton are quite small indeed.

[Neshanic]

13. This will be good. I am staying out, but this should be quite amusing.

[SwampG8r]

107. want some of my popcorn?

furs gonna fly here soon
:popcorn:

[MichiganVote]

14. Hello? Bill Clinton was a horny bastard for sure but at least he didn't screw around

on his wife who happens to be dying of cancer WITH two little kids. Please......that's just sick.

Bill Clinton was a jerk where that woman in the WH was concerned tis' true. The rest of his administration was adequate if nothing else. After years of Republican rule he was better than the nothing we had known. People forget that or they were in elementary school or something.

Spitzer lost my support when he had his wife stand next to him during the press conference. If he was man enough to drop his shorts in private with another woman, he should have been man enough to stand at that podium all by himself. It was obvious she was in no state to be there. At least Hillary Clinton has been honest enough to admit she wanted to kill Bill Clinton.

[Drunken Irishman]

24. Why are you even comparing the two?

What Clinton did was ten years ago. Why not ask us about Edwards in ten years and let's see if we all have the same opinion. Also, Clinton did a lot for this country, Edwards not so much. What is Edwards biggest accomplishment?

I don't worship Bill Clinton, but I'm smart enough to realize he wasn't a bad president. Edwards? Well ten years hasn't passed since his fuck up and he hasn't done much of anything in my eye. Maybe if he had, it would be easier to accept his cheating.

[malik flavors]

25. So the more accomplished a person, the more acceptablt their infidelity?

Dang, i'm gonna get me 2 more jobs then so I can start sleeping around again.

Not trying to be rude, just making a point.

[Drunken Irishman]

109. I never said that.

However, Clinton did a lot to repair his image, Edwards has not. That is the difference.

Like I said, ask me in ten years and we'll see, but right now I think he's scum. Just as I thought Clinton was scum when he did it.

[Canuckistanian]

27. I was ASTOUNDED at the vitriol directed at Edwards around here

It was like Edwards personally promised marital fidelity to some DUers here.

I mean, we criticize Repubs all the time for cheating on their wives, but they deserve it because of the hypocrisy they display as self-appointed "guardians of morality". And I joined in with glee.

And do these people hold other professionals to such high standards? Would they drop their doctor if they found signs of infidelity? Their accountants? Their lawyers?

I thought being progressive meant being open-minded and progressive. And that means separating a leader's personal life from their professional life.

[saltpoint]

43. Not surprisingly, an extremely insightful and clear post.

One of your many, as far as that goes.

[Canuckistanian]

82. Thanks, OC

I do get up on my soapbox sometimes! :fistbump:

[tsuki]

132. The threads were so unhinged that I ended up hiding them. nt

[onehandle]

137. Few around here actually understand what progressive means.

And also need a lesson in Politics 101.

[Orsino]

141. I saved my vitriol for the apparent misappropriation of campaign funds...

...and the recklessness of having an affair with a campaign worker while running for the nomination in the Most Important Election Ever.

An affair hurts only those involved, plus family and friends. His risking throwing the election to McCain? Deal-breaker.

[Canuckistanian]

153. Was that written into a contract somewhere?

If he signed such a contract, he's an idiot. And you would be too.

Sure, I understand the potential damage something like this does to a political reputation. And he got a good bashing in the press and from Repubs. Whoops, there I go being redundant.

But do Dems have to join in on the bashing?

Elizabeth forgave him for this. What gives us the right to be morally outraged?

[Orsino]

154. What do contracts have to do with anything?

It was up to Edwards to win our votes, and to please us, or not. He didn't please all of us, even some of us who really, really wanted him to be president.

As I said in my previous post, the pain he caused his family and close acquaintances isn't what fed my outrage. He let the rest of us down when he (apparently) misappropriated campaign funds--for which he very carefully has not asked forgiveness--and risked tipping the presidency to another goddamned Republican with behavior he knew could cost him the election. Who says I don't have the right to be angry?

It's a shame that this stupid, selfish behavior has completely nerfed his fight against poverty. I hope to see him back at work on that, because he seems to be the only candidate who thinks it the most important fight of all.

I thought he would make a fine president.

[Canuckistanian]

155. And did JFK "misappropriate capmpaign funds"?

Because JFK was a professional bigamist.

And HE DID make a fine president, DESPITE his unfaithfulness.

But I get your gist.... JFK was unlikely to get caught. The press never lowered themselves to moralize against personal standards back then.

My point is, the personal should be separate from the professional. JFK's example proves to me that you don't have to be a private saint to be a great public leader.

[Orsino]

157. I don't know. Did he?

Did campaign money find its way to mistresses, or to mistresses' friends/relatives/etc.? I've never heard that charge.

"Bigamist" is not anything I've ever heard before in connection with JFK, either. He's supposed to have had affairs--but one more time: I'm not outraged over mere affairs. Bigamy, if you think it actually occurred, would be a much more serious offense.

Separating the personal from the political is a good thing, IMO, but Edwards was hot-dogging. He knew what would happen to his presidential campaign were he discovered, and he added to that the funneling of contributions from supporters to his lover. He didn't just have an affair--he sent the bill to the people who enabled him to run, who didn't know that he was risking it all for some nookie. Or for romance, or for whatever it was. His story is still inconsistent with the timeline we know of.

This wasn't change; this was lies and corruption. We need leaders who can abandon the politics of the past, and Edwards was revealed, to my sorrow, to be a purveyor of the Same Old Thing in spite of his great vision and tireless efforts on our behalf.

[saltpoint]

29. Ya got 3 different Democrats, all with penises.

Across centuries, it does seem as if genitalia serve to spice up the political proceedings, however, it seems at least as arguable that they are not really directly connected.

This is not to suggest that sexuality and power are not related, only that assessments of one do not necessarily accord with the value of the other.

Also a lot depends in the same glance through history if you are more inclined to the Inquisitorial authority or the woman taken in adultery in the New Testament. If you tilt toward authoritarian puritanism, you want those witches burned post-haste. If you are more able to navigate moral relativity, you stand between the angry crowd with stones and the poor woman down in the pit.

We may not ever have known about Monica Lewinsky had it not been for the betrayal by Linda Tripp, her "friend," who made so a strenous effort to use Monica Lewinsky to cajole Starr back to Washington to begin a process that the vengeful Tripp believed would end in Clinton's disgrace and impeachment.

Spitzer was making it very hot for fat-cats here, there, and everywhere, and quite of a sudden we learn that he visits prostitutes. IMO that news came to the media through channels with a vested interest in just how much scrutiny those same fat-cats were receiving. "Don't point your finger at us fat-cats, Governor, when you're the one getting your extra-marital wiener getting basted."

John Edwards was very keen at listening to the concerns and worries of wage-earning Americans. When we are a more just society we generate attention to people who are disenfranchised. His campaign strongly insisted on that idea and his affair with a woman other than his wife does not diminish the import of the national imperative against poverty.

The History Channel sometimes plays older addresses given by John F. Kennedy. Perhaps John Kennedy had a fling with Marilyn Monroe. Perhaps he didn't. I wasn't there so I offer no evidence one way or the other. But his penis aside, those addresses from the 1960s still stop me in my tracks and remind me that at its very best, this is an inspired and formidable nation.

[Catch22Dem]

30. Your entire post is based on an assumption

That the SAME DUers who love Clinton, hate Edwards and Spitzer. Unless you can provide some evidence of that, then the post is a wash.

I liked Clinton in the 90s and I like him today. I have liked Edwards from the start, and that hasn't changed. I don't know enough about Spitzer to say whether I care for him or not, but I can tell you my determination will have nothing to do with where he puts his pecker.

[malik flavors]

32. Read the thread. There are many that defend Clinton in one breath and demonize Edwards in the next.

[Captain Hilts]

42. Like Gingrich divorcing her wife on her potential deathbed, Edwards screwing around with ...

a seriously sick wife violates all kinds of codes of conduct.

[Clio the Leo]

31. The only dude *I* worship is that unrepentant nose-kisser....

I woulnd't say I worship Bill nor do I think John is the scum of the Earth. I dislike those two aspects of their personalities, but they're still better than any Republican out there. :)

I might give Bill a little more reverence simply because he was, otherwise, a wonderful president. And the station of President is always deserving of a bit more respect than any other elected official (presuming said President doesn't stain the office with the blood of 4,000 service men and women.)

[Captain Hilts]

33. Bubba never claimed to be a puritan. Spitzer and Edwards did. nt

[malik flavors]

Edwards claimed to be a puritan?

He said he loved his wife and kids, but so did Bill.

[Captain Hilts]

38. A happily, loving, married man - with a sick wife, yeah. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

48. edwards couldnt judge whether homosexual were moral or not

meanwhile cheating on his wife. i love his stance on poverty but i really just didnt like that man

[TankLV]

52. FUCKING EDWARDS PUBLICLY REBUKED CLINTON FOR WHAT HE H IMSELF WAS DOING!!!

EDWARDS IS A FUCKING HYPOCRIT!

President Clinton NEVER did that. Never.

It was NOBODY's business what he did. Period.

Fucking Edwards thought it was HIS business to pass judgement on President Clinton!

See how that works?

No, I bet you don't...

[karynnj]

68. I can't believe I am defending Edwards -- but those words were

from the Senate record where most Senators explained their vote. The Republicans could speak of legal niceties and vote yes. The Democrats ALL followed the same pattern - of having 2 parts - a big part explaining why it did not reach to high crimes and misdemeanors - with many different carefully explained reasons - and the second condemning Bill Clinton - either because he lied under oath or the affair. Then they said they were voting "no"

The fact is the majority of Americans likely did think Clinton's actions were wrong on many many levels. All of these Seantors wanted their own disgust registered with their home states. To me the fascinating thing there is what each objected to or how they said it - more than most subjects, it revealed something about the Senators.

The thing to remember is that Bill Clinton put all of them in the position of having to weigh in on this - because he thought he could lie under oath - because no one could prove it was a lie. It also doesn't depend on what "is" is - he also said they were never alone in the Oval Office - and all of us have a good idea what alone means.

[TankLV]

72. Still trying to defend the indefensible...it's called HYPOCRICY!

THE FUCKING HYPOCRICY.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Clinton never condemned ANYBODY for their personal behavior.

THAT's the difference.

FUCKING edwards did...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. i call all of it "none of my business"

[desktop]

37. I have no problem with Edwards or Spitzer being in the cabinet

Both of these guys have issues with their wives, that shouldn't disqualify them from office. If Obama needs them, he can have at it. They got horny, it happens.

[msongs]

39. each of them got what was coming to him at the time...

spitzer chose to resign as governor tho he could have stayed in office.

edwards was out of the race already and just looked like a major hypocrite.

clinton received his punishment in public as a stain on his record.

each committed an adulterous act, each received punishment.

I would not vote for spitzer, edwards, or clinton if put in a position to do so.

Msongs

[tabbycat31]

41. should sex life even matter?

Seriously, I don't care if a politician has an affair with every hooker on the Vegas strip. If it dosen't affect the way he does his job (I'm using he here because I have yet to hear about a female politician sleeping around, perhaps she does exist), then why should we care?

[Captain Hilts]

44. If it makes them vulnerable to blackmail it does. nt

[SwampG8r]

108. and theres the rub

if we dont care
if we seperate the public from the private
what is there to blackmail about?

[Whoa20]

46. I don't view any of them as scum, but rather MEN

and even as a male myself, I know that men, who are driven in large part in life by sex and power, fall tempted to have sex with other women. It happens due to many things, not necessarily the desire to cause malice. It may because of the thrill, attraction, or quick gratification their wives may be holding off. I honour Bill Clinton because of his accomplishments and achievements, for our country, and for our party. While it may have hurt Al Gore, Bill Clinton added many states to our electoral college base, like PA, MI, NH, NJ, VT, ME, CA, CT, IL, DE, and MD, all of which went for Reagan and Bush I in 1988, and Nixon in 1972, and mostly for Nixon in 1968. He helped our party immensely with those states, suburban voters, and especially in Nassau, Fairfield, Westchester, SE Pennsylvania, and CA, which built up our party, and he did so by cleaning our image on welfare, crime, and the economy. I'd dare to call 1992 a realignment election primarily due to him shifting these states firmly into Dem hands for the last 16 years, and they are likely to stay that way, starting with him. He gave us a large surplus and a foundation on which Dems will try to run the economy, he empowered ethnic minorities and women in politics, which all paved the way for people like Barack Obama. His reputation is largely unscathed today, and he is immensely respected around the world. While I can't say any of that for Edwards and Spitzer, I don't think they are scum.

[karynnj]

73. 1992 would have happened with ANY Democrat

ANY Democrat would have won 1992 - GHWB was at 33% near the election - and below 40 for most of the year.

[Whoa20]

87. not Tsongas, Kerrey

or Brown. Congress was just as unpopular as Bush in 1992, and if Tsongas or Brown had won the nomination, Bush would have tried to make it a referendum on Congress on the basis of their votes, and given Kerrey's lack of charisma, Bush could have won. Not to mention that Kerrey and Tsongas would not have been New Democrats or pulled in any new regions and Clinton did that year. None of them could have won a single southern state, making Bush's electoral college job much easier. Clinton's youth helped too and he got out the young vote for him by many points, Kerrey would not have done so.

[karynnj]

89. Brown was a GOVERNOR of CA

No one ever really blames a specific Senator for the unpopularity of the Senate - it was very low this year and hurt neither Obama or McCAin in getting the nominations.

There is no reason to think that Kerrey or Tsongus wouldn't have won every Kerry 2004 state and Ohio.

[blm]

135. Bush NEEDED to lose in 1992 or face certain impeachment when BCCI report was released in Dec1992.

It was worth it for him to lose, especially since his longtime pal (and fellow BCCI figure) Jackson Stephens had his boy in Arkansas ready to step up. Funny how the many serious matters left outstanding and the report itself ended up deep-sixed throughout the 90s. Funnier still, how Bill managed to not include ONE WORD about BCCI matters in his entire book, yet Stephens, Marc Rich, Bin Ladens, and AQ Khan and a host of other thugs were all part of the report. How did that work out for America in the long run?

I wish more than anything else that Harkin or Tsongas had won the nomination back then, but, the powerstructure had its player and did his best for them.

[AzNick]

47. Edwards had this big skeleton in his closet and ran anyway

Think for a second of what would have happened if he had won the nomination?

[TankLV]

49. What I don't understand is the irrational HATRED of some for Clinton...

That's the more pertinenet question.

Peace, Hope, and Prosperity were SOOOOO bad, right?

Unlike Spitzer and Edwards in particular, Clinton never held himself out as some sort of role model.

That fucking scum Edwards in particular SCOLDED Clinton PUBLICLY for what he himself was doing AT THE SAME TIME!

Clinton never went on a "holier than thou" crusade against ANYBODY!

Fucking Edwards in particular, and Spitzer, are fucking HYPOCRITS of the first order.

THAT'S WHY!

I surprised we have to explain it to you all...

[malik flavors]

55. So the act itself is forgiveable in your opinion?

[MadBadger]

63. Jesse Jackson won the South Carolina primary...didnt he?

I think comments like that added to the hatred.

[Beacool]

79. Since he DID win SC twice, the hatred was one sided.

:shrug:

[quickesst]

53. Perhaps.....

..if Edwards or Spitzer had actually accomplished 1/10 of what Clinton did toward the betterment of this country and it's people, others might have been a little more forgiving. To compare Clinton with Edwards is, well, kind of stupid. Clinton did not run any of his campaigns simultaneously with an affair that produced a love child. He was elected first, then succumbed to temptation. Big difference. On the other hand, Clinton fever does bring out the ability of some to express their hatred of the Clintons in such a manner as not to look too obvious. This distinct ability seems to be the only characteristic enhanced by the malady, but it obviously comes at a price. Thanks.
quickesst

[genna]

54. I don't think private lives need to be on display for candidates b/c ordinary people hold them to

such high standards. Private lives are the politicians' business.


Bill Clinton made me rethink my support during impeachment. I think it was his anger at the Republicans bringing it up. If he did various sex acts with this neophyte, how could he be righteously indignant that someone stuck him in the eye with it? I was mad at the Republicans wasting millions of dollars trying to find an impeachable offense. But some shame and a little humility could have gone a long way for Mr. Cigar...it was easier for me to be less nosy when I didn't know those little fascinating details.


This election cycle has made rethink what having the first black president means to me especially when he could not accept BHO. By what standard did AAs accept Bill Clinton, Sister Souljah and all?


Anyway, I just tend to think we should be consistent. If our mouths were closed when Bill created DNA stains on dresses, then a love child mixed with an ailing wife seems to be less deplorable especially when the mother has to worry about how well her two young children will be taken care of upon her death by that philanderer...


When you look at it, what Elliot Spitzer did was kind of calculated burn: slack the lust without ruining prostitutes' personal lives. Monica's name will burn forever, but the paid sex workers were just doing their jobs without accepting the bare back request. Isn't it more responsible to go to a woman who agrees to exchange sex acts for a straight forward remittance than women who go into these marriages thinking they are getting THE WHOLE PACKAGE?


By that standard can anyone really accept that there is a whole package when it comes to political marriages. There is a separate career until the candidate becomes a presidential candidate. Then the personal smears on the candidate's shortcomings become the scarlet A seared into the spouse's forehead.


Tell me again, why anyone would want to have their personal lives examined again by such a forgiving public?



I feel pretty cynical now that this rambling piece of trash post (mine fault alone) is done.

[TK421]

56. I don't worship Bill Clinton, although he was a great president

what I think you are seeing here about Edwards is the TIMING of his announcement of the affair and the potential it could have had to damage our party and any credibility to him while he was running.

I always liked the guy...he fucked up, admitted it and we need to move on...I'm just glad that the admission came out when it did; can you imagine if he was in Obamas shoes right now and that admission came out now? At least THAT'S out of the way.

[Mz Pip]

57. I don't worship Bill Clinton

I think he wrecked his legacy and pretty much cost Al Gore the Presidency. I think Clinton fatigue may have cost Hillary the nomination.

It's about the lying and the hypocricy. We nail the Repugs on this when they do it and I am not one for double standards.

[pnwmom]

58. It's the hypocrisy. We knew that Bill Clinton was a philanderer when we

elected him the first time. No one really cared. Clinton never was a holier-than-thou type.

But Edwards campaigned as a wonderful family man with a perfect marriage. Then he cheated on his DYING wife. Yuk.

[malik flavors]

62. So the act itself is forgivable in your opinion?

[pnwmom]

70. The act itself has nothing to do with someone's qualifications

to be President.

And the vast majority of previous Presidents had probably "indulged." Clinton was the first to get dragged through the MSM.

[glitch]

59. Cheating on a wife who is fighting for her life puts him in John McCain / Newt Gingrich territory.

It adds a level of creepiness that Bill Clinton didn't have to sink to.

I say this as a former Edwards supporter who never much cared for Clinton. I have no problem with Spitzer (unless as one DUer said he went after prostitution prosecutions hard, in which case he's a hypocrite but still not in McCain-Gingrich territory).

[Muttocracy]

60. Clinton's was far worse because it involved a government employee

so it's in the realm of sexual harassment (due to supervisor-supervisee status).

Plus Monica was his daughter's age.

I am pissed off at all of them, but Clinton is the worst of those three.

On edit - I should say in terms of how it affects citizens. Edwards' is the worst in terms of impact on his wife and family given her cancer.

[NashVegas]

84. Any Reason to Hate Clinton ...

[MadBadger]

61. Spitzer Shouldnt be in this group.

The issue with him is that he went after Prostitutes and got burned for actually going after them..in the illegal way.

[rucky]

65. Maybe it's not the same people?

[saltpoint]

66. Some hinge questions pertain.

-- Do you believe prostitution should be decriminalized / should be made legal?

-- If each state gets to decide on the penalty for prostitution, aren't the provisions in anti-prostitution laws rendered obsolete if a john or prostitute cross state lines to complete a transaction?

--If you believe prostitution should be illegal and that public servants should resign / be prosecuted for soliciting sex, then should the same laws not apply to all professional across all walks of careers? If a governor solicits a prostitute and is forced to resign, should the same standard not hold for a 7-11 clerk or a concert violinist or a truckstop waitress?

--Is the public permitted judgment upon public servants who are accused of adultery or prostitution because those figures are public figures, or is it more a case of the public's prurient interest?

--Why is prostitution illegal if laws prohibiting it are so unenforceable?

--Is it reasonable to oppose the War on Drugs and still oppose prostitution?

[mwei924]

67. Spitzer was using hookers, which is illegal. Edwards and Clinton were just douchebags within the law

I don't see a huge difference between Clinton and Edwards other than the fact that Edwards' wife had/has cancer. Then again, Clinton has done it repeatedly over many years. They both denied it at first (i.e. lied). Put their party and their worthy causes at risk. Edwards had a good message about poverty, but now, will people really take him seriously anymore? But honestly, that's true of any politician who cheats. They know that if they get caught, all the things they were fighting for gets lost in the scandal.

Well, at least now we have a President who has a good message/policies AND who really is a devoted family man.

[Occam Bandage]

69. Edwards' affair has little to do with why he's a scumbag; he's a scumbag because he's a phony.

Spitzer's affair was rank hypocrisy, given his crusading against prostitution rings.
Bill Clinton's affair had nothing to do with anything.

[Beacool]

71. There is a difference.

I have not criticized Edwards, but he deeply disappointed me, particularly due to Elizabeth's ill health. Also, Bill never stood as the "family values" guy wagging a condemning finger at other sinners.

Spitzer is an entirely different story. He went after people's jugular, made many enemies and prosecuted people for the same crime he was also committing. He's a hypocritical jerk who antagonized so many people in NY that no major politician spoke on his behalf. He forgot that what goes around, comes around.

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

74. For me, it's that JE WAS MY HOPE (once DK was out), and he DASHED it, at this CRUCIAL TIME.

[ecstatic]

75. Oral sex vs. Prostitutes vs. Getting another woman pregnant

gee... I dunno :rofl:

[Beacool]

81. Yeah, Bill's sin was more at a teenage level.

As angry as I was at the time, I never lost faith in him as president. I just wanted to smack him upside down the side of his head and yell at him to grow up!!! LOL!!!!

:D

[PBS Poll-435]

93. That was my reaction in a nutshell nt

[JI7]

101. most of the criticism Clinton got was that he didn't get someone who was more attractive

it's funny now that i think about it. everyone just kind of knew or expected he would cheat again.

[karynnj]

127. He wasn't a teenager with another teenager though

The things that bother me was that he lied under oath, the conversation with Currie, "reminding her of her memories, that she worked for the administration and that it was in the oval office, and the fact that he lied to the country for 6 months. As to what bothered me most with Clinton as a person is that it was completely impersonal on his side - there did not even sound like there was any real affection - while he knew she was completely infatuated with him. When it was exposed, his first action was to scapegoat her. His actions ultimately hurt both Hillary and Lewinsky.

Lying, blaming or scapegoating others is unattractive - even though he is charismatic. It was easier to see how unattractive this year, because I was taken in. For me, there will always now be a mixed legacy. IMO,he was a moderately good to good President, but he is not a nice person - and Lewinsky is just a small part of that assessment.

[malik flavors]

98. Bill's had multiple affairs. n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

102. So, there are levels of infidelity? Once you cheat, isnt that cheating

no matter what the sex turned out to be? And wouldnt a prostitute be better than the others. Their is no love involved, just a sexual act.

[ecstatic]

142. Sadly, yes. All 3 would be booted from my life

but there are degrees of cheating and some things are just unforgivable. And I strongly disagree on the prostitute point. Who knows what diseases he brought home with that choice.

[OwnedByFerrets]

152. Or didnt. I am not condoning it, just saying that we cant know

all the circumstances. Hell, for all we know, they had an arrangement.

[blm]

136. Bill had MULTIPLE affairs for decades - Edwards' affair was an aberration. Horrific timing, but,

still an aberration.

[mtnsnake]

162. Why are you spreading Right Wing gossip on this forum? And why are you sticking up for Edwards?

Other than the Monica thing, all you have to go by with Bill's "affairs" is heresay, and here you are making the same claims as all the right wing liars like Limbaugh and Hannity, claims that you can not prove.

Not only was Edwards having an affair, cheating on his wife and admitting it, but I just can't imagine how that scumbag could cheat on his wife when she was so seriously ill with a disease that could kill her. Cheating is bad enough in itself, but to cheat on a woman whose health was that bad is simply unimaginable. Now THAT'S some wonderful support he gave her there.

John Edwards is phony from his toes to his eyeballs, always was, and always will be. Populist candidate my ass.

[blm]

164. Baloney - his affair with Flowers and Miss Arkansas were admitted, not gossip.

And the point about Edwards is that his affair was still an ABERRATION.

BTW - Edwards may have a phony side to him, but Bill is an ENORMOUS phony who protected BushInc throughout the 90s and bolstered and defended Bush2 PUBLICLY on his terrorism and Iraq war decisions from 2001-2007 and THEN pretended he was against the war as he campaigned for Hillary.

[mtnsnake]

165. Show me the links. I'll wait to see what you come up with.

Please show me links where Clinton admitted to affairs with those two women, and I don't mean any opinions from bloggers. I want legitimate links, thank you.

[blm]

166. geez...where have you been? Even snakes slithered out from their rocks when the heat of the

affair stories spread across the land.

He admits the affair with Flowers as a mistake in his book. Apparently you love Clinton but never bothered to READ his book. He doesn't mention Miss Arkansas Elizabeth Ward, but the RW tried to claim he raped her, and she made a public statement that the sex was consensual. She ADMITTED that and still supported him.

[mtnsnake]

167. Again, no links by you. Why am I not surprised?

He admits the affair with Flowers as a mistake in his book

Well can't you at least supply us with the passage from his book that shows him admitting to his affair with Flowers?

What about the other woman? You don't have any links on that one, either, that showed Clinton admitting to an affair with her?

[blm]

168. So, I'm right...you never bothered to read your HERO'S book....hahah. Google it, or BUY the book.

And unlike his other ready denials...Clinton never denied Elizabeth Ward's admission to consensual sex - an admission she made in order to knock down RW claims that he raped her.

Google, mr. snake.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/25/clinton.gracen/

[mtnsnake]

170. Did I say I ever read the book?

:wtf:

[blm]

171. The point is that you always defend him mightily as a heroic figure yet you never even READ his book

so why challenge those of us who HAVE and came away with a completely different view of a man many of us ONCE defended mightily as well?

[dsc]

76. Of the three Spitzer broke the law

while Clinton didn't, and Edwards probably didn't. So that explains Spitzer. As to the difference between Clinton and Edwards, Clinton never pretended he had a story book marriage, nor did he put his family life as front and center as Edwards did, that said, I thought Clinton should have resigned when the affair first broke and only changed my mind upon learning of the right wing's tactics.

[littlebit]

77. Because Bill is the mack daddy.

He didn't have to pay for it and he never cheated on his dying wife.

[Hippo_Tron]

80. Because Edwards and Spitzer were destroyed by the media and Clinton fought back

While DUers like to think that their opinions aren't influenced by the mainstream media, they are. Edwards and Spitzer surrendered in the battle with the media before it even started whereas Clinton managed to fight back and salvage his reputation at least somewhat. Certainly it's helpful when you have the bully pulpit of the presidency and your scandal doesn't involve hookers, though.

[Catherine Vincent]

83. Get real! No one here worships former President Bill Clinton.

Besides, Barack Obama is the President-elect now. Get over it.

[NashVegas]

85. I Don't. I Didn't.

They disappointed me but no, I never called them scum. I think all of them are capable of great good and as for Edwards and Spitzer, I'd welcome their future contributions to justice.

[JI7]

86. Everyone knew Bill Clinton cheated and he didn't claim to be some moral family man

in Spitzer's case he went after prostitution .

[Bad Thoughts]

88. I don't call them, and I am not scum of the Earth

Could you watch where you place commas, please?

[THUNDER HANDS]

91. Clinton cheated for years and hillary stood by him

so it wasn't a shock when he did it in the white house.

Edwards cheated on his cancer-stricken wife, which is just flat-out low.

Spitzer used a prostitute.

All three are of fairly low moral character, but at least Clinton was the most talented and charming of the bunch.

[ShortnFiery]

92. I don't care much for the character of all three men.

If you can't keep your hormones in check you shouldn't run for PUBLIC office.

In modern times, everything you do will be revealed. You either accept that and check your behavior or move out of the public spotlight.

Your past doesn't have to be perfect, but when you serve "the public" then they will know ALL. :shrug:

p.s. IMO we should all be able to OWN UP to our bad behavior. At least accept that we've made some bad judgment calls and try to behave better. Those who represent us should uphold high moral standards. At least they should be single if they can't be true to one partner. :(

[bertman]

94. Clinton: they don't call him Big Dawg for nothing. He made me so angry because he was

foolish enough to be indiscreet knowing full well the Republicans had him under a microscope. He did a lot of good things but he also gave us a LOT of bad such as NAFTA, the telecom consolidation, Iraq sanctions for 8 years. But he was a thinker and a doer and he lead a prosperous America. Bill lost me during the primaries this year and with his spoiled brat act over Obama's campaign victory. He won me back with his speech at the Convention and the last night before the election in Florida.

Spitzer is a hero to my way of thinking. Took on the financial powers-that-be and tried to help turn things around. Too bad he got caught doing what a lot of adults do.

Edwards is from my state. He ran for Senator on the pledge to work hard for the people of North Carolina. He ran hard for John Edwards. Cost us his seat to the Republicans. I never trusted him because he seemed more ambitious than most politicians--and that's saying something. I can't judge him too harshly on his affair. That's between him and Elizabeth. Maybe I would feel differently about him if Kerry had won, but I think his populist persona was more of a campaign tactic than the real deal.

[RollWithIt]

97. Personally, I want to move beyond the politics of personal destructruction... BUT...

Bill Clinton got his wanker sucked by an intern, and it gave us George W Bush.

Elliot Spitzer paid multiple hookers in multiple states to do whatever he wanted whenever he wanted it.

John Edwards. Damnit John. Why run for President again when you knew? What if you'd won Iowa?

[Jakes Progress]

99. So I guess

you also hate John Kennedy and Franklin Roosevelt. Is is only Truman and Carter that you love? How about the impotent republicans like Nixon who were "faithful" simply because they couldn't do anything? Love them too.

Timing is it. Up until Clinton, presidents (kings, princes, prime ministers) all messed around. Not admirable, but it seems to be a part of the power thing. Always have been. Most of the world knows this, and whether they like it or not, they don't let a man's sex life influence their opinion of his political use.

But the republicans changed that. They needed to witch hunt to go after the most popular president in recent history. They spent millions of your tax dollars and all they could get was sex. The fact that so many republican leaders were doing the same thing didn't deter them. And some portions of the American public, the same ones who love watching Jerry Springer, fell for it. Mainly, those like the OP who have a bee in their bonnet over Bill. Up until Bill, it didn't matter.

What Edwards and Spitzer did is ignore the reality of today's politics. After the republicans work on Bill, that stuff is just stupid. Cheating on your wife with cancer and chasing hookers these days is something only fools aor people who want to be caught do.

Bill was a jerk, but his jerkness was not politically stupid. Edwards and Spitzer were stupid.

[Jennicut]

103. Because he cheated on his wife with an intern, not when she had cancer and not with hookers?

Bubba did wrong, we all know that. But he was already prez and the Rethugs were going to impeach him over sex when the running of the country was more important. With Edwards, it was terrible as Elizabeth is suffering from cancer and it seemed like he had a great relationship with her. Spitzer was a hypocrite who did what he tried to investigate. Bill was always known as fooling around, so was Arnold Schwarzenegger and he got elected too. Its hard to compare and understand why some scandals have an impact and some don't. That all being said I'm am glad we have two seemingly faithful loving husbands in Barack and Joe.

[ShortnFiery]

105. Yes, with an early 20s SUBORDINATE government employee. I'd say "a hooker" would be a step up

on the ethical ladder. :eyes:

[Spectral Music]

106. Hey I like Spitzer

I think he got a raw deal. Maybe his firing was related to the stock market problems?

[SwampG8r]

110. duzy!!

[girl gone mad]

111. Just a theory..

but maybe it's because Clinton is the only one of the 3 men that women actually find sexually appealing.

Spitzer's cheating is less forgivable because he's physically repulsive. Edwards comes off as kind of smarmy and his wife is terminally ill, which makes him untouchable to women of good conscience.

I know it's shallow and probably controversial, but I do think women are more accepting of bad boy behavior in men they find physically attractive. Clinton was a tall, smooth talking, handsome man.

[mwei924]

112. I think Edwards was seen as more physically appealing.

I never saw Bill Clinton as attractive. He had a lot of charisma and personality but he wasn't really that good-looking. I don't know anyone who thought of him as attractive JUST on looks.

Edwards was always seen as a pretty boy. He's not that good-looking to me either, but the media certainly saw him that way.

[No Elephants]

114. Bill Clinton also ran for President with Genifer Flowers in his

closet. I am okay with Obama's having anyone in his cabinet he chooses. But people here pushing for one person or another seems...

I also think it odd that people here seem to think they know which politician "really" loves his spouse. As far as conveying emotions, they are as good as actors with facial expressions, gestures, etc., especially when they know the camera is on.

The need to believe seems to be a powerful drive.

If Obama has an affair, do we turn on him?

[AtomicKitten]

122. I'm not big on any politician's reckless infidelity. It never ends well.

[seabeyond]

123. prove "many people worship clinton". if i didnt have to support clinton, i would NOT have

i did it cause what the repugs did was ALL bad. piised me off i had to support a man i thought a pig because of what the repugs did.

beyond that

personal and political are seperate.

[yourguide]

125. My issues with this...

1. Spitzer, I am angry with spitzer, he did a great job but you must practice what you preach. Because he couldnt keep it in his pants I now have a new Governor, that I think I like. What he did was hypocritical a la republicans.

2. Edwards is dead to me, you cheat on your wife and you get knocked down a notch or two in my book. You cheat on your DYING wife and you're scum. period.

[Marrah_G]

126. I don't demonize any of them.

I think Bill was a great President. I still respect what Edwards was fighting for. Who he slept with is between him and his wife.

I am glad he dropped out of the race when he did though, as the affair could have cost us the election.

But I think the answer to your question is that the Edwards affair came as a real shock to supporters here. Elizabeth is loved and admired here and she is also ill. The shock is still new, the wound is still fresh and in time that will fade.

[Resuscitated Ethics]

128. Sex needs to be decriminalized

Illicit and illegal and 'immoral' sex are too easy and convenient to be used as political weapons. And non-procreative sex is too addictive to quit. That's my humble opinion.

Also, Clinton gets a pass. The government was closed that day. Ever been a Federal worker during a shutdown? If you do go to work it is as if aliens made off with EVERYONE. Truly weird.
Edwards totally gets a pass (something I might reconsider if my idol Elizabeth had kicked him to the curb--she didn't, so MYOB people).
Spitzer needs to do a tell-all. WTF do you GET with a 4k hooker that couldn't happen with about 22 minutes of pay-per-view? Oh yeah. I bet it was worth it too.

I have no problem with any of these seasoned politicians serving in any capacity in the new white house. Time to focus on CRIME, not non-violent sex crime.

Fuck the morals police.

[alwysdrunk]

129. Because Bill Clinton is the fuckin man!!

Spitzer and Edwards are just a couple of guys who fucked up.

Bill fucked up too but he got out of it because.... he's the fuckin man!!!

Got it?

[Catherine Vincent]

144. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[phleshdef]

130. I'm not down on anyone over personal stuff. But I wonder if the Clintons' don't have an "agreement"

I've kind of always thought that maybe Bill was "allowed". It wouldn't be the first time we had a couple of swingers in the White House.

I could be wrong but I've always suspected something like that.

[mtnsnake]

131. Clinton was a great pres, Spitzer could've become pres, & Edwards was as phony as a $2 bill

Any other questions?

[Resuscitated Ethics]

138. phony as a $5 dollar bill, no wait-- a ten!

[JuniperLea]

146. Because it's still a free country...

... like or dislike of politicians is fairly subjective... and no one politician can please all of the people all of the time.

Elementary, really.

[quispismanna]

147. We already knew Bill was a horndog from Jump Street

You know how Edwards would always squint when he was being so "genuine?" He acted as if he was sooo above-board. Clinton always gave off that oily vibe, not to mention he charmed the *ahem* pants off of us. And let's face it--a woman dying of cancer trumps an ambitious, tough-as-nails broad getting cheated on...

[HCE SuiGeneris]

156. Your pizza is ready!

C ya again soon, I'm sure.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

161. I Would Have Said It Differently

I think we all knew Clinton liked the ladies...He didn't present himself as a paragon of virtue and he always had that "wink and a nod quality" that I and many found engaging; the lovable rascal if you will...And I think Hillary was well aware of Bill's wanderlust and made a cold peace with it because she loved him for all his flaws...John Edwards did run as the dutiful husband...

Anyway, the only difference between a sinner and a saint is one man's saved and the other ain't..

[DevonRex]

148. Mostly I think we need a break from politicians who can't keep zipped up. nt

[Alexander]

149. Not me. I think they're all scum of the earth as far as fidelity is concerned.

On policy issues, however, Clinton and Spitzer, for all their flaws, did more for their constituents than Edwards, who was essentially running for president right out of the gate.

[apocalypsehow]

150. "B-B-B-But that's different." "B-B-B-But that's different." "B-B-B-But that's different." "B-B-B-But

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Haven't even looked at the replies in thread, but I'll bet that pretty much sums it up.

[happydreams]

151. Dumb ass post. Why don't you ask them directly?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

158. You Miss The Main Point

Bill Clinton submitted himself and his personal life to the voters...


Obama would just be inviting unneeded controversy by bringing Spitzer and Edwards into his cabinet...

[Onlooker]

160. I like all three

Even though they all fucked up their personal lives, they did great jobs in terms of public service.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

163. I never worshipped Clinton & in fact was disappointed with him on many levels. I was a also pissed

at him when he looked straight in the camera and said I never had sex with THAT woman. He demeaned the shit out Monica.

This said, I wish to all heck that Spitzer could rehabilitate himself in record time because we really do need him right now.

Edwards isn't necessary and personally, for what he did to his beautiful wonderful wife and his beautiful family out of ego still leaves a bitter taste about him in my mouth.

There is a difference between a full blown affair, waiting out the life of a spouse, and sex for money.

BTW... I supported Edwards and thank goodness he never got the nomination. We all would have been screwed by him.

[TexasObserver]

169. The Angel Moroni showed me some gold plates that revealed Bill is a Deity.

Also, that Edwards and Spitzer are not.

So, I worship Bill.

Later I'm cooking some meat - I mean offering a burnt sacrifice - to Bill Clinton, God of MoJo.

[calico1]

172. I like Bill Clinton and I thought he was a good

President.

I don't "worship" him, nor have I ever.

[noonwitch]

175. I don't worship Clinton, but Hillary was not suffering from cancer at the time he cheated

And he didn't pay prostitutes, like Spitzer.