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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:57 PM Original message |
The meme that Obama 'OWES' Kerry and should be 'given' SoS is meant to DEMEAN Kerry and many |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's a conspiracy!!!!111!!!!! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Point to one thing I posted that is incorrect. Tell us what this nation would look like with no |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. I have beefs with Kerry going back a ways and being considered |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. Declare your beefs then. But those claiming he has no qualifications for SoS and spreading lies |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. I don't have to say jack shit. I don't know you and you don't know me. You can |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. We know why he is qualified and can back up our assertions with facts. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. you assume a lot. Frankly, one of the many problems I had with Kerry is not |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. He fought for his country in many more ways than one, and you need |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. jeez, suddenly I am surrounded by a bunch of dads. I don't have to 'check' |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. No, you don't. You can continue making stuff up. n/t |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #85 |
102. Well, I suppose. But it does sorta curtail discussion if one won't say WHY they hold a view |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 04:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Incorrect: Your claim that those who say so are trying to hurt Kerry. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Baloney - His staunchest supporters here are wellknown by me, and none of them claim |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. You're in denial. They're the only ones pushing that meme. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. BS! Saying it doesn't make it so. n/t |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. That's why your saying it doesn't make it so. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. No, your assertion is complete nonsense |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. You are lying about JK supporters. I have shown you the thread, |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Now, now. You're going to have to go into "time out" if you can't play nice. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Your posts here are proven lies. Too bad if you don't like it. nt |
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last_texas_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. TexasObserver, it looks like you just accused another poster of lying in post #46 on this thread. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. look at post # 46, YOU accused someone of lying |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-17-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #74 |
101. A fine one you are to talk about playing nice |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. You've been chumped and have nothing. Your response doesn't even make sense. n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Baloney - go to JK forum and try and make that claim. I'll bet an apology that you WON'T find |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Never heard of it, and don't intend to go there. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. The JK forum is HERE at DU. You claim the posts are his staunchest supporters - I know they are NOT. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. GD and GDP matter. Your topic forum doesn't. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. You made a claim about his staunchest supporters spreading the Kerry is OWED posts. We are NOT. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Relief in two easy steps: 1) get a crying towel, 2) use it. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Not a cry at all...just a staunch belief that TRUTH matters. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Your Waaahmbulance is on the way. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Opinion based in REALITY - if YOU had any proof staunch Kerry supporters want payback |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #49 |
91. We know him a lot better than you do apparently. n/t |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. Not true - look at the people on the DU JK group and look at |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. You are full of it. Here is the thread that says Kerry is OWED SoS: |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. your unhappiness is not my problem |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Personal attacks don't change the fact you have ZERO proof JK supporters |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. No, sorry you are wrong and way off base in accusing Kerry supports of |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. Not true - most of us have NOT said Kerry is owed anything |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. pfffft |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Great - you just admitted that I posted the same thing as this |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
88. I think he is deserving and well qualified for the position. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. A cabinet position is not a reward. It is not "payback" for anything. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. And THAT is exactly why the meme is being pushed. To diminish the fact that he is GREATLY qualified |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You know I'm not the biggest fan of Kerry's |
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Unbowed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Amen. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Nice post! n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. Leave it to an asshole over at TNR to prove your point |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. TNR doesn't WANT anyone but one of their pet hawks in the position at State. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
95. This little assessment misses two major points, SOS should not be viewed as a |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. Don't they just love Lieberman at that site? m/t |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. You don't seem to know that Kerry is actively seeking the SOS, & this has been an embarrassment to |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You don't seem to know that Kerry never ONCE lobbied for SoS - it's a LIE, a MEME being spread in |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:33 PM Original message |
After all these years |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. What makes you think that? I heard it "reported," & the name of Kerry's person given... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. No - he is NOT and issued a statement saying exactly that. A statement he should never hace HAD to |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
71. Oh, you mean this statement by a Kerry spokesperson: |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Once again... 100% agree with you blm... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Some DUers like to CLAIM they are not susceptible to media, but then prove the opposite is true. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. DUers pushing Kerry for SoS are actually trying to destroy Kerry! I'm series!!!! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Now, that's not what the OP states is it? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. You know, it's quite possible for people to come up with a bad argument |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. DC pundits? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Never assume malevolence when ignorance or laziness will suffice. nt |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Right, lying is lazy and pushing already debunked claims is ignorance. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Not what I said - those pushing the 'meme' that the position is OWED him are doing so AGAINST |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. You're creating a contrast where none exists. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Baloney - some of those saying it stress the payback in their ORIGINAL POSTS. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. A lack of stress does not mean a lack of belief. Not sure why you think it does. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. When it comes from those with no history of backing Kerry AND the meme itself would |
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Metric System (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Why do you distrust the media re: Kerry but you believe everything they say about Hillary? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Baloney - media NEVER talks about the Clintons the way I do...I wish they WOULD. Don't YOU wish |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
73. Occam Bandage: the person who wrote the thread saying Kerry is OWED the job |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
98. Nonsense. I support the senator and I would really like to see him appointed to this position |
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Firespirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
27. It will not matter. He won't be allowed to investigate anything. |
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Indi Guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. The only person Obama owes a favor to is W n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Yeah, if prosecution is a favor. n/t |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
35. Thank you. K & R. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
39. That same logic applies to Hillary Clinton. There are some here who argue that she is owed. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. People are saying Clinton is owed? Maybe I'm missing these posts. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
40. I trust Barack. I don't wanna second-guess him. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Trusting Barack. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. There is no one I trust and love more than John Kerry, but blm this thread is bullshit n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Really? You think those claiming Kerry is OWED the position and making it a topic of dicussion have |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Paranoid are we? Most who say JK is "owed" are people who like him, and who think he helped Obama |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Are the people who are pushing the rumor that JK is actively lobbying for the position |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No, don't out words in my mouth NonSense. We both know JK isn't actively lobbying for SOS n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Then stop calling people paranoid because you can't stop whining. n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Really? I thought the OPer was the one whining. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. "Shouldn't you be posting a couple dozen more Clinton bashing threads?" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Gee - - then what is this thread about..... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. No, they don't. His real supporters would put that far down on the list WHY he'd get it if he did. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. "low information Dems" Wow, such an demeaning term because some think he's |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. No - the Dem operatives spreading the claim to be picked up by low information Dems are asshats. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
82. That is not true. Do a history search yourself. I am unfamiliar with the posters |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
61. K&R! Thanks, blm, for |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
66. Amen, BLM. I also wanted him to do hearings in the Senate, but |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. He got this same intense derision for IranContra and BCCI - they really don't WANT powerstructure |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. Kerry as Attorney General |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
86. Kerry should get the position because he is the most qualified, |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-16-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
100. It is so nice to see you not in "OMG" mode |
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