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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:25 PM
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Freepers are Freaking Out about the Dan Rather CBS counterpunch
I think all this controversy is great. It gets voters' attention. If we can stretch this out a couple weeks, we can drain off some of the newly converted. And then, when the time is ripe, switch topics and go after his vulnerable underbelly--the economy, jobs and healthcare. This Natl Guard Documents thing is just a warmup, but one that may strip a crucial 2 percent or so from Bush.

The freepers are freaking out. From this thread, http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212542/posts , here is their list of what is wrong with the documents:

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Some have already been clarified, but here are the running discrepancies:

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist (actually does exist, but Mr. Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the memo was written).
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News-However, many documents on John Kerry’s website show same)
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
29 – Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox).
31-The Killiam family rejected these documents as forgeries. Then where did the “personal files” come from if not the family?
32-Why no three hole punches evident at the top of the page?
33-Mr. Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birthday – in July! He would not have received correspondence.
34-Why is the redacted address of Longmont #8 visible beneath the black mark? This would have been impossible after one copy, but it would be visible if the document was scanned.
35-Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:30 PM
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1. It is funny how far right-wingers will go to justify their vote for...
Bush...just amazing. Talked to my sister-in-law last night. While she was very kind, she clearly imbibed the kool-aid.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:57 PM
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13. making it worse...CNN has lost credibility fro relying on RW bloggers
for their news... a disgrace
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:07 PM
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16. Email CBS and say THANK YOU! Here's how:
evening@cbsnews.com

Dan Rather is a TRUE PATRIOT! A TRUTH-TELLING True Patriot!
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:32 PM
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2. Don't you love these guys?
I imagine a bunch of old geezers sitting around the table at some shitty diner wearing little VFW hats batting this shit around.
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:53 PM
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24. No I visualize a bunch of beefy double-chinned 20-somethings
yelling loudly at one another, burping and spilling their beer.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:33 PM
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3. Freeps are actually fantasizing they'll bring down the 'Liberal Media'...
with their nonsense.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:33 PM
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4. Don't forget that next week Kitty Kelley hits the shelves.
That is sure to cause another shitstorm.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:40 PM
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6. yup, and Silver City is now coming out, and F-911 goes to video in October
Kitty Kelley, Silver City, and F-911 in video should be able to scrape off a point or 2...
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canuckybee Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:36 PM
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5. Yep, some one just said to me
if you like CBS news and 60 minutes, get ready to lose them ROFLMAO
What they cannot absorb is this is DAN RATHER we are talking about. Does anyone think he would throw away a lifetime career over one story?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:41 PM
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7. Freeper post #68 "Drudge scammed us again".
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 06:42 PM by oasis
:bounce:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:07 PM
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15. Hahahaha ! Why do they fall for Drudge ?
I'll never know
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:43 PM
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8. This one cracks me up.........................
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer

I'm 53 years old and took typing as a Freshman in High School. Centering a letterhead with or without proportional spacing is about one of the easiest things to do. What the hell are these numbnuts talking about?

Do they think making a list of complete bullshit longer makes it more believable?

Whata a joke. :eyes:
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:49 PM
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9. That was Lesson 1 in Typing.
And I still own a typewriter, too!

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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:52 PM
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10. There is a typo
Last full line before the word Austin: there is a period and a comma. The Word document only has the period space (or two) and then the word Austin
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:53 PM
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11. No errors and white out?
The other one that's funny is:

17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.

Uh, you have to put those there yourself. Do they think the typewriters back then knew where the syllables in words were so they could put the dash in the right place?
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TNMOM Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:54 PM
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12. This is great! Where can we hit them next?
We should create a steady drumbeat of scandal, -- you know, drop a major bombshell every 3-4 days, until Nov. 2. There's a lot of material to work with here people -- so here's to hoping we keep the thugs on defense all the way to election day!
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:05 PM
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14. I've seen DUers posting this Bullshit
and that's what it is-BS.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:10 PM
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17. Freepers Brains going into panic mode
Time for a big kool-ade.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:07 PM
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18. Controversy captures viewers. SwiftBoat was just one word against another
THis Documents controversy is something that the viewer can get his teeth into. It is like solving a crime. ANd the longer it goes on, the more the subtext of those memos soaks into voters' brains.

If more material comes to life, this could last a long while. ANd it might keep Bush busy.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:11 PM
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19. Yup, they've got their hands full, now....
as does the media.

We sure gave them something to talk about.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:15 PM
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20. They have some good points.
I am familiar with military correspondence in the Air Force, and there are elements onf one of the memos that did strike me as odd. Not the typeface or that stuff...but more things about format and such.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:45 PM
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21. Kick to turn that screw. nt
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:50 PM
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22. Thank goodness

This is their weekend to eat a big shit-sandwich. Have fun boys...I gotta study about virusus and other microbials, watch a little football and catch up on some sleep.

Enjoy
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:52 PM
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23. Stupid Freeps could have EASILY BURIED this story by ignoring it
but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! You fucking ignorant moronic sons of bitches just HAD to go make spurious claims that the documents were forgeries and keep the story moving along and sprouting additional legs.

Why, if I didn't know any better I'd say some liberals infiltrated your ranks just PRAYING for an opportunity like this in order to fan the flames of fear and inject the (un)righteous indignation to PUSH this sort of thing and RUIN the credibility of your heroes in the media.

If I didn't know any better.....


:evilgrin:
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