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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:57 PM
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CBS News Report Debunking Forgery - Video Online Now
I have uploaded the Dan Rather report on CBS News that debunks the fake records story, and even has a guy that accuses Bush of corruption! It is on Channel 1 on my site (it will autoplay on the main page) http://BushLies2.Us . If you want a copy for yourself, right-click the link below and select Save Target As:
http://BushLies2.Us/video/wmv/bush_awol_cbs.wmv

Enjoy, and please distribute!!
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:00 PM
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1. Post to quick find when I get home
Thanks!
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:02 PM
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2. Thank you!!
Do you think it would be kosher to transcribe it for the benefit of others who can't d/l it?
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:10 PM
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5. I 'stole' it from CBS, so its not my call...
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 06:11 PM by phish420
The way I see it, any story that relates to the political process of our nation is public domain and should be freely available in all forms - internet, tv, radio, print, etc. This is an extremely important piece of information regarding the upcoming Presidential Election, so if CBS came after me, Ill take them to the Supreme Court if I can (where Id lose, but at least make a point). So, yes, transcribe away! lol.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:05 PM
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3. Bless you!!!!
I missed it, thank you for posting this. Great stuff!!!!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:10 PM
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4. These videos are great, thank you very kindly.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:11 PM
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6. Excellent! That's the kind of stuff that will turn this election
Finally! Thanks CBS for not selling out to the White House!

It feels so good to have a TV news network with dignity!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:12 PM
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7. Send your thanks to CBS News! Email them now!
evening@cbsnews.com

Let them know that you appreciate their integrity -- you KNOW they're getting pounded by the rw howlers.

sw
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:32 PM
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17. Positive reinforcement at this moment is UTTERLY urgent! Here's
what I just sent 'em:


Hey, guys -

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU for not caving to the republi-CONS!

THANK YOU for telling the TRUTH about this White House!

THANK YOU for your COURAGE - not only to report the truth in the first place, but to stand up to the withering attacks I'm sure you've received for having "the nerve" to report something that isn't shamelessly fawning over George Bush. It's ABOUT TIME his lies, deceptions, and half-truths were THOROUGHLY EXPOSED!!!!

Just when I'd given up on our lapdog media, you guys shine through! I'm a retired broadcast journalist myself (retired in 1996 from the AP Radio Network), and the simpering toadying to the Bush machine by our no-longer-impartial media has left me aghast and ashamed. THIS broadcast tonight (which I caught on internet video) has restored a little of my faith in my former profession.

DAN RATHER: I SALUTE YOU!!! "COURAGE" is more than just a onetime sign-off. It's truly your middle name. PLEASE keep proving to the tragically ill-informed American public that this emperor has no clothes.

Bless you!!! Sorry to shout through so much of this, but the hell with it! I'M SHOUTING!!!

(signed, me)

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:42 PM
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19. That's a beautiful email!!! Wonderful!!!
Thank you for speaking up!

sw
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:58 PM
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23. Done
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:34 PM
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26. Thanks for posting the CBS news email addy
I sent 'em a thanx:

"Thank you, and congratulations on your integrity and character in your excellent reporting on the Bush National Guard documents! Thank you for having done your homework on their authenticity and STANDING UP and BACKING UP your story. Well done! It is so good to see genuine investigative reporting!

Congratulations on a job well done."
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 03:11 PM
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41. My letter to CBS News
Dear CBS News,

I will admit that I would like nothing more than to see Bush voted out of office this coming November, there have been too many times where what should have been damning evidence against this administration in general, and George W. Bush in particular, which has either been ignored, or quickly suppressed. I admire your willingness to report the story about the recently revealed TANG documents. I am especially glad that you had initially researched the story thoroughly, and not quickly put it out without fully checking its veracity. Too many news reports nowadays rely on innuendo and unsubstantiated reports as "news", and I am glad that CBS is holding themselves to a higher standard.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:12 PM
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8. Thanks Just Downloaded It
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:13 PM
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9. thanks for putting up the video. I missed the broadcast
Rather was really on fire!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:13 PM
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10. How strong is your server?
I can get this out to a whole lot of people tonight. How much traffic can you handle?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:16 PM
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11. DAMN your good ....
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:16 PM
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12. beautiful...
love it
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fsbooks Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:17 PM
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13. on p2p
I called it:
NEW 09-10-2004 CBS Defends Bush AWOL Documents.wmv

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:21 PM
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14. Oh MAN! THANK YOU! Sorry to holler. But REALLY!!!
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 06:22 PM by calimary
Especially since I have to spend that time shuttling kids around to birthday parties and football games, and I'm not sure our VCR works (certainly wouldn't be ME programming it, anyway!).

THANK YOU! This was GREAT! Go, Gunga-DAN! I'm thrilled - not to mention relieved!

This one's a "Friday night news dump-ON-the-White-House." RICHLY deserved.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:29 PM
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15. Damn! CBS Set Fox and Wolfie at CNN Up All Day Long & Then BAM!
Memo to Wolf Blitzer: Eat shit.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:30 PM
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16. thanks man
Rather just knocked bush da f&*% out.
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nolajazz Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:33 PM
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18. Excellent! Thank you! Thank Dan Rather!
That was powerful! I especially like that he first reiterated the questions for * to answer and pointed out they are supported by many other documents, not only the one in question.
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abrock Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:46 PM
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20. I LOVE YOU CBS.
You've restored my faith that SOME American TV journalists actually CAN be fair to both sides, at least once in a while. Kudos to Dan for now kotowing to the idiotic right.
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:48 PM
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21. GO CBS!

I still can't believe CNN tried to attack CBS's integrity.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:55 PM
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22. Wow, Dan Rather actually seems to be involved in journalism...
what a breath of fresh air.

We should send him a great thanks.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:59 PM
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24. Thanks for posting the video!
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:20 PM
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25. You should see Jenny Backus pummeling Tony Snow...
... on Fox. FUNNY!
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:39 PM
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27. This is great phish!
thanks for posting it!
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:23 PM
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28. How sweet! Bush is going down & taking the media's credibility with him!
Two birds with one stone! Who says there isn't any justice.

I hereby forgive Rather for being such a suck-up during the invasion.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 08:44 PM
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29. Thank you!
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ezekiel333 Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 09:00 PM
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30. Very Cool! Thank You!!!!
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MadMichDem Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 10:14 PM
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31. Wow! Thanks so much for posting this
I emailed CBS with my thanks for finally having the balls to confront these idiots in the White House. (Didn't use this language, was much nicer in the email) This needs to be spread far and wide!!
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Thurston Howe IV Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:25 AM
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32. Interesting comparison between this and Swift Boat Liar response
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 12:26 AM by Thurston Howe IV
Great video clip -- I posted the link on my blog.

An interesting comparison can be made to this case, in which CBS's credibility was on the line, with how they treated the charges of the Swift Boat Liars. Those charges hung out in the public arena and were mindlessly repeated ("reported") by the mainstream media for about a week and a half before the NY Times finally debunked them. I don't know that CBS ever did fully debunk the Swift Boat Liars. But at least dusted they off their rusty journalistic skills and went to work on this story.

CBS does deserve to note of appreciation on this -- I'm going to email them on a job well done (at least this time).
Thanks!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 06:45 AM
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33. Kick
:kick:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:29 AM
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34. Thank You! and kick
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:42 AM
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35. kick for truth
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lady lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:09 AM
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36. Wow, thank you!
I'm so glad CBS is showing backbone and sticking by this story. Thank you! Now let's put all of this positive energy to work and go out and volunteer to get Kerry elected!
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RDL Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:11 AM
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37. THANKS!
Dan's the man!
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 12:04 PM
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38. CBS has been doing a great job.
I got mail from Cronkite today it was a fund raising letter. He has been debunking the right wing fundies for being hateful. I know that Cronkite taught Rather very well. What will happen when we have to content ourselves with the likes of Brian Williams, and assorted other pretty boys? Al looks no brains. They wouldn't have the guts to go after bush.
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lamster2k Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 01:31 PM
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39. great
Magnificent. Someone on another blog who works for the Tommy Thompson and HHS, was saying something about this. I don't care really about what Bush did to get out of Vietnam. But I do believe its an issue, when he goes out attacking someone who was there.
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Julian English Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 02:42 PM
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40. Boston Globe: documents may be real; expert flip-flops
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 02:43 PM by Julian English
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/11/authenticity_backed_on_bush_documents/

After CBS News on Wednesday trumpeted newly discovered documents that referred to a 1973 effort to ''sugar coat" President Bush's service record in the Texas Air National Guard, the network almost immediately faced charges that the documents were forgeries, with typography that was not available on typewriters used at that time.

But specialists interviewed by the Globe and some other news organizations say the specialized characters used in the documents, and the type format, were common to electric typewriters in wide use in the early 1970s, when Bush was a first lieutenant.

(SNIP)

Bouffard, the Ohio document specialist, said that he had dismissed the Bush documents in an interview with The New York Times because the letters and formatting of the Bush memos did not match any of the 4,000 samples in his database. But Bouffard yesterday said that he had not considered one of the machines whose type is not logged in his database: the IBM Selectric Composer. Once he compared the Bush memos to Selectric Composer samples obtained from Interpol, the international police agency, Bouffard said his view shifted.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:08 PM
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42. Not specifically related to this link, but...
...it's "open season" on the Swift Boat Liars at Amazon.com. They have suspended their normal rules regarding reviews, so head on over and unload your thoughts. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/write-a-review.html/103-9616076-5818267?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=0895260174&store=books

Happy hunting!
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:31 PM
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43. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
I went to your site. I saw the CBS video on your channel one, which may be on dicey ground legally speaking. Maybe you'd get away with some sort of fair use exemption. Then I saw your channel six. I didn't stay on long enough to find out for sure (didn't want to risk IP tracking by some pseudo-RIAA outfit), but I gotta ask...

...IS THAT THE WHOLE "THE HUNTING OF THE PRESIDENT" FILM?

If so, well...I dunno. Morally, I agree with it under the circumstances, but legally...

Just be careful. And good luck.
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:40 PM
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44. I've been snooping at FR. What does this post mean?
"It seems the same forces that took care of the Reagans needs to activate and start dealing with CBS advertisers.

Lets start by first posting instructions how to "vchip" your local CBS affiliate.

Lets make CBS news a liability for local affiliates."

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:04 PM
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49. If you have the vchip, you can program it to block a channel...
so, if I read this right, if you use program your vchip to block the local affiliate from access it, somehow, affects the local affiliates but I don't know how it would affect it anymore than a boycott.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:33 AM
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45. Outstanding
It's about time someone took a stand against the rightwing Smear machine.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:10 AM
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46. wow thanks.....that's the way it is! now freeps shut the eff up!
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 01:11 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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bostonyankee Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:50 AM
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47. I hate to burst anyone's bubble...
but I think this issue is far from over. I can't believe that so many people can't recognize a stonewalling/whitewash tactic. ABC, NBC and the Washington Post, just to name a couple of sources, are reporting the other side of this issue.. basically that the documents are bad fakes and CBS had rushed headlong into this thing and is now in damage control mode trying to defend it. Everyone wishes this were an airtight case against dubya, but unfortunately CBS botched it. :(

In addition to the documents, Killian's son and widow both have said that the whole document issue is not anything he would have done, either in the opinion or the method. Whether or not they have been bought off is another issue. Personally I think CBS has ben had.

This is very disturbing evidence:
http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

It's a flash animation. let it run
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:54 AM
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48. Then USA Today has been too, which I do NOT believe...
They, in fact, have even MORE info on bush's non-service.

Here is the link, enjoy!

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040920/usnews/20guard.htm

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gwsucksdotcom Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:10 PM
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50. Thanks, putting it up on GWsucks.com now

Just starting the site, please feel free to leave messages to stop gw now!

http://www.gwsucks.com

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