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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:24 PM
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Maybe Kerry doesn't deserve to be President because he's just too
decent. Please don't flame me. But I have been seriously thinking about this. If, in the face of all the lies, scandals, deaths, and killings most of the likely to vote citizens still believe that Bush is the best choice for America, then maybe they are right. They deserve to have him. I often think about Al Gore and what the media and the RW did to him (and tried to do to Clinton); the lies, the smears, the attacks. I feel good for Gore and his family (not for the world) that they stole the election from him. It probably saved his life, his marriage, and his soul. When the likes of JOhn McCain (after the smear campaign they did against him) having to sell their soul to the Republican party and their evil, you just have to feel apprehensive about what Kerry might have to do to win. If the current polls are truly reflective of the majority of voting Americans, then losing might save Kerry's life, his marriage, and his soul.

That being said, I still shake my head at how utterly uninformed, intolerant, and racist the majority of Americans are. I am white, and yes, I do feel that racism has been the blight on America that has kept us from being the great nation that we should have been and could have been. Take a good look at Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Perle, Frum, Rove. They are the very faces of true evil. It's in their eyes and breathe as they speak. Take a good look, this is what America admires in leadership? Then more power to them.

We will survive.
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:27 PM
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1. You deserve to be flamed.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 12:29 PM by BJ
You sound just like the caller to the Franken show yesterday who whined on and on how unlikeable Kerry is. How wooden Kerry is. Kerry's not personable enough to be president. Wah, wah, wah.

So who'd be a better choice?

Little late now, ain't it?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:30 PM
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2. They have a talk show host, Ronn Owens in SF,California
He says he is voting for Kerry, and then systematically tears him down. That is, boring, dull, no personality, etc. etc. etc.

If people feel that way then vote for someone else

I have heard enough of Kerry to know that he is passionate
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:50 PM
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23. Then again,
Why should a President have to be "likeable." I don't know where people got it into their heads to vote for the candidate they'd rather have a beer with (strike that...yes I do), but it's nonsense.

I want the President to be intelligent and be able to solve problems, not (necessarily) personable.

So even if Kerry was "wooden" (he's not), it shouldn't matter.
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:37 PM
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7. I didn't say Kerry was unlikeable. I said he was too decent.
If expressing an opinion not like you own warrants flaming, flame away!
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BJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:40 PM
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19. A Richard Nixon over a Jimmy Carter any day!
Gee, I remember hearing things like that about Jimmy Carter too. Politics is so dirty that only dirty politicians can win these days. Something to that too.

At least Kerry's taken a step in the right direction in bringing James Carville on board.

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:25 PM
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21. Perhaps the people who worship at the feet of this anti-Christ
deserve an America with him as president, but this 70% of the population who are decent, kind, thoughtful folks unequivocally do not!
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:32 PM
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3. I'm trying to keep this in historical perspective
Bush is our Nixon. And if by some large act of theft he is re-elected, I truly believe that he will be impeached at some point in his presidency. I also believe that if he is reelected, it will be clear with in a year to the majority of Americans, that he is one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. I also believe it will be clear that the media facilitated this. I talked to a Marine on hardship leave from Iraq. He now hates Bush. Says we have lost the war in Iraq - there is no way to fix it. He told me he wants Bush to be re-elected so this disaster will rest squarely on him, so that his warped neo-con policies will be discredited once and for all. I tried arguing with him but he just smiled and walked away. He told me the Iraqi security forces will never go in and shoot fellow Muslims for our puppet government. The country is headed for civil war .....
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:33 PM
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4. Yeah, you're right...
Let's keep Bush in office. That's better than Kerry's well-being. What about the rest of us you wuss?

JC, Bush is destroying this world and you are worried about Kerry's well-being.

WTF!!!
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kstewart33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:34 PM
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5. You do not deserved to be flamed
You've brought up a legitimate point. Who was it who said that the public gets the public servants they deserve?

We will survive a Bush re-election but it will hurt alot. Because we truly care about what happens to our country which appears to have been hijacked four years ago.

I'm with you. If the public can be so easily manipulated and they don't care enough to read and reason for themselves, then that's their responsibility and they've failed the country.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:35 PM
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6. it's not really about what Kerry deserves though
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:45 PM
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8. Kerry says he's been through worse.
Much worse.


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Mr Blond Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:46 PM
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9. No flames.
I'll just disagree. :)

We need all the decent people we can get in this world right now. Help us elect one?
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:50 PM
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10. I think he is precisely what America needs
IMO, he'd be a smart, thinking, considerate, strong but not arrogrant, and decent leader.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:50 PM
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11. I want someone
who's decent and honest and intelligent in the White House.

Enough of this plain spoken, intellectually lazy and visionless toad who inhabits the White House and my nightmares.

Let's give the good guys a chance.

MzPip
:dem:
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:02 PM
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14. I want a President who is smarter than I am, one who is more decent . . .
one who isn't petty or vindictive. I want good people in office.

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 12:55 PM
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12. America and 1000 dead GI's deserve better
and that's just the top of a long list of reasons to make sure Kerry is elected.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:00 PM
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13. Maybe Bush is meant to bring down the U.S.
I've seriously considered the following:

*Winning the presidency, however you do it, is not an efficient way of determining a person's character or worth. Consider just what has occupied the White House in the past. Consider how many Republicans "won" the presidency while losing the popular vote. Consider the many people of sterling character who either could not win or did not seek the presidency.

*A second Bush term may mean the end of the U.S. as a superpower. There will be no glorious legacy, no matter what happens. His hands are tied on many things, due to his own folly or outside circumstances and timing, and the long-term consequences of his first term will become apparent. It will not be pretty.

By the way, no one "deserves" the presidency, but some people are willing to do nearly anything to get it. Consider Nixon and both Bushes.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:08 PM
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15. i hear what you are saying. and i think i am going to use that
when talking to people, maybe he isnt crooked and lieing and ugly enough to be president. seems to be what we insist on now a days

put a little shame to the repug i am thalking to
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:13 PM
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16. I'm beginning to think that Americans deserve Bush. They're so brain-dead.
WE and many others of course don't deserve him....
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:17 PM
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17. i get that way a lot
when tlaking to people. but you know, when i walk away after discussion, i tell them,.............i am doing this for you and all the other dumbshits voting for bush. makes them pause and end up with a smile
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:31 PM
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18. "Send Me". Soldiers and statesmen who have a burning desire to
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 01:31 PM by oasis
improve the lives and safety of the citizens they serve do so without thought of their own personal comfort or convenience.

So thank you for your concern but John Kerry and people like him will continue the struggle for justice by confronting tyranny.

I thank God for people like Tom Paine, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Franlin D. Roosevelt, William Jefferson Clinton, Wesley Clark and John Kerry.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 01:46 PM
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20. Hey my thoughtts exactly!
And even here on DU I have to put up with crap from assholes that say things like the only thing Kerry has ever done in his life is marry a rich woman. (go see the Nader in Oregon thread in LBN)The mods did shit about it. How about defending Kerry's honor and integrity once in awhile?

I think Kerry is a good man. He impresses me. I think he fights hard, but he is not evil scum that would do anything to get elected like our opponents.

And maybe he is too good for this country. I'm losing hope here. I LIKE HIM. I like Howard Dean, and my thoughts exactly about him were just that. Howard Dean is too principled, too honest, too decent, to be President. I'm losing tremendous ability to want to surround myself with those that think someone like Shrub Jr. deserves to be president. He doesn't. He has proved his incompetence and ability to run this country into ruin. If Americans want fear and hatred, Bush is their man. But I just don't know if this is my country anymore.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 04:41 PM
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22. He hits harder than Clinton or Gore did.
Look at his campaign material. No way you could come away with this 'nice' view after reading the hard hitting offensive that our campaign is waging.

We don't have to be the same type of prevaricating liars that comprise the majority of the opposition. We tell the truth. Folks can't hang their votes on republican lies.
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