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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:39 AM Original message |
"FORGERY" DEBUNKING THREAD - Please re-post all evidence HERE |
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qanda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. I sure wish the media had done as much research... |
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LTR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. The IBM Executive typewriter with proportional spacing - from 1941 |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Thank you |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Two points: Notice the distinct "curly cue" apostrophes that |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'll ask here-Are these the same documents that the White House released |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 01:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. Yes, they are the same. From CBS: |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Well then-WHY IS DID THE WHITE HOUSE ISSUE FORGERIES? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. History of IBM Selectrics and their features |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. IBM selectric font example |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That's one font |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. This is not the face. Checks the 4s |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. Contemporaneous Witnesses: |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. This is a dupe. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That thread is full of debate |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
12. The White House cites one of the memos as evidence Bush* was... |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
13. REVIEW: Please find this... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Have you checked all the docs at |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
14. Sandra Ramsey Lines - "forensic expert" - is a Republican operative |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 04:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. Correction - she donated to this org, not sponsored by them. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
16. another definitive post (actually the whole thread is prertty good) |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
17. from dKos |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. That dKos thread seals it. |
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Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Somebody should just sticky a link to Daily Kos |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:31 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Deleted message |
complain jane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. wonder if the Freepers hacked it |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Points debunked by KOS: |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
21. It is on Drudge |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
22. Deleted message |
spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Take a look at all the other posts questioning your "evidence." |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
23. Side by side comparison with TNR |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Deleted message |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Sorry, it can't make an oblique top of an "i" into a straight top |
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OilemFirchen (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. And the bottom serif of both lower-case "t"'s |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Ahem. *Points to the post count* n/t |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. This not a debate thread |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
28. The fact that those pushing the forgery theory have lied about the |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
31. From Democrats.com: |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. Anyone who used a Selectric can tell you how to do superscripts or |
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rastignac5 (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
36. Help- need proof that IBM Selectric was used in national guard |
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cthrumatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. already on another thread |
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skip fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
39. Thousands of memos and reports on that SAME MACHINE!! |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. Superscript on another Bush document... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. Posted in another thread by someone who installed Selectrics in the 70s: |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I vote for the IBM Executive |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
43. Deleted message |
Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'm working on it, but noticed something else. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
46. "Forgery" accusation promoted by Swift Boat Liars PR people: |
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Qutzupalotl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. Here it is! |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. That's great, thanks! |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. The signatures are not faked |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Excellent! Thanks! |
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Shopaholic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. Has anyone sent any of this stuff to the media? |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Please have at it |
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Chili (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. here's my 2 cents to this... |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Thanks! Well done. |
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Chili (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. UGH! |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. But if you make the CBS doc a litte smaller |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-10-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
58. CBS just said that the 'th" was in typewriters in the 70's....... |
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