Clark: Danger to the Democratic Party

[Hawkeye-X]

SERIOUS DANGER awaits the Democratic Party if Clark continues to show strength. The media, led by CNN, has been promoting a falsely glamorous picture of the general who is distrusted, disliked, and disrespected by a number of his military and diplomatic colleagues and whose career is marked far more by institutional chutzpah than by military heroics.

The media, which often has childlike fantasies concerning military officials, has not bothered to look closely into Clark's background. Among the things it might find if it did: how Richard Holbrooke insisted on a top aide always being close to Clark in case he said something stupid in public, how Clark endangered peace negotiations, and the lieutenant colonel responsible for keeping Clark's shoes shined.

The danger is that, after a few early primaries, some of the other candidates may drop out, throwing their support to Clark, who already has the backing of the crypto-Republican wing of the party led by the Clintonistas and the Democratic Abandonship Council. In such a case, Dean's lead could dramatically dwindle and the party could be left with a loose cannon as its candidate.

http://prorev.com/indexa.htm

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. HawkeyeX, we all know that you are a Howard Dean....

supporter. This is nothing more than a cheap trick to smear Wesley Clark who happens to be my candidate! I could make the same arguement that Howard Dean has a bad temper and does not get along well with others!

:eyes:

[Democrats unite]

4. That would not be an arguement, that would be truth!

eom

[CWebster]

66. There are facts on the record

and there are deliberate smears targeting negative emotional reaction. Like Dean's "anger"... Just why is it a bad thing? What attracted me to him was his righteous anger and willingness to stand up to Bush- as opposed to some packaged commodity whose image caters to the fear that Bush manufactures. That is not the kind of strength the Democrat's need. We need to challenge the climate of fear, not participate in the deception.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. CNN: " Dean TV: 24 hours a day. Clark: 5 minutes/day

n/t

[CWebster]

67. Dean bashed 24 hours a day

Clark should be grateful.

[maxr4clark]

2. sticks and stones

Dean for America is not the Democratic Party, my friend.

[Jack_Dawson]

3. Panicking much???

:eyes:

[bobbyboucher]

54. Reach much?

Get a grip upon yourself.

[meow mix]

5. hehe

someone is really running with the NBD banner today =)

i admire your faith, if nothing else...

[bain_sidhe]

15. "running with the NBD banner"

LOL. More like running with scissors, I think. What was that Helen Thomas said about

It seems to me his competitors would do better to toot their own horns instead of tearing down a colleague. ... They should be guided by the maxim: "United we stand. Divided we fall."

She said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true... but she said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true... but she said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true... but she said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true... but she said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true... but she said it about Dean, so it's true... but it's being used to defend Clark, so it can't be true...

:crazy:

*edited to add the part about "united we stand"*

[dodger501]

6. I think "childlike fantasies" is the operating phrase here

Beating Bush is the top priority here.

Anybody who calls Karl Rove out like he did has my support.

[Padraig18]

7. This is over the top, HawkeyeX.

Really bad.... :(

[maxr4clark]

41. Thank you, Padraig18!

[Rowdyboy]

63. Thanks, Padraig....

These guys have no class.

[ihaveaquestion]

8. Everyone has someone who

doesn't like them, Clark included. Back up your rhetoric with facts or you won't impress anyone. Personally, I like Clark's background and plain talk. His new tax plan sounds great!

[jmaier]

10. Welcome to DU

:hi:

You'll see plenty more where this thread came from. :-)




Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[ihaveaquestion]

22. Monitoring the webchat on Clark04!

How about that - I think he can type too!

Thanks for the welcome - nice of you!

[Padraig18]

23. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[michaelbmoore]

14. Welcome

to DU!:toast:

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Welcome to DU, smjoyner!

:hi: :toast:

[NV1962]

57. Willkommen!

Flame-retardant computer screen is discretional, but recommended. ;)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. Yeah, the danger: we might actually win. ROTFLMAO!

The media, led by CNN, has been promoting a falsely glamorous picture of Dean - if anyone!

[liberalnurse]

11. Why even bother......?

The current atmosphere is not conducive for looking in all directions. The clientele are Clintonites with an agenda; keep the status quo so that Hillary can run in 08.

I struggle with this possibility but it is true, sad but true.


I broke my goal, but you are worth it....:)

Excellent point.

[michaelbmoore]

12. You sound

scared to death. Chill out.

[Foehammer]

16. I'm new and cant start a topic...my thoughts

After reading the posts on DU all day i'm very sad as a Dem..

This inter Dem bashing here is really really bad.

I'll find another source to voice my thoughts.

Later

[Jack_Dawson]

18. Hi Foe - Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[meow mix]

19. its primaries forum

might want to try another one =)

[Padraig18]

24. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[oasis]

26. Try the general discussion forum for Bush, Rush and PNAC bashing. And

who is PNAC you ask?:It's a what www.newamericancentury.org

[KC21304]

17. I would love to check with Richard Holbrooke about that.

He and Clark are very close.

[WillyT]

20. "The Democratic Abandonship Council" - Oh, I DO Like That One !!!

LOL!!!

:bounce::evilgrin::bounce:

[BeatleBoot]

21. LOL!

:boring:

[jpgpenn]

25. The ego FEAR of DEAN and his supporters

They are now finally starting to understand how bad their candidate will be swept aside. The ONLY approach to take is that of the Shrub and repuke attack. Make up anything possible in hopes that something sticks.

Dean is a non stop LIAR. His polls # have shown signs of leveling. After Iowa and NH the real majority of America will start to speak out. Dean has only 1 option to play ( REPUKE POLITICS ), to destroy the good name of a man that has devoted his life to his country.

[Padraig18]

35. Oh, PUH-leeze!

Just a LITTLE over the top there, jpgpenn... :eyes:

[Trajan]

44. As a Democrat ... and a Clark supporter ..

I must say: ... you are one mean, insulting person ...

Please .... DONT be a Clark supporter ... We can do better than this; crass ad hominen attacks, which amount to nothing better than adolescent, playground bluster ... are NOT arguments ...

This is pretty sad ....

[jpgpenn]

59. as A Democrat and a "DRAFT" Clark supporter I suggest...

You except the views of others and understand that an open voice is a positive message for Democracy.

Perhaps you should apply as much distain behind a message directed at the original poster of this subject heading.

[Lisa0825]

27. Hawkeye, you are actually HURTING our cause, NOT helping

Could you just chill out? This is annoying me, and I am a Dean supporter! You're making us look bad. You are exemplifying the stereotypical rabid supporter people bitch about. Thanks for driving people away from us. You're costing us votes.

[Padraig18]

36. I agree.

You need to chill, HawkeyeX...

[arendt]

28. 1) where on link is the article? 2) if the article can't be found, ...

what is everyone reacting to?

Sigh. Just another flamewar.

No facts? Who cares? Just haul out the guns and blaze away.

Dems are suicidial and fratricidal. No wonder the pubs
win. They are dumb, but loyal - like dogs. Feed em anything,
scratch their tummies, and you own them.

This kind of fighting OVER NOTHING makes me sick.

arendt

[maddezmom]

29. I couldn't find it either

anyone know the link?

[Duder]

47. The link is posted...

It's today's editorial by Sam Smith

http://prorev.com/indexa.htm

Here's another for the Clark archives:

http://prorev.com/clark.htm

[maddezmom]

49. thanks

now I'll go read it.

[Duder]

52. You're welcome

Glad I could help. :)

[maddezmom]

51. oh that was it?

thought there was more somewhere. :)

[Walt Starr]

30. Excellent research, Hawkeye

If Clark is nominated, this nation is DOOMED!

[jmaier]

31. LOL

No level of hyperbole appears out of bounds.




Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[Lisa0825]

32. I am repeating myself a lot lately...

Just please don't judge all Dean supporters based on the behavior of a few... most of us are above this crap.

[KittyWampus]

37. I LOVE Dean Supporters For The Most Part

:grouphug:

I'm not a fan of Dean but I have my own slogan ready if he gets the nod-

"Keen for Dean". It's really silly but that'll be my revenge :D

[FubarFly]

75. Hmm..

"Clark is no Lark"!

"I Bark for Clark"

"Hark! It's Clark"?

--

Um, back to the drawing board.

:spank:

[jmaier]

43. No worries, Lisa.

I actually like Gov Dean and a few misguided, though ardent, supporters of his aren't going to influence me one way or the other. It gets tiresome but you hang out in any crowd of 100 people and at least 5-10 are going to either drive you nuts or bore you silly. :-)



Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[PatGund]

56. Not a problem

I've got a batch of "Deanie" friends, and while they tease me on occasion about being a "Clarkie", they also plan to support Clark if he gets the nomination - just as I'm planning to support Dean if he gets the nomination.

I do wish there was more civil discourse here at DU though. There seem to be people (on all sides) that are willing to do Rove and the RNC's dirty work for them. Which is a shame, because it takes away from the main goal - getting the unelected fraud out of the White House.

[Rowdyboy]

64. Its just a couple of creeps

Every campaign has roaches...they'll outlast the pyramids of Egypt

[Walt Starr]

33. Teh rhetoric from the Clark side has been so wonderful

NOT

Clark will NEVER get my vote.

[liberalnurse]

38. Ditto here.

I will not support the self-serving interest of the "Old Democrat Guard" ....Thats not what the Democratic Party is about.....

Hillary can sit out 08 too. Clark is only a tool for the Clintons...I'm so disappointed in them. They crave the power....Clark is only a Clinton foot-solider once again....

[jmaier]

45. Thanks for

the info there, Walt. I'll save time trying to influence you. If only you'd do the same. :-)

[liberalnurse]

65. Not an option.

Clark is the puppet for the DLC and Clinton's. The goal is Hillary 08....Clark is only a road-block to serve the self-interest of the power hungry Clinton's.

I am truly disappointed in their activity.

[JVS]

48. I would have a tough time voting for him as well

Not sure that I could

[KittyWampus]

34. You Have Officially "Jumped The Shark"

[readmylips]

39. I was not happy with Clark but now...

I like him and will give him my $ and support if he wins.

When Clark came in to run as a recent republican invading the democrat party, I just said, "holy chit." I just saw that the democrats were such losers, they needed to recruit a republican to run in our elections. We're never going to kick booshe's butt out of office. Any of the booshes, because for 2008, jebby is in the wing to run against Hillary. They might as well change the country's name to US of Boosh.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Boo! Scared much? Pathetic. n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

46. Woo-Hoo!

A new low!

Not only is Clark a dismal candidate, but a clear danger to the survival of the party.

I love this forum. Better than The Onion, I tell ya.

[Renew Deal]

55. lol

:crazy:

[deminflorida]

50. The Crying Game Continues....

wait until the voting on Feb. 3 starts, it should get really loud then....

[polpilot]

53. Agree Clark poses a serious threat because of the 'stop Dean' mentality

Clark was rolled out in front of Dean by the Clinton/DLC group and to ignore this is absurd. You won't see full page ads in The New York Times attesting to this and there will be no public proclamations but here it is. 'It just happened' is always the public policy.

As incredible as it sounds the 'also-rans' wouldn't mind seeing a Bush/Clark 56/44 election as long as Howard goes down. It's an affront to the Kerry/Gep/Lieb Club that Dean could crush them like this and it means they get an 'F' in their chosen career. Sorry folks that's the way it is.

Dean '04...

P.S. Dean can't be stopped.

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. The stop DEAN mentality?

The Dean supporters have been in attack mode ever since Clark entered the race and you say it's stop a DEAN mentality? Hahahaha! Funny. Dean and his supporters are THREATENED by Clark, just like the mindless wonder is....yesterday and today's polls just made it worse. Hence, all the Clark bashing threads.

[Printer70]

60. Clark's military creds shattered by Top Military Brass

Former Joint Chief of Staff Hugh Shelton said Clark was fired for reasons of "character and integrity". Shelton is not a hard-core Republican, and may even be a Democrat according to some accounts. How would it look for the former Joint Chief of Staff in the military (the highest ranking member in the military) to characterize Clark this way throughout the campaign? Clinton's Defense Secretary Cohen also thought poorly of Clark. Clark will be portrayed by Rove and Co. as an "internationalist" who fought for NATO and is distrusted by the one military that counts- the US military. I would not put much stock in Clark getting mileage out of his military career.

[maddezmom]

62. where is Shelton now?

he's running away from those comments.

[Printer70]

69. What makes you say that?

Maybe I missed something. Has he rescinded those remarks or just not repeated them again and again.

[Piperay]

61. ACK...

PHOOEY! :argh:

[CWebster]

68. Excellent, Hawkeye

Never succumb to the fear of the mob when the truth scares them and they don't know what to do with it--other than bury it.

And speaking of fear, they are the ones who need a bigger daddy protector symbol to represent their own fears.

[adamrsilva]

70. I wouldn't go that far

but hey, Clarkies say this crap about Dean, so what goes around comes around.

[imhotep]

71. thanks HawkeyeX

we need to beat down this republican so they don't hijack our party.

[sfecap]

72. Thanks Hawkeye...

...A Clark nomination virtually guarantees bush another term. Given the choice between a real rethug and rethug lite, they'll vote for the real rethug every time. Democrats apparently still haven't learned the lesson of 2002.

[incapsulated]

73. Can you smell it?

It's fear...



 

[Boo Boo]

74. How's that

tin-foil hat fitting? Still a little tight, huh?

[Atlant]

76. It's just more infiltration of the Democrats by the Right. (NT)

[Moderator]

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