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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:31 PM
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WTF makes people think the GOP is gonna roll over and give power back to the Democrats?
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 06:39 PM by Gman
Huh? Where the hell did anybody get that absolutely crazy idea that if Obama wins he's going to be the next president?

I posted this the other day about a verbatim quote from John Cornyn:

"I'm sure there will be litigation that the margin of victory was made up of people that were not qualified." This was in response to a question about ACORN and the other mythical ways the GOP is claiming that there is voter fraud going on. Cornyn was being interviewed on WOAI radio in San Antonio. This was Thursday morning last week.

The pattern here, as in New Mexico as in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West (By God) Virginia, Colorado points to the likelihood that the GOP intends to file suit in each of these states that they will lose alleging that the margin of victory was made up of voters that were not qualified. The case will make it's way through the conservative RW courts. If (Big IF) they can stand the heat, they will steal the election from Obama and give it to McCain.

The RW SCOTUS made the great right wing coup d'etat a reality in 2000. They will not give up power just because of an election. Apparently they will resort back to the courts to keep from turning power over to the Democrats.

We cannot let what happened in 2000 happen again. I doubt this is news to the Obama campaign as they seem to have their ears pretty solidly afixed to the ground and they appear ready for anything. But the rest of us should get ready. If after the election, the Obama campaign says we need to hit the streets in protest then we all need to be there. Only the people rising up will prevent the theft of this election.


The OP got two commments and disappeared into the GD: P hole. You're not going to find that quote anywhere. I wrote it down as I was driving down the highway. But Cornyn told us exactly what they are going to do. You see, Cornyn's not real bright anyway so I'm not surprised to hear him talk about something he's not supposed to be talking about.

But people here better get ready for one fucking thing: They are going to try to steal it. Goddammit, they committed felonies in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004 in the process of achieving and sustaining their right wing coup d'etat. What the hell makes people think they are just gonna role over and say, "Gee, we lost the election... oh well! Congratulations, Obama! We wish you well!" WTF makes people think even if Obama is inaugurated it ain't over. People really do not have a clue about the kind people we're dealing with here. These people are vicious on a level that 99% of DU'ers have never even thought about.

This thing is far from over and people better get ready.

People better not be sitting around here crying, "Wah! They stole my election!" People better be ready to fucking do something extremely serious about it.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:33 PM
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1. You can't steal a landslide. n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:38 PM
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3. There will be no landslide
don't kid yourself.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:52 PM
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9. This morning I heard Chuck the Todd tell Joe the Scartissue that it
is easier for him to get Obama to 375 EV than it is for him to get McCain to 270.

(paraphrased)


There could be an electoral landslide and it could come with as little as a 5% margin in the popular vote.


Remember the primaries, Obama won the delegate count in some states where he lost the popular vote to Hillary. The guy knows how to keep score and how to rack up that score.

I have full faith and confidence in the Obama team and I agree with Chuckie that an Obama landslide is more likely than a McCain win. (although there is a middle ground)
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:12 PM
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11. Todd is correct, assuming an honest election. But this is much bigger than an election.
We are talking war criminals scrambling to save their own asses. Sure, there will be pardons for domestic crimnes. But remember they stole the election in 2000 and again in 2004. They invaded Iraq in an illegal war, they've looted the treasury, America is literally a fascist country right now by any definition. And they're going to just give up power? Think again.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:49 PM
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16. Totally agree. And looting was and IS THE raison d'etre.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:20 PM
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18. They Can if the MSM Tells Everybody It's Close
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:33 PM
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2. I feel the exact same way...
Ohio better brace themselves...because we are easy target.
Not to mention full of Republican supporters.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:38 PM
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4. Republicans will attempt to throw the election into chaos
They will try to tie things up in the courts and contest everything. They will also be intimidating voters, etc, en masse. It will be ugly. I can see them trying to tie it up beyond when Bushes term runs out.

Karl Rove will go to prison if Obama wins. Expect everything he can think of to be thrown at us.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:40 PM
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6. These people are vicious criminals
they have everything to lose. There is no tomorrow for them if McCain loses. They are desperate and they will do the most desperate things.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:40 PM
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5. Republicans are all bluff. They got nuthin'.
A close election they'd steal in a heartbeat. This one, they're already writing off. They're digging in for 4 years and planning out how to "Arkansas Project" Obama.

My gut tells me this time they'll overplay their hand.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:41 PM
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7. Don't kid yourself either
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 07:13 PM by Gman
they are working very diligently to turn what should be a landslide into an extremely close election. We are dealing with the worst criminals this country has EVER known.

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Lerrad Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:44 PM
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8. This is spooky.
During dinner tonight I was telling my wife this exact same thing. I do feel that if Obama wins the election will be contested.

There is no doubt in my mind, the GOP has been setting up everything for the last month or so. They knew they were going to lose, and that is why they filled lawsuits in several swing states.

They have the seed planted and are ready to sprout up on November 5th, if not Tuesday night.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 06:58 PM
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10. I may be crazy
But if Bush wasn't so unliked your case might make sense.

I do think they may try a few things but when they do folks are gonna stand up against them. Which is something you mentioned. And they know it.

Were Bush at 50% approval, I'd be agreeing with you in total, but as it stands, they've screwed the pooch.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:32 PM
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12. I think we have a few things going for us...
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 07:33 PM by stillcool47
this year. More than 1/2 of us now have some paper trail. So far, all the lawsuits brought by the Republican party have been thrown out, and the DOJ actually bucked Bush on his order to investigate Ohio. Early voting will cut down on some of the chaos in some states on election day. Then there is the margin in the polls that makes swinging a state election more difficult. That said anything is possible.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:46 PM
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13. They should save their legal expense money for the Sarah/2012 campaign
There is no reason to believe an election challenge based on fraudulent Acorn voters will be successful. If the repubs really want to keep their over the top absurdity in the public eye beyond Election Day, I'm sure they will make the attempt.

The math just doesn't support any significant number of fraudulent votes resulting from Acorn's efforts, much less a large enough number to "threaten the fabric of democracy".

This will survive one news cycle, become a hate radio topic for the losers, and disappear from the screen.

more on the rightwingers' Acorn nuttiness-> http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/10/voting-rights-watch-little-evidence-of.asp
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:47 PM
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14. I know all of this already.....
Yes they are going to try to steal it, they always have, they cant win any other way. Yes they are not going down without a fight. Yes they will take it to courts left and right. Yes they are some of the most vile, evil, vicious, people this country has ever seen. Believe me I know!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:47 PM
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15. I think it's because they're really nice people who like sharing.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:03 PM
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17. Because there will be no other choice
Attempts to steal this election will not be greeted warmly. The establishment republicans know this. They are not all that much into McCain / Palin anyway. Given that those republicans who have no pending indictments look forward to a political career, they will accept the result. Battling this result, if they do it, will not gain them the Whitehouse, but it will destroy what remains of their party.

If the margins are as I expect, they will roll over, give the dems all the rope they can, and hope to hang them with it in 2010. Now 2010 and 2012 will be another matter. They will attempt to come back, hard right, with ferocity. They will lose, but will not take it as well. Very few of these guys felt McCain was a good candidate anyway, the dwindling bits left of the republicans will surge hard right and nominate a conservative firebrand in 2012. It will be ugly.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:23 PM
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19. Yeah, I don't know about this. Republican's are leaving the party.
I'm talking about Republican Governors like Weld, or tonight,(this one made my night!) Fred Bramante, a member of McCain's New Hampshire Leadership Committee and a 2008 Alternate Delegate to the Republican National Convention.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGgThC
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:37 PM
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20. I agree with the poster. The machines everywhere have been switching
votes. Why do we still have those machines? What is wrong with the dems in Cingress? The congressman who designed this demonic law is in jail. We did NOT stand up for Al Gore in 2000. The GOPe staffers came to Florida and made fools of us all. We sat idly by. Ditto 2004. Candidates for the Green Party challenged the Ohio vcte, not the dems. I feel so bad that we were deprived of those great statesmen, but this year enough is too much. We must take to the streets, refuse to pay taxes, etc.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:42 PM
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21. We'll see
There is a school of thought that believes the GOP wants to leave us with a big old mess to clean up. A mess so messy that the task will be impossible and the elephants can do the white-horse thing in two years.
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