sick of my freeper friends and their abortion hang up...took it to a former friend

[greenbriar]

this lady has been a friend for over 20 years.

she lives in my former RED town...

saw her in the mall today

Her: I was going to email you. I have a cute picture of a dog whizzing on an Obama sign

Me: I have the same dog whizzing on a bush/McPain sign...so...


Her: why do you want Obama

Me: What exactly do you benefit from McCain?

Me: I know you don't make over 50 thous...why can't you realize that under Obama you would benefit more. I also know your son and his wife don't have health care for their newborn...don't you want better?


Her: But Obama wants to allow abortions.

Me: You are over 50 and will never have to worry about getting one so what is it to you?

Her: I have a teen age daughter

Me: WHO HAS ALREADY HAD AN ABORTION.... OH...YOU DIDN'T KNOW we knew all about it?

(before you get upset...MOM took this girl for the abortion...the secret was that the rest of the family and friends were not supposed to know)

BOOOOOO YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I hate hypocrisy

[Bicoastal]

1. Wow--did she really? Or where you just messing with her mom?

[greenbriar]

2. no, she had one...mom took her...all secret like

but daughter has a big mouth

[madmax]

3. Abortion has been legal for a long time

and just because it is legal it is a woman's choice. NO ONE is forcing women to have an abortion if she wants to have a child. What is so hard for these people to understand!!! You did good.

[yellerpup]

4. Good for you.

It's from that old school of "if I do it it's okay, but if you do it you're going straight to hell." I have a friend who is pro-choice, but her daughter who has had two abortions, is not. She finally figured out how to use birth control. I don't really care that they don't speak to me any more. Hope you feel the same way.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

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[Overseas]

6. I am glad you were honest with her.

That kind of hypocrisy is maddening. Her own daughter had an emergency situation and needed to make that gut wrenching decision and she'd going to deprive others. I am glad she has had to stop for a moment and think about that and think about how odd she has seemed to all her friends who knew.

I also hope she listens to Obama sincerely talk about our all needing to work together to reduce the need for abortions through better sex education and help in family planning and other things.

[greenbriar]

7. I think she already voted

but I know her son and his wife voted for Obama

[Overseas]

18. That's okay if she hears Obama later.

She'll still get to think twice about Democrats when she hears how sincerely he wants to help us all work together to find compassionate solutions.

And she can vote him back in for his second term.

[iamahaingttta]

8. I don't get abortion freepers.

Don't want an abortion?
Don't get one.
Don't want ANYBODY to have an abortion?
Support policies that make abortion as rare and unlikely as possible.
Things like education and contraception.
Don't want ANYBODY to have an abortion, and don't want to support policies to limit them?

Fuck you!
Go back to the 12th century!

[Abacus]

9. Tell us more!

:popcorn:

I know you already told the punchline, but how did she react?

[greenbriar]

15. she said well I got to get to Sears to get what I came for because I have a 2 hour drive

to go back home.


Me.

Have a safe trip. Enjoy the lower gas prices Here in our city it is currently 1.97


You can thank our DEMOCRATIC run congress for that

[PA Democrat]

10. What is sad is that her daughter may have still had that abortion even if

it was illegal. Would she have wanted her daughter to take that risk?

On average, abortion rates in countries where abortion is illegal are the same as in countries where it is legal. The biggest factor in reducing abortion is education on and access to contraceptives. That's why it makes me crazy when I hear the very same people pushing the "pro-life" agenda also pushing abstinence only sex education.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

[Egnever]

11. My response to these idiots is the same

Republicans had all the power for 6 years and abortion was not stopped. Do you really believe they will ever do anything to stop it?

Why give them your vote for something they clearly have no intention of addressing with anything more than lip service. There are a lot of other issues they will address to consider and the republicans are on the wrong side of most of them. Stop letting them use your respect for life to destroy the country.

[Arkansas Granny]

25. I have reminded several people of that fact. Republicans don't want to

stop abortion. They would lose an important talking point to sway their base. They may pose restrictions on it from time to time and they have made it very difficult to arrange, but they have no intention of outlawing it completely.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. And how did she respond?

[greenbriar]

16. she wanted to get away from me (the truth

she said well I got to get to Sears to get what I came for because I have a 2 hour drive
to go back home.


Me.

Have a safe trip. Enjoy the lower gas prices Here in our city it is currently 1.97


You can thank our DEMOCRATIC run congress for that

[uppityperson]

13. Too funny. And what happened then?

[Ian David]

14. You should apologize and bring her this...

http://www.prolifeproobama.com/


And by "apologize," I mean one of those "Republican Apologies," not a real one.

"I'm sorry if my words offended you."

You know the drill.

[kath]

28. There's also this:

From Catholics United (don't know if your neighbor is Catholic or not, but, at any rate, this flyer makes some very good points (some of which are similar to points made at the site you linked).
http://www.catholics-united.org/files/pro-life-means-all-life-en.pdf

Pro-Life means action on behalf of all human life.

Many candidates say they’re pro-life. But do they really have a record to run on?
Here are some important facts for pro-life Americans to consider when deciding how to vote.
The BEST way to combat abortion is to give women and families the tools they need to choose life.
Studies consistently show that when women and families have health care, jobs, education, and other essential supports they are less
likely to have an abortion. In fact, more than three out of four women who obtain an abortion say that economic factors were a primary
reason for doing so. Instead of helping struggling American families, our leaders have left them to fend for themselves.
Being pro-life is 1 percent talk, 99 percent ACTION.
Being pro-life is not just about what our elected leaders say they believe. It’s about the things they do. During the Clinton
Administration, the U.S. abortion rate declined nearly 30 percent without enacting any legal prohibitions on abortion. Under
President Bush, this decline stagnated. Even the appointment of two new Supreme Court justices was unsuccessful in making any
meaningful progress toward building a culture of human life. For all its talk about being pro-life, the Bush Administration has done
very little to protect the unborn.
Pro-life means ALL human life - WITHOUT exceptions.
How can our leaders say they are pro-life, while starting unjustified wars, supporting the death penalty, supporting torture, opposing
expanded health care for children, cutting school lunch programs, and standing by as hard-working Americans lose their jobs and retirement
protections? They can’t. To be pro-life is to answer a deep call to support and defend human life at all stages - from conception
until death. It means caring for the unborn, for the children, for the less fortunate, and for all hard-working Americans.
Overturning Roe v. Wadewill NOT end abortion in America.
All too often, what passes for an authentic pro-life agenda is a candidate’s stated opposition to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade
decision. While legal protections for the unborn are an important part of a pro-life strategy, overturning Roe v. Wade would simply let
states decide whether abortion should be legal or illegal. In a post-Roe America, only a handful of states would impose penalties on those
who obtain or perform abortions, and women living in these states could still go elsewhere to get an abortion. Overturning Roe cannot be
seen as a substitute for policies that can work RIGHT NOW to end abortion, namely supporting women and families.
Brought to you by Catholics United. For more information, visit www.catholics-united.org.

[bulloney]

38. How can our leaders say they are pro-life, while starting unjustified wars...

Have you read the mission statement of National Right to Life? They explicitly say they do not take a position on topics such as war and health care. Only abortion and stem cell issues.

The cynic in me thinks this is by design. If they were to take a position on wars, poverty and access to health care, it would muddy up the waters too much to where they couldn't endorse the straight Republican tickets that they usually do every election.

[Obamanaut]

39. That is an outstanding link. Thanks. Wife and I prepared a rebuttal

a few days ago to send to a fundie sister in law (married to retired minister, wife's brother). We had help from the prevent the smears people, but this is a great piece for a follow-up. Ms usnret88 is the only regular (read normal) one on that side of the family - I'm so glad she found me 40 years ago.

The original we received had about 25 CC addresses on it, and they all got a reply.

Thank you.

[Quantess]

17. What's this? Obama wants to legalize abortion!?

:eyes:

[ieoeja]

19. Well done!

Reminds me of an incident I heard my (now ex-)wife had with my mother and her sisters. My wife admitted to having an abortion when she was a teenager which prompted some name-calling by my mom and my aunts (I was not there). To everyone's surprise** their mother, my grandmother, came to my wife's defense. The argument finally built up to a shocking revelation:

My grandmother had an abortion when she was a child and impregnated by her father.

The shock was the abortion. Our family already knew her father was a horrible excuse for a human being***.


** My grandmother was the one person in the family we feared would offend my wife. My wife was Black and my grandmother was not shy talking about her racist upbringing. But it was an upbringing my grandmother rejected as she got older, so my wife loved her for it.

*** My grandmother's father was a latter William Henry Harrison, grandson of President Benjamin Harrison and great-great grandson of President William Henry Harrison. The plan was for him to be the next President Harrison. Raping and impregnating his daughter is not what ended the Harrison dynasty. Linking his political fortunes to the Ku Klux Klan did them in.

[AlCzervik]

20. it's amusing that her daughter had a choice but she thinks no one else should.

i've been out of the baby business for a long time but i would never want to make that choice for anyone, their choice, not mine.

[mitchum]

21. Hell yes!

[Window]

22. Wow! What a comeback.

:thumbsup:

[noiretextatique]

23. i don't understand people like this

who vote against their own economic best interests because someone might have an abortion :crazy:

[musicblind]

31. It is because they think it is murder.

They may very well be wrong in that opinion... but it is what they think and because they think that they see it as more important than money.

Imagine... if you paying higher taxes meant less murders... would you do it?

I know you don't think it's murder. I am a neutral party on the abortion issue who currently has no opinion because I see it as such a gray area. I don't want to take away a woman's right to control her body and at the same time... I'm anti murder. Just like I'm anti-war, anti-guns, and anti-death penalty. If only I was all knowing and knew when life begins.

I'll say this. There is no excuse for making a law that would deny a woman an abortion if she needed one for any kind of medical condition. Period. It is also clear that a baby in the very early stages of pregnancy is not a living thing. However, for me, the gray area comes in the later stage of pregnancy... but still... the mother's health should always come first.

Hence I am undecided but do not oppose pro-choice or pro-life candidates and still always support women's rights especially to protect their health.

Ps. I am a big fan of condoms, and all forms of birth control and believe they should be passed out at schools like candy.

[noiretextatique]

33. i am not sure i buy that argument

in the example presented, the supposedly "pro-life" woman took her own daughter to have an abortion. apparently she was able to suspend her beliefs long enough for an abortion to benefit her daughter, but she would deny that option to other women. and she's basing her voting decision on he supposedly "pro-life" beliefs.

[musicblind]

34. I think the example given is not the norm. But you are right to say that in the example given

there is no excuse for such hypocrisy. Either you think it is murder or you don't. Perhaps she thinks it is murder but is willing to kill for her daughter's comfort? If that is the case then that is even MORE sad than mere hypocrisy. Like I said. I am torn on the issue myself and am very open to hearing arguments from either side that could help me solidify a particular stance on the issue.

It is tough because both sides seem to have valid points. It might be murder = valid point. It is a woman's right to control her body and protect her health = valid point.

:(

It's why I normally stay out of the abortion threads. Which is odd. Normally I have strong opinions on everything rather than out right confusion.

[rexy]

36. It's not any different than the fact that

all the young pro-McCain people I know from high school/college believe that Obama is an evil anti-Christian muslim who wants to kill babies, yet they're the worst examples of "Christians".

They don't care about their own sins because God forgives. But if OTHER people sin or want to "enable sin", they're just evil people. :eyes:

[rexy]

35. I'm the same as you.

I believe in a woman's right to privacy and to decide what happens to her own body. I believe that every woman absolutely has a right to abortion, especially in the case of rape, incest, potential harm to the mother, and if birth control failed.

What I hate to see is people using abortion as a form of birth control. I knew a few girls in high school who were like that. Three abortions in high school alone! I'm by no means against sex, but shit, if you're going to do it, protect yourself. It's much less costly both financially and emotionally to use preventative measures.


That being said, a lot of the girls who had abortions had Republican parents. :eyes:

[Laelth]

24. Hypocrites!

Screwing us all over by voting (R) just because they feel guilty for not being able to live up to their own religious ideals!

:mad:

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[catlady]

29. BINGO!!

[Samantha]

26. God gives man (and woman) free will

Why can't Republicans?

Sam

[mimitabby]

27. send them to this website:

http://opinionstreams.com/blog/?p=65
here's a little of what he says:

I am an evangelical Christian with a record of voting in line with the Republican Party. This year, however, I am casting my vote for Barack Obama. My support for Obama stands on its own, and has been well documented throughout this blog. But why would an evangelical Christian vote for a Democrat? The answer is as much a reflection of what Obama stands for as it is what the GOP does not.

Last week I received an email from Dr. James Dobson – whose internet ministry I subscribe to – imploring me to “vote my values,” meaning to vote for the candidate whose “pro-life” and pro traditional marriage rhetoric carried Dr. Dobson’s stamp of approval. My immediate thought was: Why should I vote two of my values to the exclusion of all others? In that question lies the problem of the Christian allegiance to the Republican Party.

Since this country’s founding, Christians have politicized Biblical values (we have as much right to do so as any other group that wants this nation to reflect its beliefs) and have helped the U.S. become a beacon of light to the world. The problem, I now realize, with the union of Christians to the GOP, is that we’ve aligned ourselves with a spokes group that sees Christians as nothing more than a voting bloc to pander to with lip service about two passion-evoking issues while ignoring other values that form the core of our beliefs. And as they grip our hearts with life and marriage, the GOP exploits our values to demonize or vilify those with opposing viewpoints.

A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:34-35

GOP leadership has (perhaps with the willing participation of some Christian leaders) twisted and distilled our values to the point where we are just hot-button sound bites wrapped up in a platform designed to benefit the wealthy and corporate classes. In the process, they have turned uninformed Christians (me among them) into “single-issue voters,” sheepishly towing the Party line while it exploits the name of God and bastardizes our ideals to foment hatred, division and racism and to engender animosity toward Christians by associating us with a platform that is anathema to God’s love

[greenbriar]

30. oh, nice

going to send that to all my fundy family

[rexy]

37. This is perfect.

This is exactly what I don't understand about Republican Christian voters. I myself am Christian, but by no means Republican. They try to base their political beliefs off their faith, but completely miss the most important aspect of it. To love our neighbors and help those less fortunate. These are the people who shout and holler about their tax payer dollars going to help other people. These are the people who look down upon others because they don't "value life" or the "sanctity of marriage" yet have absolutely no compassion for the people who are already on Earth.

[greenbriar]

32. I am pretty sure her son had at least 1 girlfriend have an abortion

and probably more



yet they comment on how aweful my daughters lip ring is


and I know my daughter is a virgin