Anyone who thinks Palin has a political career past Nov 5th 2008 is smoking some serious crack

[LynneSin]

McCain had a chance in this election. Sure, he's a doddering old "get off my lawn" fool but he could have gone with an experienced & qualified person for his VP choice - one that would have appealed to everyone and not just the far radical right. Hell he could have even gone with several women for this position but he decided to stick with a choice picked for him from the evangelical right. He picked a woman mired in controversy and crookedness with a knocked up teenage kid and absolutely lack of knowledge to be local dog catcher let along VP of the United States.

McCain's pick of Sarah Palin was brilliant for about an hour until we actually hear the woman open her mouth and speak. He thought the 'PUMA' movement was real (Hillary 'supporters' who won't vote for Obama - all 3 of of them) and that American would vote for an attractive woman who had the brain capacity equal to that of a Barbie Doll.

Palin sunk the McCain campaign to an absolutely low level that I honestly don't think could ever be recovered. McCain had a chance at this election and blew it with bad pandering to women, fundies and men who think with their penis.

So anyone who thinks this bimbo (and seriously that's about as bright as she is) will be a force to reckon with in 2012 has to be smoking some serious crack. And we all know 'Crack is Whack' just like having Sarah Palin as your VP choice. Not only is McCain's campaign going down a toilet that cannot be repaired by 'Joe the Plumber' but Palin's career will die a slow death too. Alaskans, along with the rest of the world, are very aware that their governor is just as corrupt as their last governor (Frank Murkowski) along with other notable corrupt Alaskan republicans like Don Young and Ted Stevens (both who will probably lose in 2008). At this point I think something dead fished out of the dead waters of Lake Wasilla might have a better chance of wining the next Alaskan race for governor than Sarah Palin does.

Her career as a politician is toast; however, I cannot say that of her career as a news pundit somewhere out there like Faux News. Her and Elizabeth Hasselbeck could have their own show - Fox's Cute & Clueless. The rightwing masses will love it.

Her career is DOA come 11/4/2008 - none to soon for the rest of the world.

[Hutzpa]

1. She would disagree with you

in her fickle mind she thinks she's the next best thing...

you betcha....

[roguevalley]

53. depending how badly we beat the crap out of her when she gets

back, she will be out there shilling for the deadenders. as long as they have strength, the pukes won't be able to organize because she will NEVER let them go back to the center or anywhere near it. She is an AIP mole and she won't EVER give up.

[krkaufman]

56. Here's hoping she remains delusional enough to run in 2012 ...

... 'cause that will surely be the end of the unholy coalition of the religious Right and the greedy elite atop the Republican Party. The religious Right will not accept a nominee other than Palin in 2012, and she'll be torn apart during their primaries by competing candidates, permanently peeving the fundies.

[The Magistrate]

2. She Will Be A Wonderful Standard-Bearer For The Republicans In 2012, Ma'am

Without the impediment of McCain on the ticket, she could fire up the base to undreamt of heights, and get America back on the right track....

[Virginia Dare]

9. PLEASE PLEASE let us see..

her in a debate with Rudy, Mittsy, Hucky, Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal and Jebby Bush. That's must see teevee.

[yowzayowzayowza]

47. You are a...

bad bad man. :evilgrin:

[baldguy]

3. Name another national GOP figure that has the same amount of name recognition & financial backing?

She may not know much about economics, or science, or foreign relations - but she has the most important knowledge needed to succeed on Republican politics: how to kill the chances of her opponents.

[msallied]

7. Your subject line was used in reference to Hillary Clinton way back when

in regards to her ability to win the nomination and even the Presidency. But her money or her name recognition didn't exactly win the race. Not that I'm comparing HRC and Palin in any other way. Hillary is brilliant. But it takes more than money and a name to win an election. I think we can safely say that now.

[Virginia Dare]

14. I guess we've learned that people expect a minimal grasp..

of such things as Constitutional Law and foreign policy in order to be a serious contender in the arena. Even shrubya had that, or could at least fake it convincingly. That makes me feel a little better.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

18. True, but Hillary's career ain't dead either.

Palin might not ever win the Presidency or even the GOP nomination, but that doesn't mean it's over for her. I don't think it is by a long shot.

[msallied]

22. You make a good distinction. HRC will be around for a long time.

I think Palin will try, but she will fail epically.

[Virginia Dare]

26. She'll be one of the most powerful members of Senate..

she could become another Ted Kennedy if she chooses, or she may try for President again, who knows, but I agree, she'll be around for a long time. Palin, not so much.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

41. HRC is obviously miles more intelligent than Palin.

I could see Palin perhaps taking a Senate seat in Alaska after Begich's term. The difference between the two is that HRC is smart enough to know how to wield her influence, whereas Palin would not.

[LynneSin]

10. One could say that about Dan Quayle

He died a slow miserable political death too

[leftynyc]

29. Rudy and Mitt

both have the name recognition and the money.

[SidDithers]

4. Agree with one caveat...

her political career is done, but she's got a bright future as an oil industry lobbyist.

Sid

[TheZug]

5. I think you may be dead wrong (unfortunately for all of us).

She's shown that she's willing to do and say absolutely anything. She is willing to court the darkest elements of our society for support. I think she will be the darling of the nuts like Malkin, Hannity, and Limbaugh.

Someone else may emerge, but Romney and Huckabee have performed like buffoons. Their support will be nowhere near as passionate as her's. If she can score early wins, she's off.

The economy is likely to get worse before it gets better. She will exploit this and suggest Obama is taking money from hard-working whites and giving it to minorities. And if there's a terrorist attack, watch out. She's already shown she'll play the racist card regarding Muslims and Arabs.

I'd love for you to be right. But I fear that you're wrong. We dismiss her at our peril.

[LynneSin]

17. And she has done & said anything - and she's losing support.

Sewing up the fundie right is NOT enough votes to win the election. You also have to appeal to the undecided & moderates to keep them on your team too. Bush ran both of his presidential elections towards the middle in order to appeal towards those voters but had enough in him to keep the fundies happy too. Palin does not have that same ability. We know her schtick and we're not buying it.

[Virginia Dare]

20. I just saw a poll today..

suggesting that some rural evangelicals are breaking for Obama. In a crisis such as this, people will always vote their pocketbooks. The repub party will have to find another basket for their eggs.

[TheZug]

52. I hope you're right.

[pleah]

6. Mooseface mama doesn't stand a chance.

Her only supporters are the basest of the base. IMO.

[burythehatchet]

8. To be a Republick means you always go for the absolute lowest common

denominator. Palin/Joe the Douchebag '12!

[Virginia Dare]

11. Joe the dumbass plumber will be a rehab flunky a few times by then.....

and he will have just divorced his second Hollywood starlet.

[burythehatchet]

27. Exactly, Virginia, and that will earn him his Republick bones (assuming

of course that Jesus saves him).

[Midlodemocrat]

12. Your comments are remarkably unkind to Barbie Dolls.

Have some sensitivity.


:rofl:

[LynneSin]

31. Haruka - is that you

I know it is

[leftist.]

13. Dancing with the Stars?

Seriously though, if she wants to stay in national politics she's going to have to talk to the media and we know that she won't do that. Therefore ...

There is no future for Sarah in national politics. Also, why would Todd want to go through this again? I don't know him or how he thinks but he can't possibly be happy with having the mother of his children portrayed in contests, porno videos, subjected to GILF comments, and having Alec Baldwin tell her she's hott.

Your point about her sinking the McCain campaign is valid as well. While there is a 15-20% slice of the population that are hyper-enamored with her the rest of us are done with it and most astute conservatives have already denounced the pick as moronic.

[wiggs]

15. Depends entirely on the direction the GOP wants to take after Nov 4...

...in the aftermath of a landslide for Obama, does the GOP want to head more to the center and pick up independents and moderates for 2012?

or

...after losing a close 2008 race, do they hammer, slime, spread fear and mistrust about everything Obama and congressional dems do and try to fool enough people and whip up their base to rabid frenzy so that a new neocon has a chance in 2012? Palin is pure neocon heaven....intense ideological arrogance and decisiveness with little regard for facts or truth

[Virginia Dare]

16. They are in deep disarray..

I think the repubs are now facing a worse crisis than the Democrats did in 1968, or even the repubs did after Watergate. All these years they've been waiting for the second coming of Reagan, and he never came. Now the Reagan legacy is a big old stinky shitpile, and they have nowhere to turn. It's over, all over.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

19. I don't agree, and I'm not on crack.

Just because she wouldn't win, that doesn't mean she won't try. And it also doesn't mean that there won't be masses of wingnuts that won't try to get her at least the nomination either.

Seriously though, if you can't see her possibly being the throwaway candidate in a 2012 election where (I hope) there is absolutely no chance of anyone beating Obama, I'd say you're the one passing the pipe around.

[Midlodemocrat]

23. I agree with you in theory, but I think even the wingnuts

have to be concerned about the whipping up of her base into a frenzy that we've seen at her rallies.

It's offputting to a lot of folks, not just us.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

39. I don't think it's offputting to enough of us, unfortunately.

Shit, 24% wouldn't mind seeing Bush run again. If those are all concentrated within the Republican party in a primary process, it's enough to make him competitive at very least. I think 24% would also accurately describe Palin's "true believers", and they're likely the exact same people.

[Virginia Dare]

24. The age of the evangelical voter is over for now..

as the economic crisis deepens, and it will, people will be less concerned with social issues than they have been in many years. If Obama can successfully govern from the middle and guide us through this debacle, the republicans will have to look elsewhere for devoted support.

[LynneSin]

30. Oh she'll try, if she's not convicted of anything beforehand

The republican party has some standards

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

35. Not in Alaska!

See: Sen. Stevens. :-)

[Matariki]

21. I think you are 99.9% correct

the only point I disagree with you on is that her political death will occur relatively quick. By the time Obama is inaugurated Palin will be gone.

[davepc]

25. depends if the White Collar Criminal wing of the party can kneecap her or not

If they can, then shes toast.

If they cant.....She'll be a factor.

[Bake]

28. The Puke primaries in 2012 ought to be fun to watch!

My prediction: she'll run, go down in flames, and take the religious right with her.

Bake

[seabeyond]

32. yup. like cenk said.... oh please, yes do put her up in 2012. and i say, joe the idiot

as vp

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

33. She will be around for a while because the dumbest, most racist fundies

love her. That's a not inconsiderable slice of the Repig pie. It's not a majority, but it may be a small plurality. The real question is whether she's gonna get recalled or impeached in AK. If so, then she is done. If not, or if she survives, there are enough hammerheads out there in Repukeland that think the Moose Princess is some sort of wet-dream fusion of God Warrior and Jenna Jameson to keep her going at least into the primaries in '12. Not that I think she'll get far, and given the high probability of fratricidal warfare and circular firing squads for the next few years over in Repig country, the nomination in '12 may not be worth a bucket of moose muffins in any case.

[zulchzulu]

34. My RNC friend says they will throw her under the bus like Kathleen Harris

A guy I work with who has direct access to RNC peeps says they will allow the scandals brewing on Palin to eat her alive... she is radioactive except for the fundy base, which they are also hoping to show the door at some point...

[LynneSin]

36. The problem with Palin is they don't have a small repuke stronghold district to give her

She's toast. That's what I hate about the republican party. These women sell their soul to women and then get screwed over in the long run anyways

[Sebastian Doyle]

37. Apparently some 'Pukes are already trying to put her in Ted Stevens' senate seat.

God.... just imagine... Moosealini, chief obstructionist in the Senate. Saying just enough stupid shit to get her daily soundbite on the evening news, and four years of corporate media worship leading up to 2012.

Not that I think she would win.... I just can't stand listening to her :banghead:

[alison]

38. Perhaps it's time to revamp "The Surreal Life."

No more Paris and Nicole - oh no, they'll be replaced by Sarah and Elisabeth.

Same premise - send them to places that they aren't used to. While Paris and Nicole hit up Wal Mart and summer camp, Sarah and Elisabeth can visit Planned Parenthood and Harlem.

[knixphan]

40. And besides-

Our job is to educate our brothers and sisters over the next 4 years, so the amount of gullible, xenophobic, low-info Americans goes down.

Reduces the GOP base. Yay us!

[juno jones]

42. There is some big ammo against her

Which hasn't been fired this season.

From Troutfishing's Diary at Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/28/233856/53/419/645370

And there is more. Both Troutfishing and Dogemperor have extensive diaries on her connections and involvement with these groups.

Fundies are not monolithic like those outside of their culture would assume. Palin belongs to a sect (cult, really) which is considered heretical and blasphemous by most mainstream evangelicals. Her sect has an MO of taking over churches from the top down and her dog whistle us against them stuff is designed to fly under the radar with evangelicals whilst subtly infiltrating and undermining them.

If it gets out in Evangelical circles that she is connected with these groups and is subverting evangelicals for her own cult (which she is) she's toast, even with the hard-core. The only reason she's getting away with it now, is because her associations have never been spelled out to the mainstream. A presidential bid would put that kind of information front and center. Hell, Huck is probably just dying to use it against her to shore up his own fundie base.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

43. You give Republicans too much credit. They are shallow and uninformed.

The fact that ANY of them support her is amazing.

[Shakespeare]

44. Never underestimate the stupidity and venality of the republicans.

We may not have seen the last of that vile creature.

[JimWis]

45. I have to agree. It's my bet she will disappear off the radar.

[SprintSpeed]

46. she's not just doin' it for naught dontchakno! lol

[workinclasszero]

48. The republicans have ceded the moderate vote to the democratic party

Any rethug pol who wants to control the party will have to bow down to the hardcore flat earth racists that make up the republican base.

They created the monster known as Hate Radio and those fascists will demand strict obedience to fear, ignorance and hate. Soon the rethuglican monster is going to turn cannibal and eat the party alive! I can't wait!:popcorn:

I fully expect Palin to be the next standard bearer for the thug party. What will the intellectual rethugs do then???:rofl:

I see the republican party locked into a losing fringe party mode for years and years. They will never win a national election again with just their base and those brownshirts will never again allow another so called moderate in the McCain mold to head the ticket again.

The intolerance and hate of the rank and file republicans carried the seeds of their own destruction right into their dark hearts.

[unblock]

49. you have to imagine what she would be like AFTER GOING TO SCHOOL

palin is obviously a newcomer to the national stage and clearly had ZERO preparation. she didn't spent her time as governor getting her feet wet in national politics, and mclame aggravated the situation by giving her ZERO notice before pushing her under the microscope.

she's not ready to be veep today, she's certainly not ready for 2012 today, either.

but in imagining 2012, you have to imagine what she'll do with that extra time. IF she spends the next year or two seriously prepping, then she could be formidable. IF she goes to school on the issues and politics, she'll be able to speak more authoritatively and knowledgeably. she's not nearly so funny a candidate if she becomes harder to trip up.

remember also that the right-wing brand of politics doesn't require much training.


most of her weaknesses are not incorrigible. quayle was actually fairly accomplished and nowhere near as dumb as his image, but his presence was incorrigible. once the "deer in the headlights" meme got out he was screwed. quayle could explain einstein's theories without a script and people would still laugh and call him stupid.

you won't hear much from her for about about a year and then she'll come out and it'll be a whole new ball game. i don't think we need to be overly fearful of her, but i don't think she's done on the national scene at all.

[Shallah Kali]

50. Never underestimate the power of fundamentalists. they think their souls are at stake

some think that Jesus won't come back until they take over the world like Palin's favorite witch hunter Muthee preaches. Even now Palin still has followers at her rallies bigger than mccain. The best I hope for is that they are weakened enough by gop infighting that she will be stuck running as a third party politican who only ends up with a post she can't do too much harm in.

Too many times the age of the right wing religious as over only for them to keep rearing their ugly heads trying to ban women's reproductive rights in colorado and south dakota, banning gay marriage because the last thing the world needs is teh gays committing monogamy, supporting bush and bushite policies, harassing non-Christian cadets in the air force, trying to ban the teaching of evolution and have bible courses in public schools.

when a fundamentalist relgious group advocates infiltration of my government, of the business world, and other places of power I take them seriously and I hope others do the same. While I doubt they will ever totally succede at their goals we have seen what damage they can do with someone leaning their way like bush in power.

[Timmy5835]

51. Turn out the lights the party's over

Palin had her 15 minutes of fame and if she loses that's all she'll get. If you don't believe me name a national politician of either strip who was able to come back after a lose for the Executive Office. When you run for the White House you only get ONE chance.

[struggle4progress]

54. But I still intend to say "Sarah Palin, the new face of the Republican Party" for at least a year

[Two Sheds]

55. The upcoming internecine battle for the GOP will make this election look pleasant.

The Palin wing are now, by far, the biggest single bloc in the party. These are people who don't mind losing for a "good" cause. They are wrong on every single issue and they don't care. Compared to the rest of the Republican caucus they have consistency on their side and in a phone booth battle like this that goes a long way.
Of course, this is a battle that's been a long time coming. The Republicans asked for this and now they will get it. Palin may not win this battle and become party leader (God knows she doesn't deserve to win any political battle) but beating her and nominating someone who doesn't have the blessing of the fundamentalist right will doom the party in 2012 and might cripple the religious right for several election cycles.
The best outcome for the GOP is to let them win and nominate Palin in 2012. She'll get her ass kicked but once she loses as the nominee she'll never be on another ticket. She'll be out of the way and the fundamentalists will appreciate that she was given the chance. That will make them more likely to be good soldiers in 2016 when the Republicans try to jam one more Bush down our throats.

[krawhitham]

57. Meth not crack