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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:31 PM
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Electoral college maps are clues to how different the dynamics are in each election.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 12:32 PM by ProSense



2008:



Obama is in great shape. I think he'll get a significant share of the popular vote, but it's unlikely his electoral map will look like Reagan's or Clinton's.

Reagan's percentage of the popular vote (50.7%) was exactly the same as Bush Jr.'s (50.7%) and Clinton's (43.0%) was only a couple of points more than Carter's (41.0%).

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:48 PM
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1. No comment? n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:10 PM
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2. FiveThirtyEight's Road to 270
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:44 PM
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19. I want him to run the table. wouldn't that be cool?
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:21 PM
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3. The history is interesting... but the context is always different.
You have to look at what issues were driving the election each of those years.

Reagan-Carter
- Iran Crisis
- Economic Crisis ("stagflation")

Clinton-Bush
- Iraq war
- Bush's apparent disinterest in winning
- Perot bleeding off votes in the S
- Mild economic woes

Bush-Kerry
- Angst about terror.
- Economy seemingly off the table.
- Kerry's anticharisma.

Obama-McCain
- Economic Crisis
- Obama connecting with middle class.


I smell blowout... the only thing that's hurting Obama is people fearing him for whatever reasons unfounded or not (Race, Guns, Taxes, etc.)...

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:34 PM
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4. It's funny that you include this
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 01:50 PM by ProSense
"Kerry's anticharisma" as a factor when youth turn out was up for Kerry, but you don't list any of the problems with the election.

Kerry had his appeal:

But the most raucous applause came when Mr. Kerry took the stage, visibly amazed at the size of the crowd on such a wilting afternoon.

more


(another)



So I take that comment as an opinion rather than a fact.





edited extra word, clarity

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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:08 PM
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8. But them there's Kerry explaing his "depends" joke ad-nausium
He may have charisma, but sometimes he just doesn't connect.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:14 PM
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11. That's about as relevant as
nothing.

Seriously.

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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:16 PM
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14. It's an example... sometimes he can speak... sometimes he's got no personality.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 03:22 PM by iiibbb
I'm not the only person who's noticed this... just Google John Kerry anti charisma... I literally just did this.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/articles/how_to_make_a_senator_sweat/

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040719/nicholsweb
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 04:51 PM
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16. You cannot be serious?
You post an article about a challenger Kerry beat with 70% of the vote?

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:09 PM
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9. Nice pic
But he was so boring on unenthusiastic. Obama is fun and he is a saint. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:01 PM
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12. It certainly is. n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:26 PM
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15. Yep.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 03:28 PM by politicasista
For somebody that didn't excite people that's was awesome! Obama's crowds are even more awesome too! :)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:31 PM
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20. Obama's campaign has been awesome.
I look forward to seeing how the map is redrawn.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:37 PM
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5. Obama gets Virginia and it's over, he doesn't even need Ohio or Florida..
And I think there is no way he loses Virginia :wow:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:46 PM
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7. Yup.
He's in a great position.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:44 PM
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6. The anomaly:
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 01:51 PM by ProSense
Gore's percentage (48.4%) of the popular vote was .5% higher than Bush's (47.9%)



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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:13 PM
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10. It's identical to the Jesusland map
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 02:15 PM by TrogL
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 03:11 PM
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13. NH will stay blue
NH McCain Leadership Committee member endorses Obama

This is leadership we can believe in, my friends. From an Obama campaign press release:

MANCHESTER – Fred Bramante, a member of McCain's New Hampshire Leadership Committee and a 2008 Alternate Delegate to the Republican National Convention today announced his support for Senator Obama's Campaign for Change.

Bramante, a Co-Chair of Gov. Mike Huckabee's presidential campaign and former Republican gubernatorial candidate, is a past Chairman and current member of the New Hampshire State Board of Education. His endorsement marks the first time nationally that a delegate or alternate delegate to the 2008 Republican National Convention has publicly announced their decision to support Sen. Obama.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:26 PM
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17. In five days
a new map will be drawn.

Yay!

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 07:38 PM
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18. he can come within 16 EVs of Clinton
He will not get several states that Clinton got: GA, WV KY LA AR TN for a total of 55 EVs we won't win

Obama will win a few states that Clinton lost: NC, VA, IN (maybe) for a total gain of 39 EVs. Our total 354. Close to Clinton's 370.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 08:28 AM
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21. Possibly.
I think Obama will close the popular vote gap in a lot of states, and that's significant.



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