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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:24 AM
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Sherri Just Left Elisabeth Speechless On 'The View' On Opting Out Of Financing
She said "You told me to go to FactCheck.Org, and I did. It said McCain tried to opt out of public financing in Feb." Elisabeth's mouth dropped open. Why aren't more people bringing this up?
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:26 AM
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1. I think I forgot about that... what was the issue he ran into?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:26 AM
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3. That he had already accepted public funds and couldnt just change his mind
if memory serves.
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ptolle Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:41 AM
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17. collateral
My memory which sometimes falters seems to recall that mcinane used the possibility of public financing as collateral for a loan to his campaign. He , not unusual for him, wrong-footed himself got caught in the middle and couldn't go either way without looking like a bigger hypocrite and fool than he already is.So of course his natural response is to lie about the situation.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:24 AM
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32. That's right, it was the collateral to back the loan... thanks for the reminder...
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:23 PM
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38. ha ha ha... funny!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:23 PM
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39. ha ha ha... funny!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:26 AM
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4. A Bank Loan nt
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:27 AM
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5. He had taken out a loan on the promise he would take public financing
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:28 AM
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8. He used the promise of public financing to get on the primary ballots.
He used the promise of public financing to bypass the financial and/or petition requirements to get on the ballot for the primaries.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:26 AM
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2. McCain opted out of public financing for the primary.
Obama opted out of public financing for the general (and the primary.)

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:27 AM
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6. If McCain had opted-out, he'd be in jail.
Because he took out a loan for his campaign using his public financing as collateral to secure it.
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bluebutterfly Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:23 AM
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30. McCain opted out
McCain sent a letter to the FEC on Feb.6/08.
The reply from the FEC:
http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/FECtoMcCain.PDF
At that time, there was not a quoram at FEC to have a hearing.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:23 AM
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31. Oh, yeah. Why isn't he in jail? n/t
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:15 PM
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46. Welcome to DU!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:24 AM
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33. He'd be guilty of violating a law he WROTE...
That takes some nerve to violate McCain Feingold, when your own name is on the law...
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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:27 AM
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7. Anythign that gets that loony to shut up for a second is worth a Rec. nt
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:30 AM
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11. I think we should contact abc again and demand that
elizabeth apologize and retract her statements. she has said so many times on air that Obama looked McCain in the eye and then went back on his word.. thus proving you can't trust him as president. I posted yesterday I was at a restaurant and heard people talking about the view and agreeing with elizabeth because they didn't know better.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:28 AM
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9. Sherri's generally a twit
but she really has been trying lately...Joy is a Democrat, but sometimes she just isn't up on the research for certain things, and it's disappointing that Elizabeth is able to ramble on with her talking points and is rarely called on it...but Sherri has been doing well. Elizabeth has no idea what the hell she's talking about as usual...she said the other day that Obama "looked McCain straight in the eye and promised him that he would take public financing" or some bs that never happened...I wish they would talk about how Obama never really pledged, and that it was on the condition that they wouldn't use 527s.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:25 PM
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45. Yes, I give Sherri credit for that
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:29 AM
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10. When anything not on the Hannity script is revealed, she gets a little confused.
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 10:29 AM by mmonk
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:34 AM
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13. Exactly...
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:40 AM
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16. Bingo! He uses her like a remote mouthpiece on The View. And she pretends it's her own thoughts.
It's so obvious because it's word for word repitition of his same blather.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:46 AM
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20. It was confirmed for me that she talks to Hannity
a few weeks ago. She slipped and said, "When I talked to him this morning....."!! They were discussing Faux News and his name came up. That is when she made the mistake of admitting she had talked to him and I would bet that she talks to him every morning before coming on the show.
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:54 PM
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42. To tell her her thoughts for the day. Agreed.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:31 AM
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12. The DNC has been trying to sue McCain since earlier this year
and I have posted about it every time. The lefty blogs have not covered it, no one has covered it, the media has ignored it.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2253

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:01 AM
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25. Thx Mad.
You've generated alot of good work during this election/primary.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:37 PM
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41. 2nd that.
:hi:
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bluebutterfly Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:05 AM
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28. Complaint to FEC against Mc Cain..
Firedoglake covered it extensively.
Video of Jane delivering complaint to the FEC..March 26/08.
http://firedoglake.com/bloggers-file-fec-complaint-against-john-mccain/

List of bloggers and others:
http://action:firedoglake.com/page/petition/mccainfec
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 01:54 AM
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48. AMERICAblog has covered it...
John Aravosis was all over it in March and was quite angry that none of the MSM seemed to give a flying BFD that

John McCain was in violation of the FEC law
(McCain-Feingold Act) that he himself helped to create.

:banghead:
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:37 AM
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14. Its not even that. The point we should be taking away from this ...
is that Obama PLAYS TO WIN. He's not afraid to ruffle feathers to get the right result long term. We should take comfort that he will stand up for us on the world stage and will not be taken advantage of as some detractors claim.

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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:48 AM
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22. Actually, the point is that he NEVER agreed to public finance in the first place!
Edited on Thu Oct-30-08 10:48 AM by demdog78
Saying you will sit down and talk about something does NOT mean you are going to just do it. The talks didn't happen because McCain wouldn't agree to reign in the 527s.

THAT is what we should take from it. :toast:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:39 AM
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15. No one is bringing it up because nobody gives a shit one way or the other.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:41 AM
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18. Good for her!
Been yelling at my teevee for days. The bastard took the public financing then backed out of it.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:43 AM
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19. Elisabeth didn't check out her own facts before she made her stupid claims.
"Barack Obama looked John McCain in the eye and made a promise blah blah blah..."

She deserves to have someone make a fool of her, even if it's Sherri Shepherd.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:01 AM
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26. That's why she's the perfect repub mouthpiece...n/t
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:50 AM
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36. Because Elizabeth just repeats the BS that Hannity says...
without ever checking to see if it's true. Sherry has made some dumb statements (ex: not knowing if the earth is flat) but she seems to be willing to learn and educate herself on issues. I've been impressed with Sherry during this presidential campaign (although I only see the clips online). Elizabeth doesn't care about facts...she would rather blindly follow rightwingers.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:47 AM
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21. contact abc
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:56 AM
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23. Sherri *is* trying
but she said that she is still undecided. How could anyone be undecided at this point?

I do like that she is obviously doing her own research and checking things out as opposed to Elizabeth's mindless spouting of the daily talking points.

I am sooooo looking forward to watching Elizabeth cry and pout after Tuesday. And then when she starts bashing Obama, they can tell her that she needs to respect the office of the president as she was so fond of doing when they criticized Bush.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 08:23 PM
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44. so gonna love that
I might even start taping it again



TWIT moments will be fun to do
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 10:59 AM
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24. I always answer the Repig fib about campaign financing...
Obama would have done the campaign financing limitations IF McCain or whoever he was running against was going to take the 527s out of the mix... that's the HUGE HOLE in the McCain/Feingold legislation.

Look what happened to Kerry in 2004 when he took campaign financing limitations... he got hammered by 527s and couldn't do anything about it...

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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:02 AM
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27. I saw it, too. It was priceless!
Who knew it would be Sherri, not Joy, who would leave Elisabeth speechless? I loved it! :rofl:
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mr poe Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:21 AM
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29. On the other hand...
how hard can it be, really, to outsmart Elisabeth Hasselbeck? ;)
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:27 AM
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34. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 11:38 AM
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35. It seems to get easier every day, LOL!
Welcome to DU! :hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:17 PM
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37. Here's an article with Dean on it in February..
<snip>

"CNN) -- Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean accused Republican presidential front-runner John McCain of trying to skirt campaign finance laws Sunday by trying to opt out of public financing for his primary campaign.

Howard Dean says John McCain has been trying to dodge some campaign finance laws.

1 of 2 Dean told reporters McCain has already used the prospect of nearly $6 million in federal matching funds -- which he now says he won't claim -- as collateral for a January campaign loan and to obtain automatic ballot access in every state.

Dean said he was filing a complaint with the Federal Election Commission to block McCain from quitting the public financing system, which imposes a spending cap on candidates.

"The law is very, very clear," Dean said. "He cannot be let out of the matching fund program if he has already used the promise of matching funds for loan collateral, and it's already clear from his FEC report that he has used that promise."


<move>
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/24/mccain.finance/index.html
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 12:30 PM
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40. Elisabeth is vile. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:35 PM
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43. Here's another article on this from DUer BostonTLover..
Yep, there's more articles, but here is one
Posted by BostonTLover
There's more articles out there, but just quickly browsing, I found this:

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2008/02/mccai...

"In plain English, McCain got the loan by promising a publicly-funded bailout, if anything went wrong. The FEC is not amused.

McCain opted for public financing when his campaign was struggling last summer. Then, when his electoral fortunes rebounded, he told the FEC he wanted out again.

Rick Hansen of the Election Law blog writes, "Meanwhile, as Marc Schmitt has documented (see here, here, and here), McCain, in applying for a campaign loan, apparently promised to remain a candidate and opt back in to the system in the event his campaign faltered again."

McCain didn't get the public money in his pocket, but he borrowed against the promise of public money. In the eyes of the FEC, benefiting from the prospect of public money may be tantamount to taking the cash.

McCain could be in big trouble if the FEC won't release him from the program. Public financing imposes strict spending and fund raising limits. McCain has already burned through about $46 million, betting on his ability to raise still more money from private donors.

What a smarmy sleazeball. The McCain of McCain Feingold can't even make it to through the primary without embroiling himself in shady private financing schemes."



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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 09:18 PM
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47. Wait. Sherri can read?
Sherri smacking Lizbeth is proof that things have gotten way out of hand.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-31-08 02:55 AM
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49. What's up with the Republican party
pushing these bimbos like Hassleback, Palin, the fox news anchorbabes into positions they're not qualified for?

Am I the only one that's noticed that?
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