Obama is a Socialist

[BeFree]

Obama wants government to continue doing socialist things. Things like keeping roads open and free, schools for everyone, fire and police departments under citizens' control, and funding the defense of all of us!


Anyone who disagrees must be a facist!

[Heidi]

1. If that's the worst thing they can say about him, they're not trying very hard. (nt)

[renie408]

2. No shit. And what about McCain wanting to buy everybody's mortgages?

Isn't THAT socialist?

[faithfulcitizen]

3. I agree with your point, but I really don't like your title.

[BeFree]

6. Huh?

The truth hurts you somehow? Are you anti-socialist?

[faithfulcitizen]

25. I don't believe it to be the truth, so no it doesn't hurt me.

We can debate the degree to which the US is socialist all day and not get anywhere. I have been arguing with repubs & indies in defense of socialistic policies which are required of any government until I'm blue in the face. However, it is not in our best interest or helpful to the Obama campaign to state "Obama is a Socialist".

[BeFree]

29. Shoot

The campaign is over. What we've got to do now is get socialism perfected. We do that by admitting we are to a large degree socialistic and Obama is gonna make things better.

[faithfulcitizen]

31. "The campaign is over" I could not disgree more. Over is Nov. 5th.

[BeFree]

32. I understand

And that's fine. You may actually make a difference in how a few people vote. For me, as long as it's not stolen (it won't be) its over and now is the time to get moving toward the establishment of the best America can be. And the best of America in the past has a socialist lean. So we build on the best or we burn it down. Let us build, eh?

[Dawgs]

8. I love the title, because there's nothing wrong with being a socialist.

:hi:

[elocs]

11. Nothing except that it's not going to help you win votes in this election

and elections really are about winning votes and not seeing how much of the electorate you can alienate. In the real world of American politics the vast majority of the voters do not like the connotation of socialist or socialism.

[BeFree]

15. Oh yeah?

Well they (even I) used to say a black could never get elected as Pres. Looks like the vast majority is not to be believed, eh?

Its what Change is all about.

[elocs]

16. Yeah. This election, right now. Embracing socialism is not going to win any votes.

Obama, in this election, will never embrace the mantle of socialism. It won't happen.

[BeFree]

17. Duh

So that's why we, the people, need to embrace it. Don't be afraid to admit we as a country are socialist to a large degree. In fact admit that some of the best things this country does for the people are very socialist at its core. Obama will come around.

[elocs]

21. "Duh". Brilliant comeback. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I will no longer be reading your posts.

[BeFree]

22. Oh noes!!

Please come back. I won't tell anyone you're afraid of socialism!

[grantcart]

4. like that socialistic Center for Disease Control -- socialized public health

[BeFree]

36. Just one example of...

.... the good things our government can do for everyone. Why the supposedly American loving right-wingers don't see that is beyond me.

[rucky]

5. Don't forget Alaskan oil dividends.

oh, wait.

[Captain Hilts]

14. Alaska gets back $1.84 for every $ it sends to DC. NJ gets back 65 cents. Some deal!

[Jed Dilligan]

7. I love the power they ascribe to him,

like he can singlehandedly destroy all they hold near and dear. I wish it were like that! However, their constant trumpeting of what dire things Obama can bring about only serves to make him look powerful and effective in the eyes of the general public. People (obviously) don't know what socialism is anymore; the talk will just make him seem like the agent of massive change that we have been awaiting for so long.

[BeFree]

10. My idea of socialism, basically is

Family and community first.

[whistle]

9. They are fascists, that is "f_a_s_c_i_s_t", but Obama is not a socialist

...he is a democrat following what democrats did under FDR and his New Deal to save America from becoming fascist.

It was Keynesian Economics, it saved America and made this country strong and wealthy and far more democratic than any other country in that period and continued to function that way through to 1968 when Richard Nixon took the presidency and began the slow unraveling of everything FDR had accomplished for the average citizen under the New Deal.

Now we find ourselves once more at the threshold of fascism and corporatism with $700 billion bailouts and nationalization of the banks and key industries, etc.

Obama can put us in the right direction.

[BeFree]

13. Oh... yes he is. And so am I

Even Mcsame is somewhat of a socialist. Shoot, you can't be part of the American government and not be somewhat socialist.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Then ask McCain to give up the socialized medicine he's had for his ENTIRE life!

[BeFree]

19. McCain is a socialist!

Surprising, eh?

[David__77]

18. Is McCain inadvertantly popularizing socialism?

All this talk from evil right-wingers about the evils of socialism must surely be increasing people's interest in it as an ideology. It will be interesting to see the effects in academic and activist circles.

[BeFree]

20. Its got me going

Made me think: What is the best about America? All I could come up with is its socialist bearings.

[David__77]

23. "From each according to ability, to each according to work."

That the socialist principle for income distribution, straight from Marx and Engels. Isn't that what the Republicans PRETEND to support: the idea that harder, more productive work will be rewarded with greater income? I guess it's how you define "value." What is the social value of the labor product of a Wall Street investment banker? Is it 80 times the value of an auto production worker? How about a holder of hereditary wealth who invests the money? More than that of a McDonald's shift worker? The right will say that the market is the perfect indicator of "value," but they support $700 bailouts in contradiction to the market, and support all sorts of market interventions...

[BeFree]

24. Yep

"Government" said Reagan, "is not the solution, its the problem"

Well, I guess they blew that all to hell. Now they say "Government is the solution, stick 'em up." Bastids.

[Uzybone]

26. By that definition

Reagan was a socialist. So is Bush, Clinton, JFK and every president since Lincoln.

Oh and so's McCain.

[BeFree]

28. Well

Is it a wrong definition? Isn't the American government socialistic? Is it supposed to be for the People? Or for profits?

[Forkboy]

27. Don't I wish.

:)

[BeFree]

30. He is, it is true.

Now we work to make it the best it can be. Better health care, higher taxes on the rich and spread the wealth. Good ideas, no?

[Forkboy]

33. They certainly work for me.

:)

[baldguy]

34. Fascists like socialism just fine.

It's just that they make it benefit only their friends & allies rather than everybody.

[BeFree]

35. Yeah

Their motto: Privatize the profits and socialize the costs.

And then they get to call us names that we shrink from, like socialist! F that.

[BeFree]

37. Kick, 'cuz

We need to come to terms with what socialism means. I compare it to capitalism which I consider to be, "every wo/man for itself" and socialism as what's good for the most of us.

Roads are good for the most and government operates them pretty well... better than a private firm(s) ever could.