Carville on GOP“There’s basically going to be nothing left standing,”

[tekisui]

Two Democratic pollsters and strategists predicted Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will win the presidential election in a landslide, and that there will be no Republican infrastructure left standing after Election Day.

“There’s basically going to be nothing left standing,” strategist James Carville said Friday.

Carville and pollster Stan Greenberg, talking to reporters at a breakfast hosted by The Christian Science Monitor, said Republicans are poised to not just lose an election, but lose a generation as well.

The two well-known Democratic players also said the 2008 election will, from top to bottom, mirror the Democratic wins of 2006.

“We haven’t had two wave elections like this,” Greenberg said.

A new poll that Greenberg conducted shows Obama up nine percentage points with 11 days to go before Election Day, and both men predicted an “earthquake” election with Obama getting 52-53 percent of the vote.

Carville and Greenberg both argued that Obama’s and Republican rival Sen. John McCain's (Ariz.) very different reactions to the financial crisis were the main reason why the Illinois Democrat is on the verge of a big win.

Carville said his initial reaction to the news that McCain was suspending his campaign in September to be in Washington to address the crisis was that it was “a practical joke.”

more: http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/dem-pollsters-see-electoral-earthquake-2008-10-24.html

[ncgrits]

1. Bush's legacy: the destruction of the Republican party

Now that's something that should make it to the history books.

[ingac70]

5. That will make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

38. if we cant get them thrown in jail

its the next best thing knowing theyve ruined their party for ages to come.

not that they care, they got the money and power they needed.

bush and co have never been about the party.
lol

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. Well, it's been an awful last eight years

But at least we'll (hopefully) be getting something even better out of it!!!!

[Laelth]

45. If it happens, it will be the only good thing he ever did for America.

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[WindRiverMan]

52. He destroyed everythihg else he touched...why not the GOP?

[terrya]

2. I'd also suggest to these guys that picking Sarah Palin was a "practical joke"

In hindsight.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. I agree. Carvelle hasn't been actually informative for a very long time.

He's still funny sometimes, but he misses a hell of a lot what's going on.

5 months ago, this guy was claiming Obama would be the end of Democrats hopes. He had the same take on Howard Dean as Chair of the DNC.

In fact, it slightly unnerves me that Carvelle is so sure of an Obama landslide. Although that certainly seems to be how it's shaping up.

[Uzybone]

71. To be fair

he is one of the most hardcore Clintonites. He was speaking from the Clintonite position when he said those things about Obama and Dean in the past.

[invictus]

3. Good ridance. I can't wait for this eight-year nightmare of Republican rule to finally be over.

nt

[yardwork]

11. More like 28 year rule. We've been suffering since 1980.

I hope that this is the end of the reagan revolution, reagan republicans, and reaganomics.

[skooooo]

32. I'd push it back to '68...

Nixon was no bowl of cherries. Of course, he wasn't a right-wing fundie, but he set the stage for them.

[glitch]

43. I'd push it back to '63...

Actually, '52 when Eisenhower got Nixon foisted on him.

[nolabels]

53. That be funny :-)

(snip)
In the 1960 election to choose his successor, Eisenhower endorsed his own Vice President, Republican Richard Nixon against Democrat John F. Kennedy. However, he only campaigned for Nixon in the campaign's final days and even did Nixon some harm. When asked by reporters at the end of a televised press conference to list one of Nixon's policy ideas he had adopted, he replied, "If you give me a week, I might think of one." Kennedy's campaign used the quote in one of its campaign commercials. Nixon lost narrowly to Kennedy.
(snip)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower

[DUlover2909]

62. It could have ended for good if Clinton hadn't cheated on his wife.

That still pisses me off. If only Al Gore would have been able to ride the success train into the White House, things would be very different. The Neocons would have been dead and buried. I forgive him and I still love the Clintons but I wish the last 8 years hadn't happened.

[Phredicles]

16. Eight years? Bah, I want this to mean the destruction of Reaganism;

plow the smoldering ruins with salt, etc., etc.

[shagsak]

37. Never, republicans absolutely worship reagan

and that, my friends, will never change.

[Phredicles]

39. Sure, but I'm hoping the rest of the country (esp. moderates) can now

stop pretending he was anything but an extended fiasco.

[shagsak]

40. The truth is out there for those who want to hear it

It's all a matter of who wants to listen.

[CreekDog]

56. while i agree with you, Reagan was freaking Lincoln compared to occupiers of the White House

:crazy:

[polichick]

65. I agree - it started with Reagan...

The Republicans have stood in the way of progress for decades, especially when it comes to green energy and global warming.

[AspenRose]

4. GOOD

Reap what you sow.

Maybe conservatives with a conscience can reclaim their party and let the neocon fundy whack jobs start their OWN party.

[CrispyQ]

22. I hope that happens.

Hopefully the true conservatives of the party have realized that courting the wackos for their votes backfired. The wackos hijacked their party.

I'm tired of the mean divisiveness in this country. Yesterday KewlKat posted, "We have become a "reality" based society......voting each other off the planet." I'm tired of this shit. We sink or sail together.

[old mark]

6. I do beleve the GOP will split. They are running on fumes now,

they have NO serious candidates in the near future. They will get rid of the snake handler reverend rightists (possibly with Palin) and try to recruit the country clubbers and their emulators.
They will still have Newt and Pat, but no one serious in the center except maybe Mitt and Arlen Specter.

mark

[blueclown]

7. An earthquake election?

And yet Obama only gets 52-53% of the vote?

To me, an earthquake election would be Obama getting 55%+ of the vote.

[tekisui]

9. Get ready. Current polls suggest 52-53%

That can easily translate to a 375 EV win.

And, I expect an "Obama Effect". He will outperform the polls. 55% is not unrealistic.

[RagAss]

50. Only if we all vote.

[ErinBerin84]

8. If we win (which of course I'm very optimistic about)

I can't WAIT for the blame game to begin! And for the McCain staffers to start blabbing...already factions in the McCain camp supposedly.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/the_disclosure_that_the_republ.php

11 Days Out, And The Whispering Begins

There's a faction within the McCain campaign has begun to whisper about Gov. Sarah Palin to reporters. The faction includes staff members and advisers who consult with staff members. It does not seem to include any members of the senior staff, although the definition of the senior staff here is a bit elastic.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. ... except corporate usa, big consolidated media, conservative courts and the think tank industry.

We still have work to do. This is just the first step.

[JBoy]

12. I hope they rebuild their party without the religious right.

[ErinBerin84]

15. do you know if Bobbdy Jindal is loved by the Religous right?

I know that he is very religious, and Chuck Todd said yesterday that he thinks 2012 is going to be a fight between Sarah Palin republicans and Bobby Jindal republicans...and I thought "great, both darlings of the religious right", correct? I was actually hoping that McCain would pick someone pro-choice, just to piss off the religious right.

[theoldman]

18. Sara Palin will only be a bad memory in 2012.

Jindal will have a much better chance of being the Republican candidate. I cannot think of any Democrat that will be able to step in Obama's shoes.

[SidneyCarton]

35. Two problems for Bobby Jindal:

1. He's a Catholic.

2. He's not white.

The fundies will nominate Mitt Romney first.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

54. Bingo

The fundies will never vote for a brown Catholic. They all think that the Catholic Church is the "great whore" and hate brown people as a matter of principle.

[CreekDog]

58. they won't vote for a Mormon either

try again.

Huckleberry it is.

besides, he's nicer than the others...nice is generally a strength at the presidential level in the USA. we may be assholes, but we don't like to be reminded that we are. :crazy:

[CreekDog]

57. Nope. Romney's Mormon, high level fundies don't mind that

Evangelical/Born Again voters think Muslims don't worship the right god.

Evangelicals/Born Agains don't think that Mormons worship the wrong god, they think they worship the devil.

Romney is not going to fly.

Get Obama to say "Jesus" a couple times and that will attract more evangelicals than Romney does when he says it (Jesus doesn't mean the same thing in LDS v. Evangelical Christian belief).

[Renew Deal]

13. This reminds me of the 1999 and 2001 elections in Nassau County, NY

This election actually reminds me of a local election from 1999 and 2001 in Nassau County. There was republican control forever. The county was on the verge of bankruptcy. Infrastructure was failing. LI was a little antiquated. Voters were desperate for change. Then in 1999, Democrats won an unexpected majority of the legislature. In 2001, we elected Tom Suozzi as county executive. He was the first Democratic county exec in like 30 years. Suozzi and the legislature have been reelected every time since, because people around here don't want to go back to the horror show that is the republicans (corruption, cronyism, bad government, chaos, decay).

It looks like we're headed the same way nationally. Hopefully we can get to the 60 Senators so we can get some real change in this country.

[theoldman]

17. It's hard to tell who did the most damage to the GOP.

It's either Carl Rove by getting a dumb ass like Bush elected or Dick Chaney for steering him in the wrong direction. Bush has just been a marionette whose strings were pulled by almost everyone around him.

[LeftinOH]

19. And the collapse of the Rs has nothing to do with how "organized" WE are (because we aren't)

..rather, its the fault of their own policies, their own shrill RW media mouthpieces, and the party's parasitic core of religious fanatics & bigots.

[tekisui]

21. I think it is that and the organization of the DNC since Dean took over.

[Johonny]

20. well the supreme court.

The terrible Bush judges will be hurting American the rest of much of current Americans lives. It's the pain that will keep on giving.

[struggle4progress]

23. We need less county chickies & more hatchem

[Rambis]

24. Bill Clinton moved us to far center:Bush moved pugs to far right

I hope the conservative movement cannot regroup with the fundie whackos and they split into a third and forth fringe party.

[olegramps]

25. The Republicans allowed their party to be hijacked:

Firstly the PNAC neo-cons hijacked the party and they did so by appealing to the radical Christian elements of our society. The moderates have deserted the party and it is left with the dregs of society as their base. It is has been transformed into nothing more than a dysfunctional abomination of racists, nitwit religious charlatans, Palin end dayers, out right Fascists and the ultra-wealthy whose greed can not be satiated it . It is something that is so despicable that no decent human being would be associated with it. Good riddance.

[WinkyDink]

61. Wrong. These ARE the Republicans. No "hijacking" argument allowed.

[NJCher]

26. interesting if this is true (psychic prediction)

Way back in the mid- to late-seventies I was given a few predictions. One was to buy stock in a technology company that started with "M." That turned out to be Microsoft. I did buy some but not nearly enough.

The other prediction was about a right-wing takeover of the country. I couldn't believe it. I didn't believe it! But it happened. The prediction said it would not last that long because the wingnutz would blow it.

Nevertheless, to me, the past 8 years have been way too long.



Cher

[skooooo]

33. Any other predictions you remember??? nt

[NJCher]

44. yeah, there were some others

If I recall them, I'll post them back here and pm ya'.




Cher

[CreekDog]

59. Charo would cease to be a household name once "Love Boat" ended

:applause:

[olegramps]

28. Sarah Palin is going to get her Armageddon after all.

She is going to see the End Times of the party that she helped to destroy. Just wait until the election is over and watch this pack of rabid hyenas turn on each other. It won't be a pretty sight and I sincerely hope that every Democratic Senator shuns McCain for wallowing in the gutter with these bastards.

[Grateful for Hope]

63. Also

"and I sincerely hope that every Democratic Senator shuns McCain for wallowing in the gutter with these bastards"

Would like to add Lieberman. He deserves to be booted out of the senate.

[Bobbie Jo]

29. Works for me!

:thumbsup:

[azmouse]

30. Yessss! Dance the night away!

[msallied]

31. They only have themselves to blame.

If I was the member of a political party that had fucked things up so royally, I wouldn't be a member anymore.

[Phoonzang]

34. I wonder if Carville's still wearing those sneakers....

You know...the Pumas. Does he think we made a good decision now?

[workinclasszero]

36. “There’s basically going to be nothing left standing,”

Ahhh! Thats music to my ears!

Bush, Darth Chaney, McCain, Palin, Limpballs, Oreally, Handjob and their ilk have done what no democrat could do! They KILLED the republican party!! :D

Happy days are here again! The United States of America still lives!!:patriot::toast:

[Norrin Radd]

41. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Hopefully they'll never have the numbers,

forever split between the Libertarians and the Constitution Party. Then there will be room for a new left, progressive party.

[Orsino]

42. Nothing but a huge mountain of money, bigotry, media control and religious fanaticism.

Same as before.

They'll change some of the names, and proceed as usual.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

55. I disagree

The break between the money Repukes and the fundy/neocon Repukes cannot be papered over any longer. This is ultimately a profound disagreement between hard-core nut cutter greed heads and messianic, retarded, inbred assholes. The money will go with stability, not with religious warfare. Which means the Libertarians. The neo/theocons will form a nationalistic, openly fascist party that will sink like a stone. The most progressive elements of the Dems (i.e., the Kucinich bloc) may form it's own party or work with Greens.

[Orsino]

72. I can't see any such break happening.

The GOP give up its gay-hatin', bomb-lovin' Jaysus, and their only reliable voters? Not in this century.

[Top Cat]

46. I hope Carville is right

[sampsonblk]

47. *Worth repeating* Bush legacy: the destruction of the Republican Party

What we are seeing is the collapse of the cancer that has afflicted American politics for decades.

They have already begun to argue amongst themselves about who is to blame for their party's demise.

In the end, like the Soviet Union, their core beliefs were their worst enemy. Those beliefs were not sustainable in the face of rapid moving events that exposed them as lies.

The more their candidates repeat those pathetic bleifs, the more they seal their own fate. Every time, for example, John McCain brags that the surge worked, more people turn to Obama. Every time he says the way to help the economy is to cut taxes on corporations, people flock to Obama. They can't win except to become like us.

No chance.

[Posteritatis]

48. I kinda wanna see in the US what happened in Canada in 1993

Best. Election. Ever. for people who hate conservatives. Bwahah.

[CANDO]

49. I'm a little fearful of my RW brother's reaction to this.

He is truly a full spectrum conservative. Economically, religiously, national security, Rush-bot, etc. He's a "circle the wagons" conservative, all the world is out to get him.

[krkaufman]

51. What they don't mention is that there will likely be a major conflict in the Republican Party ...

... between now and the next election, as the religious Right, feeling so close to The Rapture with the nomination of Sarah Palin, will fight tooth-and-nail against any resurgence of the paleo-Conservatives. I see the Republican Party fracturing even further before November 2012.

(fingers crossed)

[olegramps]

64. I hope that it more than a fracture.

The Republican's campaign reminds me of Louis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass." Their strategy is like Alice's Chess Board in which the players are running amok. First here and then there and back again. Sarah Palin's speeches are little more than nonsensical Jabberwocky. Does it get any more surreal when the person running for the Vice President of the United States of America welcomes the support a party that advocates that her state secede from the union? I would suppose that according to their to upside down thinking of how everything is a reversal as in Carroll's world, Obama should seek the endorsement of the KKK. Carroll would find a wealth of material for Alice to ponder if he had to suffer through this nonsense. I have to be thankful that the Republican party is as hopeless as the case for poor Humpty Dumpty.

[Generic Brad]

66. They strike me more as Old Mother Hubbard

They have so many children and they don't know what to do.

[WinkyDink]

60. Wishful thinking. Republicans just hunker down and re-emerge 20 years later.

[atmeratus_x]

68. hunker down and re-emerge...

Don't get too excited about the demise of the GOP. They've been doing the same thing to this country since the 1870's, from Grant, Hayes, McKinley, Harding, Hoover, to Nixon, Reagan, Bush. They'll be back. Hopefully what they've done this time will serve as a grim reminder to those who come after us.

[Fluffdaddy]

70. WinkyDink and atmeratus. Thanks for keeping your heads

Many here think the game is won...................2 weeks out

[radfringe]

67. :D

there will be time for gloatin' when you're done votin'

[Fluffdaddy]

69. Oh so Carville is a good guy around here again?

Just a few months ago Carville name was slim up in here :evilgrin: