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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:58 PM
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Obama's North Carolina diner moment: This has to be said
I just watched the exchange on MSNBC and read the story posted on Politico.

It's worth noting the woman yelling "socialist" works for Wal-Mart. There are few areas of the country that have been spared the scourge that is Wal-Mart so I can assume most people know what I'm talking about.

This is a company that uses a 39 hour work week to deny full time benefits to the overwhelming majority of their employees....

This is a company that steals from its employees...

They are unethical across a broad spectrum of issues.

And yet if you go into any Wal-Mart, particularly in red states, you will find the majority of these employees who struggle to pay their rent and bills, are enthusiastic Repukes.

If you read the story on Politico it says the woman who screamed "socialist" muttered under her breath that Sunday "was her only day off".

Isn't that rich. She's a glorified slave, yet her biggest worry is that Obama "is a socialist".

Some people are TOO STUPID to help themselves.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:00 PM
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1. This is what her 75 IQ produced for her....Walmart job and Hate....enough said.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:49 PM
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18. And Obama wants to make life easier for people like her.
No good deed goes unpunished.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:24 PM
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36. somehow, the best of us find compassion for these fellow human beings. Their reptilian brain
dominates. Let's try to appeal to their higher self.

Somehow.

Humor?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:01 PM
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2. Well,
Have you ever noticed that the only "news" channel that comes through clearly to those who can't afford cable is FOX?
Something to chew on...
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:04 PM
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3. Did you also hear after she was booing and yelling, "Socialist!"
someone else yelled at her, "SHUT UP!"
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:05 PM
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4. Yep, and it was wonderful
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:07 PM
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5. Wal mart gets massive tax incentives from the government and helps their employee's
in California apply for state health care that we the people pay for so Wal Mart doesn't have to pay for it.

Wal mart sucks off the government teat.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:49 PM
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20. So she works for a socialist company? lol
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:07 PM
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6. Wal-Mart is everything they paint to socialism to be, except it's privately owned.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:09 PM
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7. I expect she'll refuse social security and Medicare whe she retires.
:sarcasm:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:09 PM
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8. And does someone believe she didn't know Obama was going to be there?
She's probably one of the managers hoping to climb the corporate ladder in Wal-Mart and marched her ass over to the diner to please her bosses so they'll give her a promotion.

Please, no one who hates That One is going to go see him in person just to make an ass out herself. Not gonna happen. She was told to do that.

People like that are just helping us out, by reminding us of the types who cling to McCain and Palin. Every time they open their mouths they stick a foot in it.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:42 PM
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9. Yep, there are lots of ignorant fools in this country. The anti-socialism brainwashing has worked.
And you can thank the media for pushing it. :puke:
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Every Man A King Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:44 PM
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10. Sams club not Walmart nt
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:48 PM
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15. They are the same
Wal-Mart owns Sams Club.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:48 PM
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16. Sam's Club is a subsidiary of WalMart
eom
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:15 PM
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32. Sam's Club is named for Sam Walton. (now deceased)
Walmart is named for Sam Walton (same as above).
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:45 PM
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11. Whatever. She seemed to be an isolated case. Some of the other folks
in that diner told her to STFU, even though they had already planned to vote Grampykins in November.
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DrPresident Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:46 PM
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12. Wait, what happened in NOrth Carolina?
Obama had a run in with someone?
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:52 PM
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22. Here's a link
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:47 PM
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13. Spreading wealth is "socialist?"
So what's concentrating wealth among 2% of the population?

Is giving to the poor socialist, too? Was Jesus socialist? Could be. :shrug:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:48 PM
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14. 39 hour work week?
anything 36 hours or more could be considered full-time.
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:48 PM
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17. Not according to Wal-Mart
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:19 PM
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39. um...yeah, according to walmart
as I recall, anything over 36 hours can be considered fulltime.

I worked there for 2 years. I used to work 40+ hours as a part timer and I knew people who worked 34, 35 hours and were fulltime.
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:49 PM
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19. Many of the WalMart employees are Democrat.
They are about evenly split.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:56 PM
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25. Walmart forces store managers
Wal-Mart forces store managers and department heads to attend anti-Obama meetings

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is mobilizing its store managers and department supervisors around the country to warn that if Democrats win power in November, they’ll likely change federal law to make it easier for workers to unionize companies — including Wal-Mart.

In recent weeks, thousands of Wal-Mart store managers and department heads have been summoned to mandatory meetings at which the retailer stresses the downside for workers if stores were to be unionized.

According to about a dozen Wal-Mart employees who attended such meetings in seven states, Wal-Mart executives claim that employees at unionized stores would have to pay hefty union dues while getting nothing in return, and may have to go on strike without compensation. Also, unionization could mean fewer jobs as labor costs rise.

The actions by Wal-Mart — the nation’s largest private employer — reflect a growing concern among big business that a reinvigorated labor movement could reverse years of declining union membership. That could lead to higher payroll and health costs for companies already being hurt by rising fuel and commodities costs and the tough economic climate.

The Wal-Mart human-resources managers who run the meetings don’t specifically tell attendees how to vote in November’s election, but make it clear that voting for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama would be tantamount to inviting unions in, according to Wal-Mart employees who attended gatherings in Maryland, Missouri and other states.

“The meeting leader said, ‘I am not telling you how to vote, but if the Democrats win, this bill will pass and you won’t have a vote on whether you want a union,’” said a Wal-Mart customer-service supervisor from Missouri. “I am not a stupid person. They were telling me how to vote,” she said.

“If anyone representing Wal-Mart gave the impression we were telling associates how to vote, they were wrong and acting without approval,” said David Tovar, Wal-Mart spokesman. Mr. Tovar acknowledged that the meetings were taking place for store managers and supervisors nationwide.

Wal-Mart’s worries center on a piece of legislation known as the Employee Free Choice Act, which companies say would enable unions to quickly add millions of new members. “We believe EFCA is a bad bill and we have been on record as opposing it for some time,” Mr. Tovar said. “We feel educating our associates about the bill is the right thing to do.”

Other companies and groups are also making a case against the legislation to workers. Laundry company Cintas Corp., which has been fighting a multiyear organizing campaign by Unite Here, relaunched a Web site July 14 called CintasVotes. The site instructs visitors to take action by telling members of Congress to oppose the legislation.

“We feel it’s important that our employee partners fully understand the implications that the Employee Free Choice Act could have on their work environment and benefits,” said Heather Trainer, a Cintas spokeswoman.

Business-backed organizations are also running ads aimed at building opposition to the bill, including the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace, which counts several hundred industry associations as members. Another group, the Employee Freedom Action Committee, is run by former tobacco lobbyist Rick Berman. The groups, which aren’t affiliated with each other, say they have a total of $50 million in funding. Neither will disclose which companies or individuals have provided funding.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has made defeat of the legislation a top priority. In the past six months, it has flown state and local Chamber members to Washington to lobby members of Congress. On Thursday, the Chamber began airing a television ad in Minnesota and plans to run ads in other states as part of a broader campaign.

The bill was crafted by labor as a response to more aggressive opposition by companies to union-organizing activity. The AFL-CIO and individual unions such as the United Food and Commercial Workers have promised to make passage of the new labor law their No. 1 mission after the November election.

First introduced in 2003, the bill came to a vote last year and sailed through the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives, but was blocked by a filibuster in the Senate and faced a veto threat by the White House. The bill was taken off the floor, and its backers pledged to reintroduce it when they could get more support.

The November election could bring that extra support in Congress, as well as the White House if Sen. Obama is elected and Democrats extend their control in the Senate. Sen. Obama co-sponsored the legislation, which also is known as “card check,” and has said several times he would sign it into law if elected president. Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, opposes the Employee Free Choice Act and voted against it last year.

Wal-Mart’s labor-relations meetings are led by human-resources managers who received training from Wal-Mart on the implications of the Employee Free Choice Act.


Fine Legal Line

Wal-Mart may be walking a fine legal line by holding meetings with its store department heads that link politics with a strong antiunion message. Federal election rules permit companies to advocate for specific political candidates to its executives, stockholders and salaried managers, but not to hourly employees. While store managers are on salary, department supervisors are hourly workers.

However, employers have fairly broad leeway to disseminate information about candidates’ voting records and positions on issues, according to Jan Baran, a Washington attorney and expert on election law.

Both supporters and opponents of the Employee Free Choice Act believe it would simplify and speed labor’s ability to unionize companies. Currently, companies can demand a secret-ballot election to determine union representation. Those elections often are preceded by months of strident employer and union campaigns.

Under the proposed legislation, companies could no longer have the right to insist on one secret ballot. Instead, the Free Choice, or “card check,” legislation would let unions form if more than 50% of workers simply sign a card saying they want to join. It is far easier for unions to get workers to sign cards because the organizers can approach workers repeatedly, over a period of weeks or months, until the union garners enough support.

Employers argue that the card system could lead to workers being pressured to sign by pro-union colleagues and organizers. Unions counter that it shields workers from pressure from their employers.

On June 30 the National Labor Relations Board ruled that Wal-Mart illegally fired an employee in Kingman, Ariz., who supported the UFCW and illegally threatened to freeze merit-pay increases if employees voted for union representation. The decision came eight years after the organizing campaign failed, and four years after the case was originally heard.

“We’ve always maintained the termination was not related to the union and that there was nothing unlawful about an answer provided an associate about merit pay,” said Mr. Tovar, the Wal-Mart spokesman. “Following the decision, we were considering offering reinstatement, but that is on hold, since the appealed the decision.”

Unions consider the Employee Free Choice Act as vital to the survival of the labor movement, which currently represents 7.5% of private-sector workers, half the percentage it did 25 years ago. The Service Employees International Union said the legislation would enable it to organize a million workers a year, up from its current pace of 100,000 workers a year.

The Underdogs

The business-backed lobbying groups are running ads in states where a win by a Democratic Senate candidate would boost support for the legislation in the Senate, saying the loss of secret ballots exposes workers to bullying labor bosses. In one, they use an actor from the “Sopranos” TV series about mob life to hammer home their point.

Business groups say they’re the underdogs since they will be outspent by unions by a wide margin. Labor has pledged to spend $300 million on the election and securing passage of the Employee Free Choice Act, compared with under $100 million by business groups, according to Steven Law, chief legal officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. The Chamber’s strategy is to focus on the Senate, where labor needs eight more supporters of the legislation to reach the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.

“This is a David-and-Goliath confrontation, but we believe we’ll have enough stones in the sling to knock this out,” said Mr. Law.

Wal-Mart is a powerful ally. Through almost all of its 48-year history, Wal-Mart has fought hard to keep unions out of its stores, flying in labor-relations rapid-response teams from its Bentonville, Ark., headquarters to any location where union activity was building. The United Food and Commercial Workers was successful in organizing only one group of Wal-Mart workers — a small number of butchers in East Texas in early 2000. Several weeks later, the company phased out butchers in all of its stores and began stocking prepackaged meat. When a store in Canada voted to unionize several years ago, the company closed the store, saying it had been unprofitable for years.

Labor has fought back with a campaign to portray Wal-Mart as treating its workers poorly. The UFCW helped employees file a series of complaints about the company’s overtime, health-care and other policies with the National Labor Relations Board. Dozens of class-action lawsuits were filed on behalf of workers, many of which are still winding their way through the courts.

Wal-Mart has been trying to burnish its reputation by improving its worker benefits and touting its commitment to the environment. On the political front, it’s hedging its bets, spreading its financial contributions on both sides of the political divide.

Twelve years ago, 98% of Wal-Mart’s political donations went to Republicans. Now, as the Democrats seem poised to gain control in Washington, 48% of its $2.2 million in political contributions go to Democrats and 52% to Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan organization that tracks political giving.

WSJ | ANN ZIMMERMAN and KRIS MAHER | Friday, August 1, 2008

http://www.nwotruth.com/wal-mart-forces-store-managers-and-department-heads-to-attend-anti-obama-meetings/


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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:05 PM
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30. I know they are the worst corporation.
My mother will be the first person to tell you that. She worked there for 20 years, and in the store before it was a Walmart. She knows all sorts of shit they did that people didn't know about. But many of the employees are don't believe in the way the company is run and work there because they need the job.
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progressiveforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:50 PM
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21. It is impossible to help people who don't want help.
And as the original post says, "Some people are TOO STUPID to help themselves."
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:54 PM
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23. The right bitches about Acorn - they ignore the Walmart hate
Friday :: Aug 1, 2008
Wal-Mart Spreading Anti-Obama Sentiment

by Jeff Dinelli

Wal-Mart has defined the Enemy, and its name is Barack Obama.

All across the country, the retail giant's individual stores have been calling in managers and supervisors to mandatory meetings and instructing them to spread the word: If Dems take November, you're all screwed. Your workers will be unionized, and you know what that means. You'll be forced to join a union, pay dues that lead to nothing, and....Oh The HORROR....we will have to start paying you more and giving you good health insurance!

Wal-Mart officials are shocked by this Wall Street Journal article today. They would never tell their employees how to vote!
"The meeting leader said, 'I am not telling you how to vote, but if the Democrats win, this bill will pass and you won't have a vote on whether you want a union,'" said a Wal-Mart customer-service supervisor from Missouri. "I am not a stupid person. They were telling me how to vote," she said.

I'm no lawyer, though I may need one, if anyone has a good recommendation in the Chicagoland area, but this seems illegal. Supervisors are hourly employees, not stock market holders. In essence, Wal-Mart's freaking out at the potential Employee Free Choice Act. The WSJ explains:
The bill was crafted by labor as a response to more aggressive opposition by companies to union-organizing activity. The AFL-CIO and individual unions such as the United Food and Commercial Workers have promised to make passage of the new labor law their No. 1 mission after the November election.

First introduced in 2003, the bill came to a vote last year and sailed through the Democratic-controlled House of Representatives, but was blocked by a filibuster in the Senate and faced a veto threat by the White House. The bill was taken off the floor, and its backers pledged to reintroduce it when they could get more support.

The November election could bring that extra support in Congress, as well as the White House if Sen. Obama☼ is elected and Democrats extend their control in the Senate. Sen. Obama co-sponsored the legislation, which also is known as “card check,” and has said several times he would sign it into law if elected president. Sen. John McCain,☼ the likely Republican presidential nominee, opposes the Employee Free Choice Act and voted against it last year.


If you can somehow manage to boycott these stores (but the groceries are so cheap!!) you'll be able to cash in on some Good Karma someday. I mean, just how evil can this organization get??

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012938.php


More here http://www.nwotruth.com/wal-mart-forces-store-managers-and-department-heads-to-attend-anti-obama-meetings/


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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:56 PM
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24. Its amazing that some people really are that dumb.
They vote for someone who could care less about them and who goes against their personal interests, its a shame. I'd be amazed if that lady even knew what a socialist is.
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DrPresident Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:57 PM
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26. The link says she works for Sams Club, not Walmart
unless they're under the same corp or something?
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:58 PM
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28. Walmart owns Sam's Club nt
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GrizzlyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:59 PM
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29. They. Are. The. Same.
No offense, but I'm shocked people don't know this. Wal-Mart owns Sams Club. Their policies for employees are exactly the same.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:08 PM
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31. I thought everybody knew that.
Huh. Ever notice how they're always right next to each other?

Costco treats their employees fairly and the owner donates to democrats.
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DrPresident Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:25 PM
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38. Ah, I see.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:58 PM
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27. Some people have to be saved from their own stupidity. And Obama's the man to do it. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:17 PM
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33. The Republican powers are unrivaled in the depth of their cynical manipulation of these people.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:18 PM
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34. Just saw it....outrageous....
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:20 PM
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35. I'm beginning to think we should have let the South just fucking go in 1860.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 04:24 PM
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37. "Some people are TOO STUPID to help themselves."
That's the sad truth. :(
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