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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:52 PM
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New Research 2000 Polls of Minnesota Senate and Presidential races--good news!
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 02:54 PM by book_worm
Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 10/15-16. Likely voters. MoE 4.5% (No trendlines)

Coleman (R) 39
Franken (D) 41
Barkley (I) 18



Razor thin, and don't count out Barkely. Third party candidates have a habit of sneaking in when the top two candidates nuke each other, like Franken and Coleman are currently doing. I don't think anyone really knows what to think about this race. It's a serious clusterfuck.

On the other hand, the presidential is over:

McCain (R) 39
Obama (D) 52

Ok, Obama help carry Franken to victory!

www.dailykos.com
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:52 PM
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1. Don't you mean Franken to victory? nt
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:54 PM
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3. yep, sorry about that.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:55 PM
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4. Who is this independent candidate and why is he doing so well?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 05:24 PM
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8. He's the guy Jesse Ventura appointed to fill Paul Wellstone's seat, after Wellstone
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 05:52 PM by Peace Patriot
got small airplaned. He had a short stint in the Senate and helped pass the Fatherland...er...Homeland Security Act, which Paul Wellstone would never have supported. Wellstone was very onto the Bushwhacks and their terrorist destruction of the Constitution. Barkely wants to cut the deficit and "reform" Social Security, but this article doesn't say how. (Could be he wants to stop the goddamn government from borrowing against it--which I would be for--but I don't know. More research needed.)

Then the new e-voting machines got to work with their 'TRADE SECRET' programming code and put that truly vomitous Bushite worm Norm Coleman in the Senate.

http://www.minnesotamonitor.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=38

http://votingindustry.com/VR_Review/2nd%20Tier/Accenture/accenture.htm

I have no idea from a quick google search why Minnesotans would support Barkley. I've never believed, and I don't believe now, that Minnesota is anything less than the great progressive state that produced Hubert Humphrey (a great liberal except for his fatal ties to LBJ and the Vietnam War), and Paul Wellstone, the greatest Minnesota senator of them all, and maybe of all time. Wellstone would have done everything in his power to stop the Iraq War. He was adamant about it. He would have exposed all of their bullshit lies. He was also investigating the corrupt Bushwhack "war on drugs" in Colombia, and all the murders of labor union leaders there. Minnesotans voted for him back before 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting. I think 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting has made a very blue state seem red. Maybe this has demoralized people. Maybe they don't like it that Al Franken forbade all talk of election fraud on his radio show, and toed the Terry McAuliffe line on that. I really don't know. I'm from these midwestern type folks, and that's my beef with Franken. He didn't fight the voting machines, and they're still in place. Midwesterners are plain spoken, very progressive and great believers in fairness. It's hard to believe that they would tolerate a Bushwhack toady like Coleman. I will never believe that he was really elected. I can see them voting for Barkley if they're pissed off about something, but I don't know what it is. Could be the war. What has Franken said about it? I recall from his show that he was more in the collusive Democratic camp on the war. Maybe that's it.

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Okay, I've found Barkley's web page on the issues--and guess what? I agree with him on almost everything! Here it is. Check it out:

http://www.senatorbarkley.com/issues.htm

Very strong in opposition to the Iraq War, AND the "war on drugs." Wants to decriminalize. A bit murky on Soc Security, but does not propose privatization. Mentions things like means testing. Good on providing a publicly financed avenue to public office. On the medical care crisis--the only time he sounds like a Freeper--says some Dems proposals are "socialized medicine," but then he proposes opening up Medicare to all. For guns, but this is Minnesota we're talking about (farming and hunting culture). For equal rights for gays (very Minnesota progressive of him!). On immigration, wants the Bracero program back--maybe okay (Reagan gave it a bad name). Wants visiting labor to be legal. Would go after businesses. He supports developing all sorts of alternative energy, and does not mention more drilling.

He seems to be running more against Coleman than against Franken. Anti-Washington DC corruption stance. He could be more liberal than Franken, on the issues. I'd have to check.

I can only think that Minnesotans are pissed off at Democratic Party collusion on the war and on other issues. And I can see them supporting Barkley because of that--if they perceive Franken as too "establishment Dem"--if they perceive Franken as not a Wellstone Democrat--but a Terry McAuliffe/ Clinton Democrat.

I wonder if farm subsidies are an issue. U.S. farm subsidies are a major obstacle to "free trade" deals with countries like Brazil. Interestingly, Barkley mentions Brazil's sugar cane fuel--why aren't we energy independent like Brazil?--he asks. I happen to know that Brazil wants to import their cane fuel here, to supplant corn fuel. (Cane fuel has less impact on food prices.) That could be an issue, though Barkley doesn't mention it at all. I would think they all support farm subsidies, but if Barkley doesn't and Franken does, that could be where some Franken support is coming from.

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One more thought: Barkley lambasts the Iraq War, but, like Obama, wants to move the Forever War to Afghanistan. This seems to be code for: "I am not a threat to the 'military-industrial complex." That's how I take it, when Obama says it, when Kerry says it, when any of them says it--and that's how I'm taking it from Barkley. I don't know if Al Franken has said the same thing--probably he has. It's the SAFE Democratic position. No matter that it is as nuts as the Iraq War was/is. Talk to Alexander the Great. And it completely ignores the NORAD/AF failure to defend our nation's capitol on 9/11--with Donald Rumsfeld having grabbed power over all NORAD decisions three months before (June 01). The whole "war on terror" is premised on a falsehood--just like the war on Iraq. And it is simply, and strictly, and only a war profiteer adventure. We are a war profiteer society. And the war profiteers have convinced--or bullied and bludgeoned--almost all of our political leaders into believing that, if we pull that pin out of the economy--'Defense' spending (now aggressive war spending)--it will collapse. That is, of course, not true. But that's the myth that supports these humongous military budgets.

So, line 'em up: Franken, Coleman, Barkley. There is no difference between them on this issue. Barkley says he wants to cut the deficit, but he doesn't say where--but, given his desire to keep the Forever War going, it's a good guess that, like the 'Blue Dog' Democrats, he wants to cut everything but the war budget. It is a Barkley weakness--a sign of not being so very "independent." If Franken were to come out for a cut in Pentagon spending, and maybe add to that, cutting off the $6 BILLION we are paying out in military aid to the fascist murderers running Colombia--an issue pioneered by Paul Wellstone--maybe he could cut into Barkley's support.

Oops! I've made the mistake that I've criticized others for--presuming that these are normal political times, and that the views of we, the people, on the issues matter. Minnesota's votes are now being 'counted' by one of the most rightwing corporations on earth, ES&S, with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls. Good luck with that, Minnesota! Good luck to us all! The Corpos and the war profiteers seem to have decided to let Obama win. But their strategy may be to shave his mandate significantly, and give him a difficult Congress. That's means the (s)election of lowlifes like Coleman.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:55 PM
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5. LOL! Details. Details.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:53 PM
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2. You mean Franken at the end of your post, right?
This is great news! Thanks for posting this. :-)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 02:57 PM
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6. Frankenberry!!!
Man, this one's going down to the wire!
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 03:00 PM
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7. More good news for Tinklenberg also.
Rep. Michele Bachmann’s comments that she believes Barack Obama “may have anti-American views” and that the media should investigate whether members of Congress are “pro-America or anti-America” has done more than fill the coffers of her Democratic challenger, El Tinklenberg: it’s prompted a challenge for her 6th Congressional seat from within the GOP.

The St. Cloud Times reports that Aubrey Immelman, Ph.D., a professor of political psychology at St. John’s University and the College of St. Benedict, registered yesterday as a write-in candidate. On his campaign site, Immelman references Bachmann’s words to Chris Matthews:

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see link for more
http://minnesotaindependent.com/
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