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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:11 PM
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Fact checking Dr. Sanjay Gupta's "fact check" of John McCain's $5,000 medical tax credit
Dr. Gupta just gave John McCain a free pass on his ridiculous health care tax credit plan on CNN.

Here is my response to him that I sent through CNN.com:

Dr. Gupta:

You do good work generally but I felt I must comment on your "fact check" of Sr. McCain's healthcare plans.

Your "fact check" of John McCain's $5,000 "tax credit" is terribly flawed in the following ways:

1) A $5,000 tax credit is ONLY fully useful to someone who pays at least $5,000 in taxes.

If you are married filing jointly and just take the standard deductions, i.e. your TAXABLE income has to be at least $38,680. Remember with standard deductions then your actual takehome pay would be substantially higher than that -

Single filers would need to make at least $34,625 in TAXABLE income to take full advantage.

Heads of households would need to make: 37,148 in TAXABLE income.

The point is that the people who need help the MOST and who have the LEAST access to healthcare right now are the working poor.

McCain's proposal benefits them the LEAST because they don't pay enough in taxes in the first place to take advantage of it.

This is ONE reason why his plan is fatally flawed.

Another reason is the problem with pre-existing conditions which prices healthcare out of the range of the poor or prevents them from obtaining it at all.

Another problem is that the rates being quoted in your piece are averaging single young people together with married couples with children. A family of four pays on average $1,000+ per month. This is far in excess of $5800 cited or a $5,000 tax credit.

McCain's tax credit is only useful to you if you are young, single, and well off - the people who need the help the least.

Single payer through the governnment is the ONLY system that makes sense either for citizens or for businesses because the current system traps employees into companies and prevents them from competing for jobs they are otherwise qualified for thus driving down their wages.

The existing system also hurts unemployed older workers who are trying to find a job - employers have an obvious financial disincentive to hire them if it drives up their healthcare costs.

Also our existing system puts a huge burden on businesses and shifts the burden from the uninsured to the insured when treatment has to be rendered at the most inefficient point: the emergency room.

There is a corporate health care provided perpetuated myth that our government is incapable of rendering quality health care for our people and that only the private sector can do so.

As someone who has worked extensively with military doctors in Iraq and travelled around the world to see how health care is provided elsewhere you clearly must know that this is false and you ought to do the American public the favor of debunking this myth.

I personally as a military dependent received excellent health care from birth in the United States Army Hospital in Heidelberg Germany until I was a college student and had my wisdom teeth removed - this included knee surgery, appendicitis, orthodontic braces, glasses, vaccinations, and a variety of illnesses.

Please dig a little deeper and consider what I've said.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:15 PM
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1. Gupta is one of those Doctors who is using the Con's BS to his kinds own financial benefit.
He attacked Micheal Moore on Sicko and lost horribly.

So sorry Dr. Gupta...I go to MBAs for financial information...like myself.

Spare us the Doctor knows everything and stick to medicine.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:18 PM
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3. That was when I tuned him out entirely.
His treatment of the sick people in SICKO was awful.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:17 PM
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2. I can't stand Sangay Gupta. He is a HORRIBLE Repub HACK
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:18 PM
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4. Gupta seemed proudly pro-corporate to me, too.
But you get extra points from those conservative stations like CNN when you oppose liberal conventional wisdom.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:22 PM
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5. I noted his television report.....
and thought to myself.....This $5,000 tax credit cannot be used to make Co-Pays, which is what the CNN Doctor said. The money from this credit doesn't go to the Taxpayer, it goes to the Insurance company directly.

That Doctor was really reporting non facts, which was disappointing.

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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:28 PM
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8. According to Mc Same's website, you can have any
leftover credit deposited to a Health Savings Account !! What a joke !!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:23 PM
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6. The bottom line is, it's $5,000 for a $12,000 policy under the best
of circumstances and the quality of the policy would probably not be adequate re pre-existing conditions. It's a continuation of the insurance company giveaway.
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:40 PM
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9. To get an idea of what you can buy with $200 per month
for single/$400 per month for family health insurance today check here

http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/individual-health-insurance.ds
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:26 PM
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7. Great debunking work !
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:31 PM
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15. Actually, not so great. It is a refundable credit. It would add to your refund
like the Earned Income Credit does.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:04 PM
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10. Mr. Gupta is now also an economist? No? Maybe he stayed in a motel 6. That CNN allows this drivel
is a disgrace.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:08 PM
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11. Gupta is a health industry lackey.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:33 PM
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16. this Gumpta moment in Political Propoganda is brought to you by: Big Pharma
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:39 PM
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17. Yes, Big Pharm and Big Health Care are the gravest threats to Americans.
Health care costs more than making a house note.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:24 PM
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12. Gupta is a rightwing hack...
and also a lying sos.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:42 PM
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18. I second that lying SOS. Did the same thing when Sicko came out
Just another RW gasbag.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:15 PM
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19. Yep, and he wasn't even embarrassed when he was busted about it.
He just shrugged as if it didn't matter at all. He's a real pos.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:27 PM
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13. Hmm, there was a suspicious Health Care article in the latest Consumer Reports too.
They did a comparison between McCain and Obama and seemed a little too positive about the McCain plan. I'll have to read it again more closely.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:29 PM
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14. It's a refundable credit, like the EIC. It would add to your refund, no matter what your tax
liability is.
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