Will you stop this Powell Endorsing Business .... Because Nobody Gives a SHIT

[TheCoxwain]

Least of Republicans..


Powell lost his credibility after he did not resign when he realized he was used like pawn in the Bush Administration. I will give him the benefit of doubt when it came to making the case in UN ( Shit happens!!!) .. but what happened afterwards ... A half a man with 1 ounce of self-respect would have resigned ..



I have no respect for Powell ... He did not speak up when he could have ... so why should I listen to him now ...

If he did the right thing ... Kerry would be president today .. and maybe a thousand American soldiers would not have died ...


So Colin Powell _ FUCK YOU and YOUR ENDORSEMENT

[Warren Stupidity]

1. It is our latest concern

Yesterday, Sam the NotPlumber was causing angina, today War Criminal Powell.

[Arctic Dave]

2. Powell is still a repug bootlicker.

He testified in court that ted stevens is an honest person. LOL

[Ikonoklast]

3. Not an issue.

I think the whole world knows Powell is a dishonorable man.

[Abacus]

4. I give a shit, but the endless speculative threads are a bit annoying

[monmouth]

5. I wouldn't hold our collective breath waiting for that endorsement....n/t

[olkaz]

6. I approve.

Why people are artifically pumping up a worthless endorsement that probably won't even happen is beyond me.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. I Hope Colin Powell Endorses Him. That's A Great Endorsement.

[qanda]

31. Not only that, but I just thought about this...

Maybe it will bump Palin being on SNL from the being the top story in the news cycle.

[elocs]

8. Don't be stupid. There are perhaps millions of undecided voters who do give a shit.

If you don't, so what? If he endorses Obama there is no way in hell that Obama would ever reject his endorsement. Obama is that smart, why don't we try and follow his example?

[Warren Stupidity]

10. And your evidence for this assertion?

Please convince me, based on facts, that millions of undecided voters will be influenced by what Powell does.

[elocs]

11. I think it is pretty intuitive to believe that there are millions of Americans

who still respect Powell. Please, have some common sense. Nobody here at DU should make the mistake of thinking that most Americans believe and think as we do. It is stupid to believe that nobody will be influenced by Powell's endorsement and you know as well as I do that Obama will never, never repudiate or reject his endorsement.

On edit, check out this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7493766 because it says it well.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. So you have no facts for your categorical assertion

that millions of undecided voters will be swayed by this momentous event. If you wish to make your argument here in a reasonable manner, might I suggest that as this is simply your intuitive opinion, you should refrain from categorical statements that imply factual evidence, such as "millions of undecided voters"?

My opinion is different. I don't think Powell's endorsement of McCain, the most likely scenario, will mean much in this election one way or another. A Powell endorsement of Obama, an unlikely outcome in my opinion, would provide some small benefit.

As far as I know there is no actual data, one way or another, concerning the benefits to either side of Mr. Powell's blessing. I personally despise the man, but then again I am not an undecided voter.

[immoderate]

28. OTH, can you justify your position.

Can you prove that a Powell endorsement will not yield a single vote for Obama? :shrug:

--IMM

[Warren Stupidity]

29. Wow: massive strawman alert.

Where I have I stated here that a Powell endorsement will not yield a single vote for or against Obama?

I responded to a categorical assertion that millions of undecided votes were at stake. There is no evidence that this assertion is true, or at least so far none has been presented. I have not made a similarly ridiculous statement that zero votes are at stake.

Instead my position is that whatever Powell does will not be of major consequence, and that the processional ritualistic hair pulling here over What Will Powell Do is silly. I stand by that opinion, for which I have no evidence at all, as reasonable given the lack of evidence for serious concern over Powell. You need to go argue with some other poster who might have made the claim you are demanding proof for.

[immoderate]

33. I plan to ignore it, but...

I don't see a down side to the Powell endorsement. I don't see how that can cost Obama any votes. So it might be thousands, or it might be millions, but I don't see a reason to get inflamed about it.

--IMM

[scheming daemons]

17. Here's your evidence

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/powell_far_more_likely_than_obama_to_beat_mccain

[Warren Stupidity]

22. That is evidence of something

which is a start, but it is hardly evidence that 'millions of undecided voters' will be swayed by which side the Powell coin lands on.

However, you are certainly entitled to your opinion that we are doomed, as it is is vastly unlikely, in my opinion, that Powell will endorse Obama. I think we will win this election and win by a considerable margin.

[azmouse]

16. Those undecideds don't care any more about a Powell endorsement

than they would any Hollywood celebrity endorsement. It's meaningless.

[H2O Man]

9. Respectfully disagree.

Powell has, of course, been fully discredited in many circles. I'll guess that you don't like him. However, it would be an error to assume that everyone thinks like you think.

Powell's endorsement is important to two groups. Though they are relatively small, they are still important. The first is the group that remains "undecided." Many of them have expressed reservations about Obama's ability to serve as Commander-in-Chief. Powell's endorsement will answer that for them.

The second group is moderate republicans, who are repulsed by McCain-Palin. Powell's endorsement gives them permission to vote for Obama.

[wowimthere]

21. I don't think that his endorsement is worth it given the error of invading a country

that didn't attack us. He is one of the architects of the greatest foreign policy disaster in history. If Obama spoke out against this war then why is getting undecided and disaffected republicans on his bandwagon through a guy who got it wrong so important? I don't think Obama has to say anything but that "he was right about not going into Iraq". Obama had the right judgment. Powell was wrong.

[H2O Man]

36. I do not

respect Colin Powell, nor do I welcome the thought of him having any influence on the Obama administration. Powell was worse than simply being way wrong on Iraq; he failed to tell the truth, and betrayed any trust people might have mistakenly assigned to him.

However, in terms of getting disaffected republicans and undecided voters to support Obama, it isn't as simple as saying, "I was right, and others were wrong." Obama has to allow enough room for other people who were wrong to change, and support the new administration's efforts to end that war. This includes dealing with Congress in 2009. It will be far easier to do so, with Colin Powell supporting that effort, because it allows other republicans to move beyond the McCain baloney about "we can't afford to lose."

[Solomon]

23. Sometimes DU is like a room full of spoiled children.

I agree with H20.

[cliffordu]

12. That's right. His endorsement means exactly dick in this election.

Who's he going to appeal to, Bush apologists??

[Mike Daniels]

14. Powell could easily send out a press release that he's doing a news conference in a couple of hours

and do the endorsement right then and there effectively ending all speculation.

The fact that he's delaying the "announcement" to pump up an appearance on MTP shows that this is more about Powell than anything else.

[scheming daemons]

15. You're not the target Demographic.... it doesn't MATTER if YOU listen to him

Powell is enormously popular among independents.


Obama *HAS* your vote.

[TheCoxwain]

20. I am not saying it does not matter in terms of elections .. I am sure it is

very convenient in that sense..


I am just laying out the moral reasons why we should not want it ...


I mean if all the mobsters in the world figure out a clean way to give money to the campaign - I am sure it will be helpful - But should you expect it?


I am not asking Obama to reject Powell's endorsement .. as that will be suicide ...But we as democrats shouldn't look to it .

[A-Schwarzenegger]

18. Powell gargles blood every time he moves his mouth,

but I'll take his endorsement because it will help Obama,
however minimally.

[wowimthere]

19. I agree... I don't care about any Bush blowhard endorsement

[janet118]

24. Powell is a whore . . .

I would not be at all surprised if he endorsed McNutter to bring back some moderate Repugs. If Powell does endorse Obama, he may bring in a few independents and moderate Repugs, but the spin will be that it's just a race thing. If he has to endorse anyone, I hope it's Obama, but I'd prefer he stayed under the rock he slipped under when he resigned from his embarrassing stint as Bush's butt boy.

[renie408]

25. And nobody gives a shit whether you listen or not. You are already voting for Obama. n/t

[Phoonzang]

26. No...he didn't lose his credibility...

Most voters aren't as viciously fanatical as people here. People who would slap away a big-name endorsment like that because of the UN performance.

[kath]

27. It's not being "viciously fanatical". It's called being INFORMED.

Which far, far too few Murkans are. They're ignorant, and damned proud of it.

[Warren Stupidity]

30. viciously fanatical ?

viciously fanatical about one of the top bush administration officials directly responsible for selling a fraudulent case for war to the american people and their representatives in congress, a war that has cost Iraq over 1 million dead, wrecked their country, cost our republic 4,000 of its soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars from its treasury? Yes I see your point. We are such assholes.

[Phoonzang]

32. I'm approaching this potential endorsement pragmatically.

Yes many people are ill-informed and many of them still admire Powell and beleive him to be a hero. Let's assume Powell's endorsement boosts Obama in the polls even more. Slapping away an endorsement that could push Obama even closer to victory is....call it what you will. Viciously fanatical...foolish...not seeing the big picture.

WINNING is the most important thing right now. No one says Obama has to embrace Powell and make him part of his cabinet. If he can use the endorsement to defeat McCain and start healing the wounds caused by Bush and Bush's cronies (like Powell), so be it.

[Forkboy]

35. I'm sure you've seen the pictures of what that "UN performance" helped usher in.

How many dead and displaced? How many tortured, or held without trial or representation? How many wounded and maimed for life? How many suicides of returning military personnel? How many trillions of dollars wasted?

Yeah, what a bunch of fanatics we are to slap away his endorsement.

[Phx_Dem]

34. I give a shit.

[johnlucas]

37. I have never trusted Powell

He's nothing more than a good soldier boy. He just follows orders and falls in line with his superiors. That's how I have always seen him.

In fact I hope Powell DOES endorse McCain since it only underlines how McCain is the 3rd term of Bush making McCain 'McBush' once again. A Powell endorsement for Obama is of little value and I don't care how his favorability ratings stand. All things favorable ain't all things 'savorable'. Powell's words at this point in time (as well as rep) are "dog droppings" to put it euphemistically. He know what he was doing back in 2003. He's just following orders from high command and all this later regret talk is him trying to save face and deal with his guilt.

I am in total agreement with TheCoxwain, the thread starter.
John Lucas