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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:18 AM
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Embrace the Colin Powell endorsement. Look at the full truth.
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 10:47 AM by Essene
Powell is expected to endorse Obama this sunday on Meet the Press.

http://political-zazen.blogspot.com

Read that before replying, please...



Also see this related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdTwSqoBGuU
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We now remember him for that shameful UN presentation given in 2003 which effectively put his face on the marketing of the Iraq invasion. We must not forget that day, but we also need to respect the full truth.

1. Powell tried to avoid the invasion of Iraq. He was Secretary of State and yet nearly powerless in the Bush admin by all accounts. Nonetheless, Powell was the one who demanded that Bush to go to the UN and to work on the terms of UN Resolutions. He had Bush's personal assurance that we'd work with Saddam to establish a diplomatic solution, even if that didn't mean regime change. This means that Powell supported the THREAT of violence regarding compliance with UN Resolutions, but not the invasion itself. His Feb 2003 presentation must be understood in that light.

2. Powell fought hard to remove all unsubstantiated claims being pushed by the White House. It apparently got really nasty the night before the UN presentation, with Powell utterly disgusted and refusing to add the nuclear claims. What finally went into the presentation was stuff that George Tenet (head of CIA appointed by Clinton) told Powell was 100% backed by the evidence and from the NIE. Even then, Powell expressed reservations and Tenet basically said something like "I'll be right there behind you."

3. Powell was himself buried and shunned by the Bush administration after that day. Could he have resigned and made a stink about it all? Sure. We were at war and he apparently decided to stay quiet for the time being. He remained mostly silent and invisible until he quietly left the administration... without stirring things up. However, he did fight against the Neocons behind the scenes.

4. Powell publicly spoke out about how there were "burn notices" on many if not all of the claims in the NIE which went into the UN presentation. He is talking about official CIA analysis that trashed the claims, providing counter-evidence or simply questioning the validity. These "burn notices" were buried by people in the CIA and the White House. They never got to Powell or even Tenet's desks. It appears that some very evil people were effectively manipulating Powell and Tenet to sign off on what had been documented as bogus assertions. Rice, Feith and Cheney have a lot of questions to answer.

5. Powell went public about this years ago on MTP, saying he was infuriated and wanted to see a serious Congressional investigation into this. What has Congress done? NOTHING. Show me where Pelosi has started this much needed investigation. Tenet, Powell, Rice, Feith, Cheney... all need to be dragged before Congress under oath for the beginning of a real investigation into this non-sense. Not superficial stuff that's been done, but a serious call for a special investigator with top security clearance or whatever is needed.

6. Powell also said the Iraqi invasion was wrong and would have been impossible if the truth about the intel came out. He clearly indicates that CONGRESS was also lied to, which he knows has federal crime implications. What Congress was told in Fall of 2002 in secret meetings about the iraqi intel was full of discredited information. This is why Congressmen and folks like Powell were all on the record saying absurdly untrue stuff. They mistakenly trusted the people giving them the intel.

7. Powell said Obama's approach was right on diplomacy, in talking to "the enemy." He pointed out how he himself talked with Syria... and how we've actually had Iranian diplomacy going on all along. If you really are interested in the Iranian diplomacy, read this article which documents how the Bush admin turned its back on Iran when they offered to support our war on terrorism, to stop the nuclear program, to recognize Israel and to cut all ties with hezbollah.

8. Powell also basically said Obama's lack of executive experience wasn't a big deal, given Obama's judgment, his ability to bring in smart people and his capacity to tackle problems. That's a fairly amazing statement from somebody with Powell's background in considering whether Obama is Commander-in-Chief material.

9. Colin Powell remains one of the most respected military men and also one of the most beloved African-Americans in the nation.

  • He undermines Neocons behind the scenes, even calling them "f***ing crazies."
  • He criticized the response to Katrina.
  • He criticized Torture.
  • He called for Gitmo to be closed.
  • He supports Affirmative Action
  • He is Pro-Choice.
  • This is a guy who has helped to support really great philanthropy and service programs.
  • He'd be President himself if he had ever sought political power.


10. We must not forget what he did in 2003, but we also must listen to him tell the full truth and listen to his demand for more truth. I see nothing but integrity when I objectively look at his life. I don't care if he was a character witness for that slime-ball Stevens. Friends and family do the same every day in criminal court proceedings. That's meaningless. I care about the more basic fact that he remains one of the most respected Americans both nationally and internationally, and that folks should embrace his integrity.

Respect him.

If he endorses Obama, respect the endorsement...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:19 AM
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1. Did I miss his endorsement? All I've heard is speculation so far. nt
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:21 AM
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5. I don't think so. And the blog that's at the link concludes,
"If he endorses Obama, respect the endorsement..."
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:24 AM
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11. exactly. there have been 2 days of leaking that he will endorse obama on sunday's MTP
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 10:25 AM by Essene
since powell is very good at staying out of the public eye and usually doesnt play "gotcha" games, i think it is very safe to say he's going on MTP to endorse obama.

his comments this year indicate he's moving that way, anyways.

IF he endorses mccain, it will be an ugly day for him and his attempts to regain integrity since 2003.

lets keep in mind powell hates neocons... and probably doesnt like the direct mccain has taken.
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:20 AM
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2. O Lord, he will endorse McCain
Whatever would make anyone think that he will endorse Obama? Cripes.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. Wanna bet?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. I doubt that.
If he were not going to endorse Obama, he would endorse no one.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #2
8. i see you want to reply without READING... what you reply to =D
there is plenty of reason to think he's going with obama.

personally, if he opens his mouth and doesnt support obama then i think we can write him off as a jerk.

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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. Yea for real

This is just a major setup. We Dems need to proceed as if Powell will be endorsing McCain.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:20 AM
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3. Forget That! I dont' want it!
He's a liar. He helped lie us into this damned occupation. Keep it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #3
10. Quit thinking with your heart, and think with your head.. Powell is VERY powerful among Independents

What Democrats, especially DUers, feel about him is immaterial.



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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #10
53. Heart matters, too. But that's why folks should look more objectively at Powell.. and his type
He represents a very large number of moderates and moderate Republicans ready to embrace Obama.

All this nasty stuff about him being covered in the blood of innocents... is just more of the same.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:27 AM
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16. Independants don't see it that way.. this endorsement helps.
You don't have to like what the guy did to appreciate that he's trying to make ammends for it by endorsing a candidate that he knows will best help rectify his past poor decisions.

If we never forgive, we never move on to fix things for the better going forward. I'm glad to see Powell trying.. that's much more then most republicans are doing right now. They're continuing the merry-go-round of point the finger.. lie.. place blame elsewhere.. and continue a war.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #16
21. agreed
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 10:35 AM by Essene
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
80. agreed - his myth is powerful
Personally I think he is a rank opportunist, like Clarence Thomas, but many people think he is a moderate, reasonable person who they respect.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:21 AM
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4. I did not hear about his endorsing anyone..
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 12:54 PM
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36. Put it this way... Fox and Drudge are already trying to discredit him and call this a "black thing"
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #36
72. That figures..and it will be interesting to see them backpeddle when he endorses McSame.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:25 AM
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12. It's all speculation at this point.
I'll believe it when I hear it from Powell's lips.

Until then, I say we go forth as if he were sticking with his party. I'm not sure his endorsement means all that much to many, anyway. He's lost a lot of credibility during the Bush years.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:55 AM
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30. it's speculation, but look at all those saying it... and look at all the moderates GOPs jumping ship
and consider that Fox News is already trying to discredit Powell. :)

Andrea Mitchell
Diane Rehm
Lawrence O’Donnell

^ all have indicated Powell will support Obama.

Now... consider that we're seeing all kinds of republicans jumping ship and declaring that the GOP is losing them.

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:25 AM
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13. I read it. No sale.
He is complicit. He has been a good soldier boy, living comfortably these last 6 years. Meanwhile a million dead Iraqis and 50,000 grievously wounded US soldiers will never have their lives back.

No sale. No respect. No.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #13
24. So, you would rather he endorsed McCain? Gee, that'll show him.
When has cutting off your nose to spite your face ever worked for anybody?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:12 AM
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33. any moderate republican breaking from the insanity oughta get our support. PERIOD
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 11:12 AM by Essene
at least for now, under these circumstances.

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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #13
26. How was he complicit? If you really read it... feel free to respond point by point...
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:26 AM
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14. YOU FIRST, OKAY? Read on:
Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai

"I recall a phrase we used in the field, MAM, for military-age male," Powell wrote. "If a helo spotted a peasant in black pajamas who looked remotely suspicious, a possible MAM, the pilot would circle and fire in front of him. If he moved, his movement was judged evidence of hostile intent, and the next burst was not in front, but at him. Brutal? Maybe so. But an able battalion commander with whom I had served at Gelnhausen (West Germany), Lt. Col. Walter Pritchard, was killed by enemy sniper fire while observing MAMs from a helicopter. And Pritchard was only one of many. The kill-or-be-killed nature of combat tends to dull fine perceptions of right and wrong."

While it's certainly true that combat is brutal, mowing down unarmed civilians is not combat. It is, in fact, a war crime.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

Powell's moral failings didn't start in 2000.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. Thanks for not reading to what you respond to. SIGH
Im not interested in cut/paste ideological google wars.

Nor am i interested in throwing dirt from nam.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:26 AM
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15. Powell is a McCain donor
HE donated the full mount allowable under the law.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:34 AM
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19. he supported mccain in the primary. read the link, notice his increasing support of obama this yea
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. They pulled the same shit on KErry
Powell will endorse McCAIN and nobody else.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Increasing support - yet he has yet to donate
I don't see it. I hope I'm wrong but Powell's track record is less than stellar - and he still remembers who got him this far.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. have you read the link in the OP? or watched the video?
id be SHOCKED if he endorsed mccain and would take every word back.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Yes, I've read it and watched the video
But it still doesn't lead me to believe he will endorse Obama. I hope I'm wrong, honestly I do.

We can just as easily project that he will endorse McCain based on his history and just by using McCain's promises of being a "Maverick" and his blowhard love for "The Surge".
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:58 AM
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32. He opposed Iraq invasion. He opposed the surge. He opposed Gitmo. He attacks the Neocons...
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 10:59 AM by Essene
He didnt support the surge.

He adamantly said Bush ignored his commanders. However, in fairness, he was arguing for a more grass roots approach in Iraq which the surge turned out to be.
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:28 AM
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17.  Fuck him.
You get to do the right thing in the moment. Not after the fact.
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JBTO26 Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:33 AM
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18. He should be in jail ...
not on national TV endorsing anyone . Purposely lying to get a country into a war is a criminal act .
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #18
34. there is no evidence that he purposely lied. just the opposite. read what you reply to...
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
84. All of the evidence indicates he lied.
He just didn't want to be caught.

He was.

Now he should spend the rest of his life in prison.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #84
88. id like to see that evidence. feel free to share it.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Powell was so sure that he was lying that he refused to do so
unless the CIA Director didn't agree to sit behind him as he did so.

He knew he needed cover for his lies, and he figured he could blame it on somebody else.

Fortunately, in addition to George Tenet, he also has you to support his war crimes.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:50 AM
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28. IF Powell
endorsed Obama it will certainly help me regain some respect for him. I remember one comment he made after the invasion of Iraq when he was asked about his testimony and he said it made him ill, or something to that effect.

I wish he had been more forceful and resigned if he really didn't like the direction things were going. There are a lot of things I wish he had done differently. Maybe he can redeem himself a bit with an Obama endorsement. We shall see. If he does, I won't quibble about it. There are independents and republicans out there who still respect him.

I'm not counting on anything or taking anything for granted.

The next 18 days will be the most stressful of my life.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:51 AM
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29. Powell's endorsement of Obama MUST be
coupled with a full-bore repudiation of the neocons, bush & mccain.

For it to mean anything other than someone looking to ingratiate himself with the highly probable winner, he has to "come clean." He has to not pussyfoot around his complicity. He has to admit that he knew he was going along with something that stunk.

I actually don't think he was enthusiastic; I think he was being a lackey. But he should have resigned and spoken out, right then and there. He was, in fact, the "tipping point." He was THE one who had access to information AND had the trust of many. He was used for exactly that reason, and he knows it. And if one could rationalize his being snookered in the run-up, there is NO excuse for continuing to keep quiet, not blow the whistle, as time went by. He needs to really come out and admit it and take the blame.

He MIGHT be able to regain SOME of the respect I once had for him if he really falls on his sword. But any weaseling and excuse making and I will continue to consider him to be, well, an excuse-making weasel. And in that case I would consider his endorsement to be just self-serving. That said, there MAY be undecideds it would sway, so I would not repudiate it.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. 100% agree. Powell must not only endorse Obama, he must trash the neocons (again)
Starting with repeating his demand for a full investigation into the burying of "burn notices" leading to the invasion of Iraq.

He needs to openly criticize the neocon philosophy and its failures.

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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:48 AM
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35. It'll be a nice gesture .. but Powell has no credibility with me.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:00 PM
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37. I knew the war was horseshit before it started, and I knew the consequences.
Who wants my endorsement?

11. Colin Powell is covered in blood and bits of twitching human flesh.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. He opposed Iraq invasion. He opposed the surge. He opposed Gitmo. He hates Neocons.
I realize a lot of people just wont budge on Powell, cuz he's a military guy and also was in the bush admin.

That's why i suggest looking at the full picture and respecting what his endorsement will mean for many people.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Colin Powell SOLD THE IRAQ WAR to the world.
COLIN: OK, now moving to mobile WMD labs. What info do we have on that?

CHENEY: Uh, a guy in Germany. We dont know his name and we cant talk to him.

COLIN: Good enough! Lemme at that United Nations!

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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Read the OP and watch the video...
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. I read the whitewashing OP & watched the video & stop insulting people who see
through your tip-toe pantywaist arguments trying to redeem a
blood-covered wretch. Youre selling a vat of hogwash,
which is not so bad as selling a war based on evil lies
like your man Powell. Stop suggesting anybody who disagrees
with you has not read your soggy pap.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. so, now you insult...
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 01:36 PM by Essene
(you get inflamatory and then pretend im insulting you? how neocon of you)

...feel free to explain how those are "false" and "whitewashing" rather than get nasty.

If you disagree based on reasoned points and facts, feel free to share them like a civilized adult.

I'm sure you can, if you want.


PS... I didn't believe the white house non-sense either, so stop patting yourself on the back about that.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. Get off your high horse, you look silly up there.
At least three or four times already
in this thread you have insulted people who disagreed with
you by implying they havent read your OP.
Accept the fact that plenty of folks don't buy your
sales job on Powell any more than we bought Powell's
snow job on the war. He sold the war. If he was against
it, he shouldnt have sold it.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Embrace it damn it. EMBRACE IT!!! n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Actually, I would take Powell's endorsement, blood-covered as he is,
because it would likely help Obama, however minimally.
But I don't for a second buy this milquetoast attempt
to redeem poor Colin as some kind of anti-war activist
after HE SOLD THE WAR TO THE WORLD BASED ON HIS INTEGRITY,
which he now has none of in my eye.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. I was joking. But that's what I posted in another thread. I'll take the endorsement but
that doesn't make ol' Collin any less of an ass kisser opportunist.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Yep.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. Some people are acting like our opinion on DU which is what .0000000000001% of the population
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 01:59 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
is somehow going to fuck it up for Obama if and i repeat IF he gets the endorsement.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. I dont know about you but my opinion is the first one I look at, respect, and admire
first thing every morning and last thing every night. :hi:
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. That makes 2 of us. I meant that about your opinion not mine. I suck.
:evilgrin:
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #63
67. I would never say I'm always right because on some topics
I haven't given my opinion yet.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. But when you do I'll be waiting in order to borrow it as my own. Think of me as your personal
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 02:13 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
Clarence Thomas. But I'm not a stalker I swear.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:53 PM
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51. Feel free to address the points rather than to get personal n/t
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:55 PM
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56. Feel free to tell me how somebody against a war takes the stage and sells that war to the world.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #56
65. you said you read the OP and watched the video...
right?

i can expand on those points in there, if you want to actually discuss them. i doubt it, for some reason...
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:19 PM
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71. You are a good person to forgive and embrace the blood-covered Powell.
Youre a better person than I am.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:36 PM
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43. "cuz he's a military guy": What kind of rethug bullshit is this? n/t
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:51 PM
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49. rethug? um, no...
I'm saying... i understand a lot of people on DU just simply hate all military stuff and understandably dont trust him because of his background.

The "he's a soldier" argument, basically.

I respect that distrust.

I am saying... look at the entire record. He's barely a republican and he hates war.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:53 PM
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52. "a lot of people on DU just simply hate all military stuff " Like who for instance? nt
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:55 PM
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55. (kidding right?)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:56 PM
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59. I'm waiting. n/t
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. My point being you're trying to lecture people while making stupid generalizations which
I've only heard from repubes in the past.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:04 PM
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62. now that you have decided to simply call me a freeper... sigh
let me get this straight:

- i am the one being a jerk when i simply acknowledged how i understand a lot of peopel just dont WANT to like a military guy with powell's background.

- i am a freeper and you're going to make this about MY integrity rather than address what ive actually said

- i am making "generalizations" when all i did was say some people just dont respect him and i understand why

seriously.

and now you want me to list people on DU who dont like military stuff? how sincere. :)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:09 PM
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68. I don't know if you're a freeper or not. I doubt it though. Shit, we could all be freepers for all
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 02:12 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
I know. All we have to go on is our word. This is an anonymous forum after all. I'll try again. What the fuck does him being in the military at some point have to do with him being an asshat? John Kerry, JFK, McGovern, Howard Zinn, etc, etc were all in the military at some point.

Now coming inhere and saying "Duh you don't like him 'cause he wa sin the military is just stupid and it is a rethug talking point. Where have you been for the past 8-30 years?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:38 PM
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44. Alright Colin (or Mrs. Powell) when did you first decide to sign up on DU? n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 01:45 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:17 PM
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92. No kidding, right?
:yourock: I was wondering why the OP felt the need to force-feed their viewpoint on all of us ... ;)
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:45 PM
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47. I hope so and hope it would put an end to 'Obama pals around w/terrorists' crap
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 01:52 PM
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50. not so sure about THAT, but it adds one of the biggest military names to Obama's side
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:06 PM
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64. Jesus Christ people. **OUR OPINIONS MEAN NOTHING IN THIS CASE**
By "our" I mean DU. The **only** thing that matters is the effect on Public Opinion that a Powell endorsement will have.

If the public still respects him, then it his endorsement will be a net positive for Obama, FULL FUCKING STOP.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:08 PM
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66. agreed... but my feelings are a little hurt :-)
hehehehe
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:11 PM
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70. Yes. nt
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:59 PM
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85. Are you Nancy Pelosi?
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:25 PM
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73. Who the hell is political-zazen.blogspot.com ? Somebody posting from moms basement?
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 02:27 PM by Fluffdaddy
:P
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:35 PM
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74. Not the OP?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:42 PM
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75. 11. Powell caved and was instrumental in illegal warmongering
Just something that appears to be missed out of that list there.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:04 PM
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76. IMO -- couldn't hurt.
Let the endorsement commence. :bounce:

--IMM
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:23 PM
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77. So he was against the war but he went out and sold it still. What the hell does that make him?
He is no fucking hero. Far from it. I think his endorsement could help sway the votes of some people. That's great, I'll welcome an endorsement if it helps keep McCain out of the White House. He is still a foul human being.

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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:24 PM
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78. Yeah -- What GreenJ said. Exactly.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:40 PM
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79. Imagine the integrity he'd have today if he had quit instead of carrying his briefcase full of blood
to the UN. Alas.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:49 PM
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81. Obama would graciously accept, but I can't see Powell throwing McCain under the bus
Edited on Fri Oct-17-08 03:51 PM by wishlist
Powell endorsed McCain and donated to him in Repub primary so even though he has been neutral in the general election I cannot see Powell sticking his neck out now to switch sides, although I would dearly love to see him diss McCain and praise Obama, with Tom Brokaw no less, as I would love to see many more prominent non Dems support Obama.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:02 PM
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86. He threw Bush under the bus, along with all the Neocons. The trashed Mccain on Georgia & Diplomacy
He endorsed mccain in the primary against the other Republicans.

He hasnt endorsed anybody in the main race.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:55 PM
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82. .....
11. Colin Powell knowingly, and willingly lied to the U.N. and the American public in an effort to justify going to war, a war that has killed countless innocents. as well as thousands of American Service people.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:56 PM
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83. Fuck this bullshit.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #83
87. so, obama should reject the endorsement of a powerful, respected, moderate black republican?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:10 PM
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90. I don't know how to reject an endorsement but Obama should have nothing to do with this evil killer.
Just like Nancy Pelosi shoudn't've taken impeachment off the table.

Doing the right thing is easy.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:15 PM
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91. looks like a tough sale here..
and although much of what you say might be true, he sold the war to the UN. I think if he owned up to..really owned up to what he did, some might be able to forgive. But without that, his endorsement is like an endorsement from Bush.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 04:26 PM
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93. I doubt I'd even forgive him then.
To be honest, I'm pretty tired of people who know they're doing something hideously wrong and only see the light when the plan goes tits up. If the war was going swimmingly I suspect Colin would still be side by side with the people who started it, taking credit.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:21 AM
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94. w00t... i hope all you haters can relax and embrace it
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 08:21 AM by Essene
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:22 AM
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95. I, for one, was never a hater and i'm embracing the fuck out of this one...
:woohoo:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:33 AM
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96. hehehehe... i need to learn to use that smiley $150 mill & powell sunday!
:woohoo:
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