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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:33 PM
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I have something good to say about Republicans
I'm a registered Republican, though I may be changing my party affiliation soon.

I feel that Republicans deserve a little credit on one point. In this race, there are probably more Republicans voting Democrat than at any time since the two parties formed. I know several personally, and the poll numbers indicate that this is a major factor in this race. Not only that, but these Republicans are switching sides to vote for the first Black presidential candidate.

This proves three things:

1. Not all Republicans are Kool-Aid drinkers
2. Not all Republicans are racists
3. All that remains in the GOP are the Kool-Aid drinkers and racists

OK, well, that's two positives out of three.

But seriously. It's scary that the party has been distilled down to the most hard-core extremists, and they still have pretty large numbers. That's disturbing to me.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:36 PM
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1. This is what I've been saying for some time now
The reason the McCain/Pallin Klanvocations have gotten so nasty is that all moderate Republicans have bailed, leaving nothing but the nose-pickers and knuckle-draggers.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:36 PM
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2. crisply stated - you got MY recommend for what it's worth - NT
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:37 PM
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3. so, do I





















































































still thinkin....
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:37 PM
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4. The Republican party ain't what it used to be.
Remember fiscal conservative?
Small government?
Privacy rights?

These used to be Republican pricipals. Today, not so much.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:42 PM
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14. Those paleo-cons don't scare me. In fact, I feel right friendly toward
them like we're cousins or something. It's the religious rightwing nuts and the neo-cons that are beyond the pale.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:46 PM
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15. I left the Republican party after a year of Reagan. It had become obvious
that they were greedy hypocrites, and the religious nut-cases worried me.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:37 PM
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5. Biden said that this isn't the same Republican party that our grandparents
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 05:38 PM by gateley
knew. It's changed, and apparently those in the party who are observant and paying attention are taking a different direction. :hi:


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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:39 PM
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6. Welcome,kdusa,
I'm glad to hear the news of crossing party lines to help elect Obama.

Thank you! :)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:42 PM
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7. I'll say something positive
about Bush.

In a way, Bush helped make Obama's candidacy possible. He appointed African Americans to high profile positions in his administration. Though we may not agree with Condi Rice or Colin Powell, during the past few years people have gotten used to seeing them in the news. A Black president isn't such a leap after that.

That's really about all that I can say about Bush that can be given a positive spin.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:45 PM
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9. That's a good point
It's hard to know for sure how much it helped, but wouldn't it piss them off to know they laid the groundwork for Obama?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:53 PM
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19. Funny you should mention that because that same thought has often crossed my mind. But I would also
say this: Black folk like Condi Rice, Colin Powell, and Clarance Thomas are not your typical AA.

But then again, neither is Obama.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:43 PM
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8. true enough.
I know a few who have been voting Dem since at least 2004. They say, "I didn't leave my party, my party left me."

What I don't get is McCain running so far to the right and trying to get Bush's base, to the extent that he alienates everyone else. Even Bush didn't do that when he ran in 2000. He ran as a moderate and than moved right when in office. Since when does making the tent smaller help you win election.

If he's thinking of repeating Bush's 2004 win, that is a whole different game. That was won by being embroiled in Iraq and lying about all the failures and scaring people. Now it's not such a big deal and people are focused on the sorry state of the economy and McCain has no message.

Not that I'm unhappy about his hapless campaign, but who are the clods who planned his strategy for him? He's waging a 2004 campaign.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:46 PM
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10. I'd like to see the numbers on Obama's republican support. n/t
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 05:49 PM
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11. I agree with you.
Having stood by the party through Watergate I was a steadfast conservative. After Ronnie's first term and Iran-Contra hit the fan I began to really start questioning things in the gop. They took on this win at all costs mentality and to hell with those who got in their way. They identified a sizeable voting block in the conservative fundamentalists and courted them with talks of outlawing abortion and adopting other planks they would love to the gop platform. When the fundies took over I was on my way out. Between them and the bullying neocons I couldn't stand to see what had happened to the gop. It was more than I could take. I left and never looked back.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:09 PM
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12. Rec. I believe thr GOP will split these "religious/extremist"
folks out into another party, while the Republican party will retain the moderate, decent people who it seems to now find unqualified to be Republicans. It will go back to some of its older values, and abandon Newtism. Just my opinion, but I am interested to see how it works out.

We are certainly happy to have your votes.
Obama is the most qualified person we have seen in a long time, no matter what his ethnicity, and he will be a great president.

mark
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:41 PM
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13. Yes, I've been glad to witness the Republican Desertion Effect,
finally, certainly. Sure and you betcha.

But gosh, last time we had a war hero with lots of international experience and credibility and a dedication to an alternative energy Apollo project, and transparent government,and the Republican candidates were the Bush-Cheney Gang that had already brought about Abu Ghraib, and news was out that there were no WMD after all, and Bush had declared Mission Accomplished but we were still throwing money at the Iraq occupation and paying billions for very low quality service by military contractors who were given preferred vendor status and really didn't deserve it. Even so, you all still chose him in high enough numbers to push him over the top with just a little election manipulation here and there in swing states.(Just a little flip from 51/48 K/B to the official result, after midnight, 2004.)

As a Yellow Dog Democrat, I have been horrified that traditional Republicans allowed their party to sink so low yet go unchallenged. Your party was led by a guy that accepted the dismal performance of Halliburton and KBR with the moldy food and electro-shock showers and insufficient armor for our own troops-- and you all did not join us behind John Kerry, a distinguished Veteran with Purple Heart and Bronze Star and the support of lots of generals, admirals and diplomats, to withdraw from Iraq and repair our military and make our approach to terrorism more swift and efficient. Kerry had great plans that made a lot of sense. We'd be far ahead in alternative energy already, for example, creating jobs here at home right now. And Kerry had spent years urging regulations on international finance, so he'd have been there looking out for the financial bubbles we have had foisted upon us. But you chose the Kennebunkport Cowboy and his war profiteers instead.

You all who were supposed to be the fiscally responsible group a long time ago, did not rise up to take back your party from the ideologues and bring it back to the rational side. You refused to accept the 2 realities that Bush's first term had already made abundantly clear: (1) trickle down economics still doesn't work and (2) military service privatization led to corruption-- the USA was forced to accept lousy service for lots of money from no-bid (i.e. no competition) contracts. And friends of the President were hired to do a heck of a job running important government agencies. But enough of you stayed with your party to allow it all to continue.

You all who were supposed to be really concerned about the U.S. national security and the welfare of our troops, allowed our country to dishonor all of us by starting a war on false pretenses and sustaining it on evidence gained from torture, which all our military experts told us was unreliable. And how could you vote to re-elect an administration that allowed practicing torture even though we all know that endangers our own troops, making them susceptible to similar gruesome treatment if they are ever captured.

You all knew that and yet you allowed the Bush Gang to stay in control and do their shenanigans with the culture war stuff and bully their way back into the White House.

So sure, I'm glad you are wise enough to be voting for Barack Obama, the candidate that makes sense,
instead of the angry Senator McLiar and his Christian Fundamentalist governor gal. Wish you had preferred dorky yet fierce Veteran Kerry to the massively destructive Bush Gang last time, but hey, better late than never.

I hope you more responsible Republicans can take back your party from the awfully corrupt Ends Justify The Means Gang. The Republicans always ran a culture war game, but the snarling of Southern Secessionist Wallace type rallies had been curbed somewhat for the last 20 years. I watched the debates looking for some kind of contrition from McSnarl for stirring up that kind of hatred, and instead was treated to an even more hostile attitude than he'd shown heretofore. In response to the admonition from the elder statesman John Lewis he said he respected before, McLurch did not make one more statement urging his followers to respect Senator Obama. He did not apologize for his followers getting carried away and shouting "Terrorist" and "Kill Him" out of their charming dedication. Instead he expressed strong anger at John Lewis on the air, broadcast to millions of people. He trashed Lewis, instead of heeding his warning. And then proceeded to directly and openly declare that he was proud of each and every one of his supporters. That was chilling.

So golly, glad to have you, but I wish you'd turned your party around from this Culture War Gutter Politics four years ago, when they were wearing band-aids with purple hearts on them to mock Senator Kerry's military career. I am still angry that the commentariat thinks that the RNC trash ads are equal to Obama team negative ads. McShame acknowledged the difference himself. He said that during the game he watched, he saw lots of ads attacking his healthcare POLICY. And attacking HIS APPROACH to the economy. Yes, McShame, you said it-- the Obama team issues sharp ads that attack your POLICIES AND PLANS, not you as a person. No "Adulterer Born in Panama" ads from them. That's a big difference I am glad to see the public really appreciates.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:52 PM
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16. Not quite. Tara Wall, James T. Harris, Clarence Thomas, Hasselbeck, to name a few
who would not be considered 'moderate' or 'knuckle draggers,' just staunch 'conservative.' These are the ones I think are more devoted to the 'party' rather than the candidate.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:29 PM
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17. Step 1: Knock the GOP out of power
Step 2: All the thinking Republicans who have been shoved aside by the neocons and theocrats take back their party, and use it to start helping America recover from this long nightmare.
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:36 PM
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18. Sounds like a guy I used to work with
He came from a long line of fiscally conservative socially liberal country club Republicans - lawyers and doctors. Classic Ike/Jerry Ford types. Left the Republican party in 2000, scared to death of the religiously insane. "I don't want my kids to grow up in their world" was the explanation he gave one day over lunch. Staunch Dem now.
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