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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:52 PM
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The Rev. Wright conundrum.
Say what you will, but the McCain/Palin ticket does have some restraint.

There is somewhere they just aren't willing to go.

No crazy preacher ads. Not one.

And I don't think they will go there. If so, they would have, either bringing up the Black Bogie Man last night or in ads this past week. They stink of desperation, but they still won't touch Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Why not?

The link between Obama and his former pastor is surely stronger than the tenuous William Ayers connections.

Too racially divisive? Please. They've morphed the Republican party into the KKK-without-a-hood-crowd at their "rallies" already. The only thing they're missing is the burning crosses. That might be next.

So at this late stage, I wonder why that one last incendiary Molotov cocktail ain't getting thrown.

Any ideas?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 PM
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Hagee and Palin's crazy speaking-in-tongues church
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:56 PM
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6. But Obama routinely doesn't counter punch with "you have your own skeletons"
And even so, what do they have to lose at this point?

I'm somewhat confused by them not going there on Wright.
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RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 PM
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1. Two words: Witch. Doctor.
nt
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:20 PM
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25. Oh, thanks a lot!
Now I have an earworm for the day.

:spank:
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:45 PM
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32. You forgot about the 'Alaska Independet Party', Joe Vogler
This "Joe" didn't want to be buried under our "damn flag."
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:59 PM
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34. Thomas Muthee and dominionism.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:01 PM
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35. There's tape of Muthee. Amy played it this week.
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 02:02 PM by sfexpat2000
It's not a vote getter. :)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 PM
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2. I'm surprised too. His #s went down among white men after that. But Clinton also...
didn't touch it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:55 PM
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5. Yeah she did.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:00 PM
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16. Clinton didn't touch it?
You're kidding right?
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 PM
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3. Paisely. Hagee. Murthee. next question. //nt
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 PM
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4. it's obvious
look at McCain's preachers and Palin's churches. They don't want to bring that up.

Also, it defuses the "Obama is a Muslim" thing they have going on.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:57 PM
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9. That might be the best reason. Pointing out his Christian pastor undermines the Muslim meme.
I like that reasoning.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:56 PM
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7. they both have serious preacher problems
Someone here theorized that Colin Powell made a deal with McCain: Powell doesn't endorse Obama and McCain doesn't bring up Wright. I think that's plausible :shrug: but mainly I think it's about their preachers.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:56 PM
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8. Ad's showing Wright are running but they're done by a 527.
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 12:57 PM by chimpsrsmarter
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 PM
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13. Are they? I'm in Oklahoma which is so red no one advertises here at all.
All we get are national ads and that's it.

If any 527s are running anti-Wright ads, I haven't seen them.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:59 PM
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15. i think it's only a few battleground states.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 PM
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10. Plain and simple : it destroys the "secret Muslim" whisper campaign!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 PM
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11. As Keith Olbermann noted one evening, Sarah Palin's
witch-chasing pastor makes Rev. Wright look like Father Flanagan.:rofl:
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 PM
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12. People in glass houses...?
In the past they were confident enough to pull stunts like questioning Kerry's military service when their own team never heard a shot fired in anger, because they knew the Democrat would just fold like a pack of cards. But now they sense that the opposition candidate is a fighter, they know that if they try to open that particular can of worms, Barack won't be afraid to hit back with Hagee, protection from witchcraft etc.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:22 PM
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26. Colbert said McLiar "has been spending too much time lately throwing stones
from his seven glass houses."
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 PM
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14. Can't risk either appearance of OPEN racism or being anti-Christian.
I'll be honest and say I voted for O. despite his association with Wright and not because of it. Frankly, the folks backing McC. are a lot more frightening than Wright.

The Ayers thing is a red herring of course. Just because that guy is guilty of something doesn't mean O. had anything to do with it. What was O. supposed to do? Abandon education reform?
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Buck Rabbit Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:00 PM
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17. Deserting your family to marry an heiress almost the age of your oldest child.
I believe that is the quid pro quo that the campaigns struck a deal on.

If not that, Obama's camp has a tape of McCain's Tokyo Rose POW confessions.

Anyway, this is what the voice in my tinfoil hat tells me.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:01 PM
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18. 1) wright's actual words 2) palin's church 3) attacking churches is risky for GOP
what wright actually said was basically "god damn white america" for being racist and unjust.

there is a myth among those who WANT to have obama and blacks (thank you clinton), that wright is racist and anti-american.

the myth serves the GOP much better than the truth.

they'd rather not dig into it... cuz it can backfire in so many ways.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:03 PM
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19. Wait ten days, they'll use it
Two weeks from today, tops. They are saving it for last.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:09 PM
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21. I also thought of this. Trying to scare whites in the last week.
But by then the die will have been cast and it will be too late.

To me it was now or never.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:11 PM
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22. This is an interesting prediction.
If he waits that long, it's really going to look like he's flailing and desperate.

My sense is that McCain genuinely doesn't want to run a negative campaign, but is surrounded by Rove-trained advisers who keep pushing him to do so. They convinced him that the Ayers charge really wasn't about portraying Obama as a terrorist, but just someone with bad judgment. Then Sarah Palin got a hold of it and went around saying Obama pals around with terrorists. My hunch is that that was a major embarrassment to McCain, and that right now, he wishes he'd just stuck with Joe Lieberman instead.

In the end, I think you can only say that McCain decided early on that he wasn't going to make this campaign about race by bringing Rev. Wright into it, and he's sticking to that. I respect him for that.

But if you're right, and the good reverend makes an appearance in the last days of the campaign, then we'll know he was just a scoundrel through and through.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:15 PM
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23. I get that sense too, that he is a prisoner of his own campaign
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 01:17 PM by SoonerPride
He didn't want Palin.
He didn't want any of this.

Maybe he is right.

If Obama had agreed to 10 townhalls, he wouldn't have let his handlers pick Palin and lead us down this disastrous divisive path, but since ol' meanie Obama just wanted three debates, it forced his hand into picking a red meat base stirring loony fundy like Palin.

He thought 10 townhalls he could show his experience and sway enough middle grounders to win.

But when Obama snubbed him he was desperate for a game changer and that meant Palin, lies, Ayers, and all sorts of muck he in his heart of hearts didn't want.



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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:18 PM
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24. Yup! With little time for Obama to recover. nt
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:08 PM
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20. I believe Hillary's supporters were correct when they said her going there helped him.

Not the silliness about toughening him up. But because now if McCain tried that the audience reaction would be, "been there, seen that." Once the shock and initial anger passed, most people realized that they really didn't give a shit.

There are some rabid morons out there who do. But there is no need to re-play this for them.

I am still waiting for Obama launching 24x7 (or a reasonable approximation thereof) commercials featuring McCain sayting that "Americans can't" work as hard as Mexicans.

I wonder, has Obama been planning that line of attack since day one of this campaign? "McCain says Americans can't do hard work, I say, 'Yes we can!'"


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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:23 PM
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27. The only reason they won't use him is because there is video of McCain saying
He doesn't believe Obama shares Wright's views. So they can't use it
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:23 PM
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28. Witch doctor priest and John Hagee.
And it would look mighty slimy of McCain to suddenly start flogging Wright after pledging he wouldn't.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:25 PM
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29. The reason is simple - Their negatives would skyrocket
If they thought for one second that it wouldn't hurt them they would be all over it.
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ipfilter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:26 PM
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30. The MSM was wall to wall Rev. Wright
during the primaries and it didn't stick. Palin has her Assembly of God ties and even most fundie churches consider A of G to be on the fringe. They could run a risk of scaring their fundie base. I think it's a third rail they don't want to touch.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:34 PM
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31. Do you honestly believe, from the tone of your post, that the McCain/Palin ticket is not low enough
to go there? Really?

After saying that Obama "Palls around with terrorists."

Really?

I would suggest that the reason they don't go there is because they have their own religious problems.

Palin was blessed by a witch hunter preacher, laying on the hands kind of stuff. McCain is endoarsed by a preacher that says all Catholics are going to burn in hell fire.

No my friend, it is not because they will not go that low, we already know they will, it is because they each have a bag of crap that they don't want to see exposed.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:06 PM
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36. But with Palin pallin around with secceionists, I don't think they are scared of her preacher issues
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thincaboutit Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:49 PM
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33. They should run this oldie....
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:11 PM
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37. McCain castigated one of the state GOP's a few months ago for going there
Imagine how hypocritical they'd look if they went there now.
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