Obama slaughtered him. I just wish it were uglier. How am I wrong?

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

1) I'm more than happy to say that Obama and his crew know far more than I do about all things political. After all, they slew the Clinton machine and the Rove mechanism is going down with great ease. Never the less . . .

2) When it comes to health care, and when it comes to McCain railing against a "federalized" system, would it kill Obama to be smug and condescending just once, ONCE, to throw this shit back in McCain (and all repubs') face(s)? Just say something like this: "You know, Senator McCain has benefited from government health care for over 50 years. When he valiantly served in the Navy, he benefited from this country's health care; when he was released, he benefited, and rightly so, from his government's taxpayer funded health-care. When he became a Senator, again, he benefited from the health-care provided to him from tax-payers, from those very people he represents.

So it seems to me, Bob, that he's being a bit disingenuous as he rails against government-funded health-care, as he's spent his entire adult life enjoying those rightfully deserved benefits. I would simply argue this: that Senator McCain's constituents, those very citizens that he represents in Washington, deserve the SAME health-care they provide for their Senator. How can her rail against a system that has provided for his injuries from war? How can he rail against a system that has provided for his struggle against cancer? Rather than rail against government health-care, it seems to me that Senator McCain ought to be arguing for it, as it has provided him with invaluable care; it has provided him with an extended life after his battle with cancer; it has allowed him both responsive care for his cancer and preventative care for further cancer. I simply want ALL Americans to enjoy the care they pay for Senator McCain. We represent and serve them people, and I'm radical enough to say that they ought to enjoy the same health-care that they provide us, their workers. I can't understand why Senator McCain would deny the voters the very same health-care they have provided for him. Thank you."

I like the mention of cancer to remind people that he has in fact had cancer. PALIN!!!!

[Fridays Child]

1. Obama doesn't do "ugly." He does "effective."

And, as worried as voters are right now, that's the demeanor they want to see in their leaders.

[billyoc]

2. I wanted snot bubbles coming out of his nose.

:evilgrin:

[wanpete]

3. this is what drives his opponents nuts, and some supporters too.

but that's Barack and I respect him for his skill and knowledge.

[Clio the Leo]

4. Because we dont want a butcher in the White House...

... I realize you dont mean a literal slaughter but think about ..... Mr. Boring, reserved, slow to wrath is EXACTLY the man we want in charge of our foreign policy.

And every other policy for that matter.

[pnwmom]

10. Amen. n/t

[Clio the Leo]

5. *

[Duppers]

6. yeah, I want to see him give McSnort belly punches too

But I agree with the first poster in this thread; what Pres. Obama did was effective.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

8. Quite honestly, anything Obama does is effective.

You know, he has eloquence and logic and facts on his side.

I simply want him to be MORE effective. Shove that anti-government-health-care shit down McCain's throat. Really, how dare he tell us that what's good for him isn't good for us. Why don't you let us try it out? Do you, Senator McCain, have to worry about pre-existing conditions. As a 72-year-oldcancer survivor, you better hope those pre-existing conditions don't apply. Do you know why they don't? Because the government can't.

[nickgutierrez]

7. If there's one thing we should have learned over the past 8 years...

...it's that it is impossible to govern when you've worked so hard to alienate half of the electorate. The reason Obama has been so effective is because he's run a campaign that refuses to alienate Republicans and conservatives, while McCain has run the Karl Rove campaign, hoping to get 50.1% of the vote.

[elkston]

9. Because until he is elected and has proven himself with WHITE MEN

he cannot attack and be aggressive to another white man.

I know its slightly racist, but that is how some react to black men who show a tinge of anger and smugness. They don't like it.

Notice how the lines for MEN always went down when Obama was even SLIGHTLY more combative.

If Obama knew he had everyone's vote of confidence, he would go off on McCain. He has to play it cool because we have NEVER elected a black President before.

[coalition_unwilling]

11. That is a very insightful comment (and

deserves its own thread, imho).

There was one spot I thought Obama missed a golden opportunity to score a TKO. When McBush uttered the phrase "class war," (insinuating that Obama was trying to start one), I think Obama could have said, "Senator, you and your party have been waging class war for the last 8 years . . . on the middle class."

I saw Obama smile when McBush said it and I was almost sure he was going to do it. But the conversation went elsewhere. Tant pis pour nous!

[elkston]

12. Yeah that would have been a good comeback ...

and he could have delivered it with a sharp, but calm tone. But I guess he wanted to avoid sniping so that he could have a clear contrast between himself and McCain.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. McCain is beaten

Obama was as great on substance as he has been. But, composure wise and remaining thoughtful and on top of the issues, he was an A+.

Its not Obama's performance that stood out though. It was McCain's absolute tanking. He isn;t even knowledgeable about his own proposals, much less the issues as a whole. He gets too emotional and gets rattled. He was horrible tonight. He looked defeated and not composed.

THIS WAS BY FAR THE BIGGEST MARGIN OF VICTORY IN ANY OF THE 4 DEBATES.

Blow out win Obama!!!

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

[indie_voter]

14. He is black. I say this as a colored person... the rules are different.

We can rage against the machine all we want, but Obama gets it. He couldn't attack an old white war hero. He played it perfectly and won.