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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:34 PM
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McCain thinks he killed tonight. He is completely wrong.
And this is yet another reason why you don't want this guy running the country: he's got no @#$! idea how he comes across to other people.

The reason he was so much more chipper at the end of the night this time was that he really thinks he did well. He got in all the zingers that he'd loaded up with and you could see that every time he let one fly he just sat there grinning and looking hugely pleased with himself. But I do not think that it worked for him, and here is why:

1) In general, it is not a good idea to laugh at your own jokes, unless you are laughing with someone else who has laughed at them first. If nobody else is laughing at your joke but you are, then you look like a loser. Since neither Bob Schieffer nor Obama were laughing at most of them, McCain's self-congratulatory cackling just made their failure resound more loudly.

2) He seriously thought that interrupting Obama a million times to stick the knife in was going to enable him to emerge the victor, I suppose because that's how he figured he was kicking Obama's "you know what." However, since McCain never got a rise out of Obama, that little drama didn't play out either; it just made McCain look like a flea trying to behead an elephant by biting his way through its neck. Maybe you might make a slight look of annoyance cross the elephant's features, but that's about it.

3) Obama's health care plan is still clearly better, McCain's is still clearly insane from the point of view of ordinary Americans.

4) The Joe the Plumber thing might have worked for him if he hadn't kept pushing it so relentlessly, and if he hadn't done that weird self-congratulatory cackling thing over "good news, Joe, you're rich!", and if Obama hadn't stolen his bit by talking directly to "Joe" about the fine--and if this whole exchange hadn't reminded everyone that Obama actually went to Ohio and MET Joe, whereas McCain is just sort of stalking him from a distance.

5) "Class warfare?" Did you really just pull that out? What is this, 1935?

6) The Ayers stuff. It's ridiculous. There's no justification for it and McCain knows that. For him to sit there saying "well I just think the American people need to know all the details" again after Obama's just given them all the details is just...well, I just keep coming back to the word "pathetic."

So, it seems like the PBS talking heads agree, so I can go to bed and perhaps not have nightmares. But anyway, the point here is this: McCain does not seem to be able to sense the mood in the room or to respond to it. He just keeps pushing his bits and he's pleased when he manages to get them out in the right order at hte right time and he has no means of assessing the reaction and adjusting his course. His POV is that if he says what he wants to say, then he wins--regardless of how the general public react. He is always the only important guy in the room, and if in his mind he's killing, then he's killing. Where have I met guys like this before...oh yeah, THAT ONE...

Well. I hope this pushes McCain further down in the polls, because I want a good 20 points separating the two fo them before we go into November.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:38 PM
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1. This works for me!
Turn out the lights.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:39 PM
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2. In less words; McCain is out of touch!
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blossomstar Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:48 PM
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3. Thank you, wonderful conclusion.
Now I can go to sleep in peace as well. Do you really think that McCain thinks he nailed it? Incredible. He lost in every way. Such as pathetic man.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:48 PM
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4. he is so bad for this country n/t
he just sat there grinning and looking hugely pleased with himself.

That was something I saw and it was like a little kid who - had just stole something or done something to you
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:49 PM
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5. He's just bat-shit crazy. Period.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:50 PM
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6. lol. I wish I was there to see McNut meet up with his stony-faced advisers
He ran off stage, leaving Cindy behind... I guess to find Rick Davis. By now he knows that he failed, once again.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:55 PM
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12. He and Cindy look very awkward around each other,
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 10:55 PM by tblue37
whereas the Obamas look loving and comfortable with each other.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:51 PM
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7. McSame was so full of shit about the abortion issue
OK, I vigorously disagree with him about the issue but if he had enough guts to say, of course he was going to look at that issue when selecting a SCOTUS justice, I'd have an iota more respect for him. He totally walked around that, scumbag.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:52 PM
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8. Excellent comments. You are right on. McSnort has always had
the illusion that he is really doing well. He just doesn't get it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:52 PM
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9. I agree totally.
Thanks for the analysis - spot on, IMO.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:54 PM
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10. watching the CNN Ohio Undecided Voter reaction graph,
it took a sharp dive every time he launched one of his "zingers" and every time he mentioned "Joe the Plumber."

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:55 PM
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11. knowing too much about the electronic voting machine issue
(which is every bit as bad as it ever was in many of the "battleground" states)

and general repuke election fraud,

Obama better have a 20-point lead, or they'll steal it again.
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Dem_4_Life Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:56 PM
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13. He is so out of touch and just generally out of it.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:57 PM
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14. McCain is the most tone deaf politician i have ever seen. It is
funny and scary at the same time. He learned absolutely nothing from the last two debates he had with Obama and he has no ability to adapt to the moment when somehing clearly isn't working or if another approach opens itself up. That is the main difference I saw between McCain and Obama tonight and that is why Obama has won all of the debates.
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FloridaGrl Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:57 PM
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15. He killed his campaign
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:57 PM
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16. I think ultimately his mocking of "the health of the mother"
will strike a nerve with a lot of people as mean spirited and wacko.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:32 AM
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31. yes that was par for the course with selecting Palin. An offense to feminists
if ever I saw one.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:02 PM
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17. Oh he killed alright - his campaign
:hi: PA!

Totally agree about wanting a 20 pt. lead. We need a tamper-proof number!

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RadicalTexan Donating Member (607 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:06 PM
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18. Also, "women's health"
:puke:

:grr:
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HomerRamone Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:07 PM
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19. "'Class warfare?' Did you really just pull that out? What is this, 1935?"
Not yet...it's only 1929...
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:04 PM
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39. Obama's policies are not class warfare...
Class warfare would be if mob of poor people rose up and marched down Rodeo Drive (or any other filthy rich neighborhood street) burning down houses and killing people. Now that would actually be class warfare!!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:24 PM
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41. yes. FDR is on the way, though!
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 11:38 AM
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53. I know! I thought of that too late to edit.
But you're absolutely right: we're now at the pre-"class warfare" stage, where everyone is finally coming around to the idea that the "free market" has screwed the country. Again.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:07 PM
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20. McCain: "Nailed it!"
America: "Not!"
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:08 PM
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21. He appeased his mad crowds (he had too) and what the hell was up with that lipstick?
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:54 AM
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24. He was trying to impress Ghoulioni......or imitate him...don't know which.
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:12 PM
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22. I'm convinced that McCain scores high on the psychopathy scale
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 11:16 PM by Cronus Protagonist
unable to empathise, unable to project how other people will feel, grandiose thoughts about himself, aggressive behavior, sexual promiscuity, makes contradicting statements without concern for being caught in his lies... it goes on and on, and McCain exhibits all of the traits.

http://www.arkancide.com/psychopathy.htm

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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:48 PM
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23. sneering at women s health is such a winner john!!
keep it up asshole!!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:58 AM
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25. I thought just the opposite
The continued pressing and strange reactions were from an awareness that you are not connecting. In part it may be that the crowd at the debates are quiet and he is used to support at rallys.

His concluding statement was so bungled that I got the impression that he was making an accounting and knows that he didn't come close to a game changer.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:01 AM
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27. The physical tic manifestations of flop sweat, eh?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:01 AM
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26. He did kill... his reputation and chances to ever be president.
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Kalifornia.Kid Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:13 AM
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28. Chris Matthews called McCain - An Angry Old Man in Slippers ...
Which one?
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:29 AM
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29. McCain committed suicide tonight, not homicide.
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 02:30 AM by diane in sf
edit: typo
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:32 AM
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30. K & R!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:18 AM
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32. You're totally on point
:thumbsup:
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:27 AM
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33. Break out the Geritol and Metamucil. LET'S PARTY!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:30 AM
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34. McCain was worse tonight than the first two debates.
The ONLY prism through which to view the debate is that of the undecided voter. No one else matters.

The people who are undecided yet are those who HATE the contentiousness of politics. That's a major reason they stay ignorant so long before elections. They don't like that aspect, and that's what McCain did all night.

McCain could not sit still, he came across as a guy who could not control his demeanor, as a guy who was spoiling to fight, as one who couldn't stick to the issues or answer them fully.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:01 AM
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35. social skill matter in a President. So does eloquence. McCain is embarrassing.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:05 AM
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36. HE DID KILL IT...
his campaign that is.

It all ended when he through every women under the bus.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:08 AM
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37. I cannot wait for Election Day.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:55 AM
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38. It's not really McCain's fault
that he bears an uncanny resemblence to the Grinch, and at this point there's probably not a lot he can do about it. If he smiles he looks like he's in the early stages of rigor mortis; if he doesn't he looks like a pissed-off tourist trying to get the waiter's attention. His only option would have been to comport himself as, you know, a dignified elder statesman, but apparently that's not in his repertoire. He can do smarmy and condescending, or cranky early senility and that's about it.
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:19 PM
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40. Excellent! I love your #4:
"...Obama actually went to Ohio and MET Joe, whereas McCain is just sort of stalking him from a distance."

:rofl:
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:29 PM
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42. I think McCain won the debate
after he licked Obama to death.


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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:54 PM
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47. LOL
Tell me that's a masterful Photoshop production. It can't be for real.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:51 PM
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43. "Pathetic"
I find myself using that adjective more and more when describing McCain. I can't think of one thing he's done right in his campaign and now he's destroyed any legacy he may have had.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:52 PM
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44. He's completely right.
But he's not gonna bring up the Iraq war dead on the campaign trail.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:37 PM
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45. Right on, Adder.
I think he looks at thisa election as a professional wrestling match. It doesn't matter if the audience is booing as long as you "win".

He's working from the wrong playbook. THIS YEAR, the people want to actually hear about ISSUES!

PEACE!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 01:41 PM
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46. McC killed something all right.
It was his last vestigial hope for victory.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:23 PM
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49. i think he was "faking it to make it" ( just like bush's mission accomplished) cause it's all he got
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:24 PM
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50. He thinks "Joe the Plumber" will win him the election.
The only problem is that everyday more and more unpleasant things come out about him.
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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:26 PM
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51. He came off like a crybaby petulant doofus.
As an aside, I know he can't help his shoulder issues, but I would cringe to have a guy representing me on the world stage who did that "arm thing" all the time. Too much like *.

:hide:
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Swagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 09:27 AM
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52.  correct-these psychological stuff-ups do sink into people's minds
and they get a sort "off" feel about the person. Yes,even Republicans ( the normal ones). The crazies will never be convinced but Obama just comes across as such a solid person.
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