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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:03 PM
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McCAIN'S FATAL MISTAKE -- "OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO TAKE SADDAM OUT
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 10:06 PM by Samantha
He was threatening to disrupt the flow of Middle East oil."

Blood for oil, admitted John McCain, the sentence slipping so casually off his tongue it was almost not perceived. Tonight as we sit here on this discussion board, we think of all those who have lost sons, daughters, husbands, beloved friends on the earth in Iraq. We remember the massive demonstrations that happened before the war's inception with those carrying signs, "No Blood For Oil," who were so callously dismissed by the Bush* cabal.

Yet, tonight as our economy hangs precariously in the balance, our prestige is in the toilet, and the blood of those dispatched to Iraq still stains its earth, and will continue to do so until our troops come home, John McCain casually looked into the cameras filming the debate, and uttered the above statement.

It was a fatal mistake that was simply breathtaking.

Sam
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:06 PM
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1. Actually he was talking about the first Gulf War, but the oil
statement was there. "Health of the mother" is going to do him in.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:07 PM
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4. We didn't take Saddam out in the first Gulf war
Why do you say that?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:25 PM
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10. He was indeed referring to the first gulf war.
"Take Saddam out" was vague, and probably a slight misspeak; he probably meant something like "force Saddam out of Kuwait," but his Iraq War talking points crept in.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:35 PM
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16. My quote above is almost verbatim
So I do not understand why you say it was in connection with the First Gulf War. I didn't make that connection at all. The only time I heard that discussed was when McCain criticized Biden's foreign policy experience. He said he had voted against the First Gulf War. Other than that, I heard no mention of the First Gulf war.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:12 PM
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27. Correct. I think he even mentioned Kuwait, and if I gave a shit
about anything the winkin' blinkin' campaign said, I would consult a transcript.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:06 PM
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2. ooh, I'd like to see a link to that. I missed it, despite watching most of the debate
Please let me know if you come across a link.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:21 PM
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6. I googled "obviously we had to take Saddam out"
and nothing came up. I know he said it, but it was so casual it seemed to go unnoticed. I thought it was a bombshell.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:27 PM
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12. Here's a quote you should know
“Fuck Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

-G.W. Bush, 2002

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2835.htm
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:48 PM
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19. Here's a link. The exact quote:
He voted against the first Gulf War. He voted against it and, obviously, we had to take Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait or it would've threatened the Middle Eastern world supply.


http://www.wkrg.com/politics/article/mccain_obama_last_debate_transcript/20026/

He was criticizing Biden for voting against the Gulf War.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:57 PM
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20. Yes, I said that upthread
I heard him throw that out against Biden. I did not hear "world" supply; I heard "oil" supply. I will try to catch the replay.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:07 PM
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3. I SAW THAT!
I almost FORGOT! :o
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:11 PM
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5. IT STUNNED ME
I came into my computer room to post it asap - to me it's over. Of course, I couldn't reconnect, so I wrote the words down so I would not forget them.

I said a few days ago on this site, in a thread I started, McCain was deliberately trying to throw this election. That thought caused a lot of controversy here. However, threw it tonight he did, whether accidental or deliberate it does not matter. This is a breathtaking admission, one that has been in controversy since the start of the war. McCain in effect said Obama was correct in opposing that war, that is if one has a philosophical problem with sending soldiers into war for oil, which some of us
do ....

Sam
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:27 PM
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11. He was talking about the FIRST GULF WAR!
Not the current Gulf War... the FIRST ONE! :o
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:36 PM
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17. And you say this because...
?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:22 PM
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21. I say this because
rehashing the FIRST GULF WAR? :o
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:32 PM
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15. THANK YOU!
I guess that makes two of us! Could you believe it? And why is it not being discussed?
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:23 PM
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7. I didn't hear that....good catch!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:25 PM
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9. It was a very quiet succinct statement
But that is almost verbatim what he said. "Obviously we had to take Saddam out, he was threatening to disrupt the flow of Middle East oil." It was staggering.
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:05 AM
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24. Have they altered the transcript?
because reading it, McCain says "He (Biden) voted against the first Gulf War. He voted against it and, obviously we had to take Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait or it would've threatened the Middle Eastern world supply."

Taking Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait is pretty different from taking him out (in the Al Pacino sense of the term...)

But I wouldn't be surprised if that line was altered here to include "of Kuwait" just to neaten things up. I don't think the shadow powers behind the veil want such a sharp focus on the intention to keep the oil flowing.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:23 PM
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8. Oil flowed freely under Saddam
The only thing was, the wrong people were profiting....
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:30 PM
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14. I am not here to argue that point
I am sure you are correct. The only controversy I remember from the immediate pre-war days was Saddam's desire to trade in euros and the disruption that would have here in the United States.

My point is how could McCain make a statement like that casually and just as quickly move on to the next subject. It is a controversy that has raged since the war's inception, and he put the reason as to the why the war had to be waged to rest. As I said above, it was a mistake the magnitude of which stuns me.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:28 PM
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13. Oh yeah. I caught that. It was shocking. nt
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 10:37 PM
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18. k and r nt
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 11:24 PM
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22. I liked how he sort of trailed off and whispered that. WHOOPS so much for energy-independence
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 06:38 AM
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23. kick for morning peeps.
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:31 AM
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25. Gulf War I... very clearly about that
I was not shocked at all. I heard it. The full quote is posted already. It was not an admission of going to war IN Iraq for oil
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Magleetis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 08:34 AM
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26. I heard that
loud and clear.
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