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DrTeeth Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:31 PM
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obama tax plan
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:36 PM
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1. "Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics."
That's all you have to read of that article. The last 8 years should serve as the final verdict on the utter failure of supply-side economics. He then launches into a tirade against refundable tax credits despite the fact that its the cornerstone of McCain's health care proposal.
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seleff Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:05 PM
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2. Pretty much going back to the 93 Clinton resolution?
Without analyzing the details, isn't his proposals pretty much taking us to the rates (actually a little lower I think) that the Repubs said would kill the economy in 1993? I think that we do have to keep hammering this in that, when you place Bush's record against Clinton/Dem record of the 90s, their dog jus' don' hunt like ours does. The comment about top marginal rates going up 13%, remember that isn't going from 26% to 39%. Isn't it going from 35% to 39%! Anyway, if my wife doesn't lose her job, we'll be fortunate enough to hit the top rate. To help bring back our middle class, I'll "patriotically" pay the higher rate!
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:07 PM
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4. I posted about this yesterday or the day before
I assumed it was going around the circles, I guess it is.

It's an opinion piece by a conservative. you could find an opinion piece by a liberal and send that back to them.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:06 PM
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3. since rupert murdoch took over the wsj it's only use is when we are out of toilet paper
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 03:06 PM by spanone
seeya nwmhtt
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:10 PM
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5. Send this to them
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DrTeeth Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:17 PM
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7. lol
i like how you guys assume i'm debating someone on this. you assumed right!
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:31 PM
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8. Ok
What are you trying to acheive???? :shrug:
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:14 PM
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6. Easily debunked:
Economic illiteracy from the WSJ
It’s no secret that the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page is in the tank for Republicans, and often makes factually dubious claims and arguments in arguing for its position. But it’s not often that it says something so silly that it actually makes me laugh out loud — that happened today, though.

The editorial, which is on Barack Obama’s tax plans, begins this way:

"One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.

It’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all?"

John McCain has also made this claim. It is, frankly, ridiculous, a little like a child’s attempt at a zinger — they think they’ve got you, that this point is devastating and proves that Obama is a liar. Except it’s, in this context, a meaningless statistic. It’s totally irrelevant.

Why? Two words: Payroll taxes.

Notice the qualifier the WSJ used in that last sentence? Not “more than a third of all Americans already pay no taxes at all,” but more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all.”

But Obama’s plan just doesn’t deal with income taxes, as the author or authors of that editorial know perfectly well. And with good reason — as William G. Gale and Jeffrey Rohaly of the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center pointed out in 2003, most Americans pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes:

"In 2003, workers and employers each owe 6.2 percent Social Security tax on the first $87,000 of a worker’s earnings, and a 1.45 percent Medicare tax on all wages. Although the statutory obligation to pay payroll taxes is split between the worker and the employer, most economists believe that workers bear most or all of the economic burden.

About 74 percent of filers owe more payroll taxes (including the employer portion) than individual income taxes, including 85 percent of those with income below $40,000. Among returns with wage earnings, 83 percent have higher payroll taxes than income taxes, including 97 percent of those with AGI below $40,000 and 90 percent of those with income below $100,000. If only half of employer payroll taxes are attributed to workers, 48 percent of filers and 53 percent of wage earners pay more in payroll taxes than income taxes, including 76 percent of wage earners with income below $40,000."

Sometimes I’m willing to give people credit and assume that they don’t know about the falsity of claims like this. But really — this editorial was written by people who work for the Wall Street Journal. Presumably they know about the details of tax policy. (If not, well, that’s even more embarrassing.) So in this case I just wonder: Does the paper think its readers, who presumably also know a little something about tax policy, won’t pick up on this?

Naturally, this claim is being gleefully — and uncritically — repeated throughout the right blogosphere today.

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/
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