Kerry's Campaign Is Using "Money Ball" Tactics

[Yavin4]

It just hit me. Baseball fans, you're no doubt familiar with the "Money Ball" management style of Billy Beane of the Oakland A's. It's just struck me that Kerry's campaign is being run like "Money Ball". For those of you unfamiliar with "Money Ball", it's the nouveau style of being a general manager for a baseball team whereby you judge talent based on a statistical analysis of their abilities instead of relying on experienced scouting of players. Also, you even use computer simulations to manage games. IOW, things are done based on data modeling instead of doing things based on a feel of the game.

Here's a description:
Billy Beane, general manager of MLB's Oakland A's and protagonist of Michael Lewis's Moneyball, had a problem: how to win in the Major Leagues with a budget that's smaller than that of nearly every other team. Conventional wisdom long held that big name, highly athletic hitters and young pitchers with rocket arms were the ticket to success. But Beane and his staff, buoyed by massive amounts of carefully interpreted statistical data, believed that wins could be had by more affordable methods such as hitters with high on-base percentage and pitchers who get lots of ground outs. Given this information and a tight budget, Beane defied tradition and his own scouting department to build winning teams of young affordable players and inexpensive castoff veterans.



Kerry's campaign is being run like Money Ball.

[sangh0]

1. He's spending his time on issues that will get him votes

and not what makes the infiltrators happy. :-)

[rockymountaindem]

2. Can I get some love for Brian Epstein?

BoSox GM. He uses the same system and last year got them to the playoffs for the first time in 1999.

[Yavin4]

4. The Problem With Money Ball Is

that it hasn't produced a champion yet. Also, Epstein doesn't practice Money Ball completely. He has big sluggers in Manny and Ortiz and pitchers with strong arms in Pedro and Schilling.

[dennis4868]

8. true but.....

the A's have dominated their division for many years now with a small budget....very impressive.....in the playoffs they seem to always run into the Yankees and/or Red Sox who have these astronomical budgets.....

[JohnDoe1]

17. Theo Epstein, not Brian

[dennis4868]

3. not to be disrespectfull.....

but I read Moneyball and do not understand the connection to Kerry's campaign....maybe it is late and I am tired as hell and that is why I have no clue what you mean.

[Yavin4]

5. Here's The Connection

The Kerry campaign, like Money Ball, uses data modeling and stats to make their decisions, not an instinct for campaigning. Every decision has to be run through some sort of an analysis.

[dennis4868]

6. by the time they....

make a decision through analysis it could be November 15, 2005! Baseball is a long season and you can make many mistakes and still win....hell, the best team in baseball will lose around 60 games.....Kerry cant have bad days now anfd cannot lose....nice try though....Moneyball is a great book and it works fairly well for the A's....even though it has not gotten them any rings to date.

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[dennis4868]

9. I said Kerry....

cannot have bad days....I never said he had bad days....sheeesh....what is it about tonight?

[sangh0]

10. Did you forget what you said earlier today?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=740190#740312

" I think if you saw your house burning down..... you would be positive....we have to face reality that we are behind....we are getting kicked in the ass right now by a bunch of liars and media whores!"

I guess having you house burn down and getting you're ass kicked ISN'T a bad day. My bad

[dennis4868]

13. listen.....

all I meant was that Kerry has been taking unfair hits that are ALL LIES....and after listening to Stan Greenberg on the radio who I completely trust I am somewhat concerned. Greenbersg is a long time Democratic pollster and worked for Clintom for almost 10 years and now has his own firm and aprtners with James Carville....he said that the tide is turning definitely towards Bush.....so the reality is that Kerry has been taking so hits and needs to fight back or else....that's all I meant!

[sangh0]

14. I see, "unfair hits" that make you "concerned" are Good days

and "the tide is turning definitely towards Bush" means "Kerry hasn't had any bad days"

I believe that

[dennis4868]

11. by the way....

i can assure you I have never been accused of spinning for the GOP....hahaha....by the way, can we all just get along? We take enough shit from the repubs.....think we should all stop knocking eachother at every moment.

Peace!

[AuntPatsy]

12. Boy your just getting it tonight arent you ;-)

Be nice guys..

[dennis4868]

15. yep....

it all started when I said that perhaps the Time poll is accurate and that maybe the lies about Kerry are catching up to our candidate....well, after I said that....I started taking alot of hits....that's okay....i am a big boy...I can handle myself. I also respect other peoples' opinion.

[sangh0]

18. You are saying untrue things about what you said

it all started when I said that perhaps the Time poll is accurate

No, you didn't say it MIGHT BE accurate. You said "Time is accurate"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=740190#740287

[sangh0]

19. And you didn't say "it might be" catching up to Kerry

You said they "definitely" are

That one is in this thread too

[AuntPatsy]

20. I don;'t know, it seems people are scared thats all, you really

cant blame them and yet, to this forum from me, Im scared too and I too have been attacked and though I brushed it off, it did hit when I had had enough hits to last me a while which is why I have come here after I read the rules...

I don't agree with polls but that is me, they are never accurate and I for one have never been polled and no very few that have which is why I discount them as meaning anything...

I personaly cannot understand why people get upset with them? I dont hear many at all spouting Bush is great down here in Texas, barely any at all and I have said once and its true, Im in oil and around it...

My husband is for Bush but only for the oil, one of his friends when alone with me while my husband went out for a minute, told me he hated Bush lol, in private, and was voting for Kerry...

Kerry is going to win, even if some pretend they are voting for Bush, they are not, he is not the first that I have heard do this about face when talking to me knowing I support Kerry...

[dennis4868]

22. Many here are....

worried and that is expected....the stakes are so very high.....and perhaps I am guilty of worrying over every single poll that comes out....I just have a hard time understanding why there are so many people supporting Bush when the facts are clear that this guy is a criminal....how do people who supprt Bush explain the awful situation in Iraq, outing Valerie Plame, ignoring threats before 911, lieing about the air quality right after 911 in NYC, etc....how do they live with themselves?

[sangh0]

24. You said that the poll was accurate in another thread

but in this thread, you said you never said the poll was accurate.

In another thread you said Kerry was getting his ass kicked. In this thread, you claim you never said Kerry had any bad days.

[dennis4868]

28. You dont give up.....

I like that....

i also said that after thinking about it some I want to see some other polls to see how accurate the Time poll is.....are you saying that Kerry was not getting his ass kicked by the swift boat vets for lies......the media gave them all the attention they wanted and they were going unanswered by Kerry....do you not agree with that?

And yes, Kerry has not had any bad days in terms of strategy....that what the thread was about...strategy and analysis...Moneyball. I agreed with Kerry to ignore the swift boat vets for lies but thanks to the media they wont go away so Kerry needs to fight back!

By the way, if I said the Time poll was accurate, forgive me. I will wait to see what other polls have to say. I thought about it and decided to hold off passing judgment on it....lets see what other poll say in the next few days.

Does this satisfy you? I really hope so because I am tired as can be....

[AuntPatsy]

25. You echo my thoughts exactly but still, I don't want to give

in to those thoughts, it is honestly taking its toll and I have been trying to be very positive, then I watched The DailyShow that usualy gives me a lift, the show did, and yet right after there was another one, it made fun of both Kerry and Bush, I just think we have taken enough hits and I swear if Stewart knew how extremely upsetting this is for us who have been brow beaten for so long, I would hope he would have taken another rout on his comedy...

Those protesting in New York, remember them, they stood for a thousand times or maybe more their numbers on the street, our voice will get out, no matter if the media keeps trying to silence us..

We have to win this, we have to believe, and we have to stay postive even when the lies keep getting more air time then the truths...

[sangh0]

27. They are very good at that

but he would say the exact opposite if you had said the opposite.

He already has. Several times

[AuntPatsy]

30. My husband is a full Bush supporter, we don't discuss

politics anylonger because Im much louder but still, Im way tired of fighting even in my own home but I wont give up you know, NOT until Bush is gone, I honestly dont think I can handle it if he steals this election once again...

No more fear guys, take those that are putting Kerry down and turn it on em, get mad but with clarity, stay postive and demand we get our country back...

Thats Patrioism, having your voice count, not this bullshit coming from the pretenders supporters that anyone who dares to question this pathetic excuse for a standing president to be unpatriotic, they lost the true meaning..

Its up to us all here far and wide to teach em just what true American Values stand for, Freedom everyone....

And Bush wins, for those bush supporters reading this...

WE all lose INCLUDING YOU!

[dennis4868]

29. I missed TDS tongiht....

what did Stewart have to say?

[AuntPatsy]

32. Oh his regular show was good as always, using comedy

by actually talking truths, but he had a special right on after about just the two contenders, it was not good for either, and I am so tired of people putting Kerry down, no one talks about him taking down those corrupt bankers with ties to terrorists groups, how he took years working on that investigation and yet, it gets a bump on forums every now and then and NO air time from the media..

its big news and says quite a lot about Kerry, and yet what do they show? Nothing but bs about Nam, my uncle a democrat from pre 9/11 and an ex vet sees Faux as gospel, I havent even called him though he has written me, he just had a triple by pass and im that upset and upset at myself, I need to call him and yet this election is getting to me way too much to ignore how serious it honestly is, he made a home page saying lies about Kerry and it is lies because already it has been proven to be..

What can you do? He is college educated, political active, smart as a whip but then his sister dies, my mother unexpectedly, then his other brother soon after, then his mother my grandmother both last year, he got into religion so sees Bush as some kind of God too,

I don't get it Dennis, Ive known him my whole life, but sometimes fear is quite the ingredient for a radical change in a person...

On here, lets try to remain postive okay? please...

[dennis4868]

33. Yep....

many people stopped thinking rationally after 911....for some insane reason because of 911 we have to vote for Bush or else we are all going to die....that what the repub convention was all about, right?

Rove is smart....Hitler used fear to influence people and Bush is doing the very samr thing....it is disgusting to say the least...but people like your uncle and many others fall for it.

By the way, I am really sorry to hear about all the losses in your family....that is way too much for anyone to have to take....bless you and your family. Hang in there my friend :-)

[AuntPatsy]

34. ;-) Thank you for that last line, I think I needed that, it's tough

staying positive sometimes, and your right about the Hitler like regime that this administration is proving to be. And sane intelligent history knowledgeable Americans are falling for these fear tactics...

I said it yesterday and I will once more, sometimes I feel we are in the twilight zone lately....

What happened to reality? Helpppppp ;-) okay I feel better...

[AuntPatsy]

35. I just had a thought...a bit inane maybe, but take into

consideration this irrational fear of dying...and I personaly believe it to be irrational. Having had so many pass away lately, I have no fear of dying at all, none whatsoever, we live, we die, and I refuse to live what time I have left in that tommorow I might die...

I love life dont get me wrong;-) But no fear at all there, is it that simple? Are these blind loyalists to the present regime just plain scared to die enough to give up all their liberties and swear allegiance to a president who has not fufilled one promise he has made to us other than to his buddies at Halliburton in hope he is the only one able to prevent such?

[sangh0]

23. Some people are scared because they don't know better

Dennis has been shown the evidence several times today, and he not only has repeatedly ignored it, he is now denying he said things he definitely did say, as the links I posted show.

In this thread he says he never said the Time poll was accurate. One of the links I posted has him saying "Time is accurate"

[sangh0]

16. Can you stop saying one thing AND the opposite?

You say Kerry is losing but Kerry hasn't had any bad days.

[dennis4868]

21. "Can you stop saying one thing AND the opposite?"

isn't that what Bush keeps saying to Kerry?

I trust Stan Greenberg when it comes to polling....he has no reason to make shit up....he said the tide is turning. I pray to God that Kerry continues to come out swinging....he did it in Mass. and everyone says he is a great Closer!

I cannot say that Kerry has run a bad campaign because I was one of those people saying that Kerry should stay positive....he has run a good campaign for the most part. Now it is time to fight back and he seems to be doing that now....good for him. I am a proud volunteer for Kerry and loom forward to working for him when I take leave at the end of this month.

With regards to the Time poll.....that did worry me some when it first came out today....but after thining about it a little while I agree with many posters here that we have to wait till many other polls come out to see just how accurate it is....okay....i flip flopped on this issue....sue me....i am not like Bush who is decisive and sure of himself...haha!

I am not hear to fight with you....lets fight Bush the LIAR!

Have a good night.

Out!

[sangh0]

26. You trust Greenberg? You just said you're not sure he's right

I cannot say that Kerry has run a bad campaign

But you can say Kerry is getting his ass kicked. I guess that's your idea of a good campaign

I was one of those people saying that Kerry should stay positive

And in another thread, you said he should attack

Now it is time to fight back

It was yesterday that you said Kerry should stay positive. Yesterday, you also started a thread saying NOW is the time for Kerry to attack. Now, it's TODAY is the time to attack

With regards to the Time poll.....that did worry me some when it first came out today

No, you said it was accurate. Then you said it MIGHT BE accurate. Now, it's "I don't think it's accurate"

I am not hear to fight with you....lets fight Bush the LIAR!

I don't like ANY liars

[dennis4868]

31. Dude...I was talking of the Time poll....

I will wait to see how accurate it is...and yes I trust Greenberg....i just dont think the tide has turned as much as Time says it has....