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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 07:55 AM
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Forget Bradley effect, this election it's the Bandwagon effect
GOP shills continue talking about the Bradley Effect even though the primaries showed little evidence of it.
What I haven't heard many pundits or pollsters discuss is the Bandwagon effect and in my opinion that's going to be the big story the morning after the election.
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The largest impact in the experiment, however, occur among Republicans. When the Democrat is expected to win, independent Republican leaners and weak Republicans are more likely to vote for the Democratic candidate. Moreover, given the expectations that the Democratic candidate will win, even strong Republicans are almost as likely to vote for the Democratic candidate as the Republican.
Goidel & Shields
The Vanishing Marginals, the Bandwagon & the Mass Media
The journal of Politics Vol 56, No 3,p 808-


During the primaries many derided the popularity of the Obama campaign as celebrity driven or even some sort of cult. That is a negative way to view the bandwagon effect but the simple truth is it's human nature for people to want to be on the winning side. With the polls currently showing Obama with a commanding lead in the polls, and even readers at NRO convinced Obama has already won it isn't unreasonable to see states like Georgia, Montana and Texas colored Blue on election night.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 07:57 AM
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1. I call it the Yeldarb Effect.
or the "reverse bradley"
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 07:58 AM
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2. great
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:02 AM
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4. different than reverse Bradley
I'd say the Yeldarb effect would explain the increased voter turn-out for AA - and that helps Obama as well
But bandwagon effect is basically just most people deciding to root for the winning team.

Whether it's Bandwagon or Yeldarb or a combination, I'm happy to call it a LANDSLIDE.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:42 AM
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12. Thing is, if there's a pre-existing phenomena and term to use it seems wise to stick to it.
Best to have facts and statistics on our side.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:00 AM
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3. So should we just ignore race? It seems that talking about it will help to
alleviate the problem.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:05 AM
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5. Yeah, in the next thirty days we're going to work the talking cure on race
Good idea.

Who do you want to win this election?
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:10 AM
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6. No problem talking about race
nor acknowledging that it will be the main factor for some people not supporting Obama.

But Obama is still going to win this election.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:15 AM
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8. I think you are right. I just think that we have an opportunity here.
We can discuss how racism lurks under the surface for a lot of people.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:36 AM
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10. I have a feeling during the next 8 years
we'll have plenty of opportunity to discuss racism.

There are some small-minded people in this country. If Obama was running against the ghost of Ted Bundy they still wouldn't vote for Obama.
I'd even go so far as to say most Americans hold some prejudices that might not be conscientiously aware of but there are always a variety of factors that go into the choices we make. The original point is that the fact that Obama is leading in the polls will be a bigger factor in the final vote tally than his race.

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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:41 AM
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11. It's the 100 monkey effect.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:42 AM
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13. Can we keep this kicked? Maybe Rachel or Keith can seize upon it.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:47 AM
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14. I'm glad you wrote this.. I have wondered the same thing I
know a lot of people who I think just like being on the winning side. I even wondered if some people vote republican just because they have been winning the last 8 years.. It makes them feel like they are on the winning team. So I wondered if Obama goes into election day with a huge lead if a lot of people would just go ahead and vote for him since he is likely to win anyway
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 10:52 AM
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16. It's good to know there's already an actual term/observed effect that applies.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 11:15 AM
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19. People DO decide their votes this way. The Republicans are now seen as losers.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 08:51 AM
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15. I don't mind the kick
My gut feeling was 'following the crowd' would have some effect on election day but after some reading I was amazed at how big a part it seems to play.

At the very least we can expect more than half of the remaining undecided to break for Obama on election day and that alone is enough to put some more states in the blue column. When a study says even strong Republicans are almost as likely to vote for the Democratic candidate as for Republican when the Democratic candidate is going to win - That's just gravy.
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 11:11 AM
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17. That's also why it's important to DU polls whenever possible, to reinforce the idea that Obama will
win. I think you're right, people like to be on the winning side. I was initially going to vote Hillary in the primary, but when Obama began to win I took another look at him and voted for him instead of Hillary. Maybe I was just being a sheep and wanted to be with the winner.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 11:13 AM
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18. I'm seeing it here in North Carolina. People are embarrassed to admit they support McCain-Palin.
Obama supporters are becoming more and more vocal. The tide is shifting. It may not shift enough in NC this time, but if the change is so noticeable here, it has to be happening across the U.S.

People are fed up. They've decided to vote for the smart guy this time. That one.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 11:54 AM
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20. I still run into people bad mouthing Obama
but I honestly haven't heard anyone praising McCain.
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abburdlen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-08-08 04:49 PM
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21. evening self-kick
:)
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