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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:19 AM
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Is McCain throwing the election?
I just don't find it plausible that a party with such a powerful and dirty electoral machine can pull so many jackass stunts and walk into so many traps after holding power for as long as it has.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:21 AM
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1. Maybe they want the Dems to take the blame for the economy tanking.
What a surprise to them when we actually turn it around.

If they want to throw it, more power to em.
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BrainStorm Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:26 AM
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9. That is my fear as well.
That, and that they want a BLACK man to blame for the economy tanking.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:55 AM
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21. I have to agree with that
Whomever the president is in 2009 - they are going to take alot of shit for this economy. Mainly because the American Public tends to have a very short attention span when it comes to who is to blame. Republicans would rather put this all in the democrats hands and then hopefully use that to their advantage in 2010 and 2012 to reclaim DC.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:21 AM
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2. HUBRIS is an addictive and destructive drug.
its heady fumes blind you to its own destructive effects.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:23 AM
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3. Oh, McCain wants to win
It's not that he has a clue about what to do about any of our problems other than start a couple more wars, it's all about his ambition. He will do anything to win, including making shit up.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets on the phone with Bush in a week or tow begging him to start a war with someone just so he can throwout his national security cred. I put nothing past him. Nothing.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:38 AM
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14. I agree about your McCain comment. I think this has been a dream of his for a long, long time.
And this is his last chance.

I don't know if Bushco will do something desperate, like a war or an attack on US soil, or if they will just walk away. They've looted the Tresurey & shredded the Consitiution - that's what they wanted. On the other hand, Cheney didn't amass so much power in the executive so he could hand it over - to a dem or another repub. I think Cheney is a greedy fuck, but I think power is what really gets him off.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:40 AM
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15. Oh, they're working on that. We have VICTORY in Afghanistan.
Did ya see? The Taliban is in separate talks with Saudi Arabia, and has cut ties with AQ.

Which is pretty much where they were SEVEN FUCKING YEARS AGO just before we invaded. The Taliban had denounced the WTC attacks, and were looking to kick Bin Laden back to Sudan, but that didn't fit the agenda. If we actually caught Bin Laden we'd have no reason to invade Iraq.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:23 AM
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4. I think there are a significant number of Rush Limpball 'ass kissing'
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 10:24 AM by Lint Head
Re-Pubic-Rats that don't want McNutjob to win. They think Obama will be an abject failure. I personally think there will be a spectacular turnaround that will make history and Obama will win a second term virtually unopposed.
:dem:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:24 AM
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5. I've wondered that too, but I don't think he is.
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 10:26 AM by deutsey
I think he's just an erratic person who likes to keep people off balance with his stunts. It's a way for him to stay in control. I know people like that...used to date someone like that, in fact. McCain's "strategy" is just not working now with the shitstorm we're all enduring after 8 years of Bush.

I also think that the more desparate McCain becomes the crazier his campaign will be. So buckle up. It's probably going to be a bumpy October.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:32 AM
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13. I think McCain thinks he looks like he did fifty years ago.
Whenever I see that picture of him standing next to a plane, I think it shows a real smart-assed young man who was and still is a real a-hole. But back then he had daddy to back him up with his entitlement mentality.

Then he aquired Cindy's money and more entitlement mentality along with his smart-ass personality.

Well now he's very old and doddery and he doesn't have the youth to conceall his ugliness.

And challenging him is a young man, who rose to the top without family ties or wealth.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:54 AM
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19. Brilliant!
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:03 PM
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23. Thank you.
You have no idea how badly I needed that today!
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:25 AM
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6. McCain is indeed trying to win
However, he is exceptionally bad at it. If I was prone to conspiracy theories, I would think that Karl Rove has been deliberately giving McCain bad advice. Rove would be running a better campaign than this.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:25 AM
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7. IT'S A ROVIAN TRAP!!!!
Well, somebody had to scream it.

:shrug:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:25 AM
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8. The Repos aren't untited. It's every man for him self.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:27 AM
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10. He's a maverick (as someone else on here said, code word for a-hole)
The campaign will be run the way he wants it run, dammit. He calls all the shots and NOBODY talks back.

It's great isn't it? He's his own worst enemy!
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:28 AM
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11. I think it's just that he and his campaign suck ass.
Big time. They just SUCK. And there hasn't been a big scary event in seven years to scare people into voting republican. In fact, the economy is doing the OPPOSITE of that.

So yeah, they suck. He sucks. His campaign sucks. And the last eight years have sucked.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:29 AM
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12. I don't think so. I think the Repub machinery has left him to his own devices and he's
pretty much an idiot, a rather "underwhelming" fellow who has slid through life on the backs of others.
A non-ambitious person with high ambitions.....for some reason it's worked for him.

I don't think he's purposely throwing it, I think this is probably the hardest the guy has worked for anything in his life - he just sucks, and the party has left him hanging out to dry. THEY'RE most likely throwing this one, McCain wants it so bad he'll do anything.....
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:42 AM
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16. Of course not. If he was trying to lose, he'd have done it with some dignity. n/t
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JohnMcCant2008 Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:48 AM
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17. McCain's ego wants to win. Period. I do believe the rethugs are throwing it now though.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:54 AM
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18. No, but he's seeing it slip away.
Slipping through his old gnarly fingers, his dream of a lifetime. All because he's a monstrous asshole.

Bake
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:54 AM
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20. no, he's not. it's the rethug party that is collapsing
they have a serious shortage of grass roots. They've had the MSM running interference so long, they didn't feel they needed things like popular positions on issues.

The RW fundies who control the entire party apparatus have no clue how to connect with anyone, and only care about strict litmus tests for their candidates. This ends up affecting everything - the organizations they build can only go with fundy backing, their rank and file is only those who hold to these views (others not welcome), and there is no healthy party debate about what's best. At the same time those fundies have no real national electoral strength - without the cover of the Bush Family Empire there is no there there.

This is the result. A candidate they don't like because there wasn't anyone else, no policies that actually connect with anyone not blissed out on Jesus, guns, and hating gays, and pathetic attempts at manufactured star power to shift the dialog back to the MSM. Adds up to epic failing.

Without the MSM carrying their water and shielding them from exposure they would have moderated a long time ago, and been the stronger for it. Instead dead rot has set in. They don't want to moderate, and they've trained all their constituents to resist moderation at all costs. It's too late for them now, they have no path from the wilderness - the fundies are not going to give up what they have gained, nor are they going to compromise with reality.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 10:57 AM
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22. Outstanding!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:06 PM
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24. Nah. He's just every bit the leader we give him credit for.
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 06:13 PM
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25. I don't think it's deliberate
To quote McCain himself when he was running against Bush in 2000, "He wants to win in the worst possible way." It's become evident that McCain sees his final opportunity to become president slipping away, so he will say or do anything to stop that from happening. He's gotten so deperate that he's randomly throwing darts, hoping that one of them will hit.
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