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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:01 PM
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Media Doing a Pretty Good Job of Calling Bullshit on McCrypt-Phalin's Disgusting Obama-Ayers Smear
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 06:20 PM by jefferson_dem
Palin's comments came as the McCain campaign finds itself trailing in national and key battleground state polls, and after major newspapers reported that the McCain camp plans a major offensive on Obama's character and past associations.

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But as the New York Times reported today, Obama was never "palling around" with Ayers. "A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/04/1492729.aspx


Palin cited an article in Saturday's New York Times about Obama's relationship with Ayers, now 63. But that article concluded that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.' "

Several other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The National Review, have debunked the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/


Palin's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol, during the Vietnam War era. Obama, who was a child when the group was active, has denounced Ayers' radical views and activities.

While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, it's a stretch of any reading of the public record to say the pair ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

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Summing up its findings, the Times wrote: "A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_el_pr/palin_obama


Obama, who was a child at the time, has in more recent years served on boards with Ayers, an education reformer now. And, while opponents have tried to suggest that Obama's association with the one-time radical is a problem, Obama and others have denounced the past activities of Ayers while praising his recent work.

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Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and Obama live in Chicago's Hyde Park and served together on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based charity. Obama left the board in December 2002. Obama also served as the first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group which Ayers founded.

The New York Times today reported on their relationship: ""A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8."'

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/palin_obamas_terrorist_pallin.html


Ms. Palin’s line of attack also comes on the heels (forgive us for that and we’ll get back to those spikes in a minute) of reports indicating that the McCain campaign may begin lobbing more negative critiques against the Democratic presidential nominee in the final month of this election cycle. Or as Ms. Palin put it today, a donor had suggested that she get tougher on her opponents: “And I turned to one of the staffers and said, ‘O.K. they’re serious!’ Jason the campaign staffer said, ‘O.K., let’s look at it this way, Sarah, the gloves are off, the heels are on, let’s get to work!’ ”

Would those be her blood-red heels? Just joking.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/palin-obama-is-palling-around-with-terrorists/


The Times article she mentioned concluded that Obama and Ayers did not appear to be close.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/04/palin-accuses-obama-palling-terrorists/


While it is known that Obama and Ayers live in the same Chicago neighborhood, served on a charity board together and had a fleeting political connection, it's a stretch of any reading of the public record to say the pair ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5954920



Palin's sharp jab is in step with recent Republican campaign statements that the McCain camp plans to launch a fierce assault on Obama with the presidential election only 30 days away.

The Obama campaign described the attack as "desperate and false."

"Governor Palin's comments, while offensive, are not surprising, given the McCain campaign's statement this morning that they would be launching Swiftboat-like attacks in hopes of deflecting attention from the nation's economic ills," said Obama-Biden spokesman Hari Sevugan.

"What's clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUST_Cd-teed3bNVc_UK6ppGx6iw


In fact, both a Washington Post article in April and today's New York Times piece revealed Obama and Ayers to have had only a casual association: the former radical hosted a coffee for Obama's first bid for state Senate, they served together on an educational charity board and both live in Chicago's Hyde Park.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/04/palin_turns_to_nyt_citing_arti.html


The move comes amid growing panic in the McCain campaign and signs that Mr McCain’s closest aides do not believe he can win the race for the White House in a “fair fight”.

The Sunday Telegraph knows of at least three occasions in the past month when members of his inner circle have said they fear he is doomed. Voters have flocked to Mr Obama in the economic crisis, and Mr McCain has lost the lead in several key swing states that he must win if he is to have any chance of victory in November.

A former McCain strategist, familiar with the senator’s tactical discussions, told The Sunday Telegraph he would pursue the “nuclear option”, attacking Mr Obama personally in the campaign’s last four weeks.

He said: “We were doing well when this election was all about Obama. The last two weeks have been more about John and we need to shift the focus back. There are real questions for Obama to answer. Also, it’s the only way we win. It’s the nuclear option but votes are firming up. It’s now or never.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3137197/Sarah-Palin-Barack-Obama-palling-around-with-terrorists.html


But an investigation by the Times indicated that while Obama has purposely minimized his dealings with Ayers, now a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, the men do not appear to have been close. Obama also has never expressed sympathy for the agenda of the Weathermen, who perpetrated a bombing campaign that killed a police officer, the newspaper reported.

Obama's contacts with Ayers mostly came in the latter's capacity as an activist for education reform in Chicago. Obama served on several of the same Chicago boards and organizations as Ayers, and traveled in the same political and social circles. But Obama never developed any personal ties with Ayers, the newspaper reported.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/10/04/Report_Obama_ex-radical_Ayers_not_close/UPI-79661223146295/
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:05 PM
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1. Good, because it is utter bullshit.
And it's not like Palin came up with a fucking bombshell. I seem to remember Obama taking this issue straight on in an ambush debate after Sean Fucking Hannity egged on Stephanapapapapooless to bring it up. It was a non-issue from the start and this kind of bullshit will backfire on that arch-conservative bitch.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:09 PM
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2. Thanks - I was wondering about what would happen - Disgusting! New Palin talking parrot point.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:09 PM
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3. Yup. Five minutes ago even FOX was playing it down. n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:16 PM
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6. What the hell's wrong with Fox? Since when
has the falsity of an anti-Democrat story ever gotten in the way of their trumpeting it?
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:19 PM
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9. Fox wants to see more war and destruction, not a broken economy.
Quite the dilemma for them. :rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:23 PM
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11. FOX News sees the writing on the wall and don't want to be alienated from the next POTUS.
So get on Obama's good side.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:14 PM
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4. Excellent and the Times article was very good
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:26 PM
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12. Thanks! I was saying I thought NYT has been pretty darn good journalism lately!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:14 PM
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5. Just the latest desperate salvo that will boomerang on the unhinged McCain campaign
Only the most rabid freeper could conclude any sort of relationship worth mentioning between these two, and that doesn't even get to the root of the issue, that Ayers was associated with the Weathermen when Obama was a small child.

It's possibly the most asinine smear in the modern history of campaigning. Even the sensible Freepers know that.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:18 PM
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8. I'm gonna challenge you on something you said. Prove to me
there is such a thing as a sensible Freeper.

Betcha five moose skins ya can't do it.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:22 PM
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10. I'm generous, I admit
I think some of them are ideologues, but with a sense of connection to reality. Needless to say, the vast majority are drooling partisans who will insist on the birth certificate nonsense well into Obama's second term.

;-)
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:18 PM
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7. When the media starts comparing Palin to Agnew and Cheney...
her political career will be finished.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:32 PM
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13. Rec'd. "Sharp jab" equal Fucking LIE..
which as a sociopath..palin has no problem.
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:50 PM
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14. I think
I think the media is finally understanding that this is more than just punditry and advertising dollars. The media in my opinion is beginning to become really concerned about the possibility of McSame and Palin and the consequences of Palin eventually assuming presidential powers.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:46 PM
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15. The New York Times article
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 07:47 PM by fujiyama
is quite informative and seems like they investigated pretty well. The conclusion is that there seems to be little relationship between the two.

Obama and Ayers were both on the Annenberg education challenge together, an school reform board. And I guess when Obama first ran for the state senate, the outgoing senator had a get together at his house. Oh, and the guy lives a few blocks from the Obamas.

The relationship is so tenuous and the smear is nutty.

And the guy is now a professor and is fairly well respected in Chicago, at least with regards to education reform. That's the impression I get reading the article.

Palin is such an idiot. I'm sure we can find some real nut jobs in her past, especially in the AIP. As for McCain, we already know about Keating. Maybe Obama and the 527s have something in the works.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:55 PM
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16. I'll bet Ayers knows
a few Republicans too. Guilt by association would make them guilty, too.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge is funded by the Annenberg FOundation who's founder, Walter Annenberg was no Democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annenberg_Foundation
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:22 PM
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17. McCain associated with known Viet Cong for 5 years. Someone should investigate.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:24 PM
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18. great post jefferson_dem
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:28 PM
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21. ...
:thumbsup:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:27 PM
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19. The media can SMELL desperation a MILE away. They are human...
the majority of them cannot stomach the idea of Palin as president. It should scare the holy shit out of any decent person.
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VoodooGuru Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:27 PM
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20. That canard is now a dead duck.
Only the nutjobs who still think Obama's a Muslim who was trained in a madrassa will think it matters.

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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:29 PM
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22. Great Post!
Let's keep the pressure up on the MSM - send emails and make phone calls - insist they tell the truth about this absurd smear. Remind them their credibility is at stake too.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-08 01:33 AM
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23. I think that Corporate America realizes that America needs to regain credibility
and Confidence in order to prosper at this point. They understand that their livelyhood is at stake unless the United States can turn the page. The world wants President Obama, and if they don't get him, China just might swallow America whole.

GE, Disney, Time-Warner, and Viacom may understand that their very own existence is dependent on having a smart President in office at this time....for their own survival.
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