MCCAIN TO USE REV. RIGHT AND BILL AYERS IN THE DEBATE tues

[trailer5533]

i hope obama is ready 2 for round of this last time hillary and abc tagged team this







http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738_pf.html

[1corona4u]

1. So, does Obama go to the Keating 5 well?

I hope so.

[maddezmom]

5. and Rev Muthee

the Witch Dr?

[Howardx]

34. and hagee

the apocalypseist

[GoesTo11]

37. He will when McCain least expects it

Keating will be a haymaker punch. When McCain leaves himself most open to it, he will get floored. If McCain doesn't leave the opening, Obama doesn't have to take the swing until he wants to.

[endthewar]

51. Obama is a great political counterpuncher

And no doubt he and his staff have worked out how to respond to these attacks. The Keating 5 link is even more devastating because it can be used to link McCain to the economy.

[rocktivity]

2. Then Obama should use the two clergymen linked to McCain

Of course, this story could just be a plant.

:headbang:
rocknation

[WeDidIt]

3. That'll go over like a lead balloon

after he castigated the North Carolina GOP for using Wright.

[Vote2008]

4. I am sure Obama has never rehearsed answers on those questions! :-)

[backscatter712]

6. Then Obama should bring up Hagee, Parsley and Muthee...

And the audience thinks Obama has crazy preacher problems...

[QC]

7. Then it's time to bring up Charlie Keating. n/t

[Essene]

45. and Phil Gramm, Rick Davis, etc

[rocktivity]

8. LOL!

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

If Hillary couldn't do that, what makes them think that they can? And are they aware that McCain has some ethical scars of his own?

:rofl:
rocknation

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

9. Obama shouldn't go there...

At least not THAT there...

His response should be something on the order of, "Now that you've got that out of your system, Senator McCain, would you mind explaining to this audience how many jobs that accusation is going to create? How many people are going to get health care from you gutter politics? Is it going to bring our troops home from Iraq any sooner?"

"We've got a choice in this election. We can listen to the sleazy politics of personal destruction, or we can start thinking seriously about this nation's future. Senator McCain, the dishonorable campaign that you've been waging is part of our political past. This time, in this election, I'm going to talk about our future."

Just my humble opinion

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

16. Exactamondo... BS isn't working this year.

McDouche is quickly running out of options...

[Tallison]

21. Great populist rejoinder n/t

[iceman66]

22. That would be a GREAT way for Obama to respond in a debate

but at the same time I'm hoping that some liberal 527 groups are readying some ads of their own.

McCain is hardly one to make an issue out of ethics!

[caledesi]

29. That's Obama! nt

[Jersey Devil]

46. Good stuff! Hey, you've got it down pat

That's exactly what I'd expect from him and so far he has not disappointed when it comes to saying the right things at the right times. I have confidence he will be able to handle anything they throw his way and turn the attacks into advantages for him.

[baldguy]

10. I hope he does.

People will see how desperate he is.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Did you read the article?

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. appears to be off limits after McCain condemned the North Carolina Republican Party in April for an ad that linked Obama to his former pastor, saying, "Unfortunately, all I can do is, in as visible a way as possible, disassociate myself from that kind of campaigning."

They essentially have nothing but desperate flailing around... Also from the article:

Being so aggressive has risks for McCain if it angers swing voters, who often say they are looking for candidates who offer a positive message about what they will do. That could be especially true this year, when frustration with Washington politics is acute and a desire for specifics on how to fix the economy and fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is strong.

Every attempt has failed and will continue to fail because the McPalin ticket refuses to address what they will do that is different from Shrub. Since they aren't going to do anything different, they need to try to distract from that fact.

[rocktivity]

14. Which is why I suggested upthread that this story might be a plant

whose mission is to re-introduce Wright to the mix. "Appears" to be off-limits? Between McCain's previous condemnation of the use of Wright and his own questionable clerical ties, it SHOULD be off limits...but then again, these are Rethuglicans we're talking about.

:headbang:
rocknation

[vaberella]

18. That's exactly what I thought this was. I call this thread BS. n/t

[Tallison]

23. Well, that's assuming McCain is consistent and rational

which we know isn't the case, especially as desperation sets in. I bet his closest advisors can't predict what he's up to anymore...

Yuck, cat's drooling on my keyboard...

[vaberella]

49. I know he's a liar. But he wouldn't tread on this when Rick Davis is fresh.

Rick Davis nonsense was less than two weeks ago and we have the Katie Couric video where she made Palin into a fool over that situation. You don't touch on those guys unless you want these guys to be messing with you.

[Tallison]

54. Yeah, I feel like McCain got away with that one

Palin's inscrutable defense of it aside.

[BumRushDaShow]

26. From my lurid dippings into freeperville last week

it does appear that this story has been planted out there, along with the Rezko nonsense. Similar campaign idiocy resulted in the Paris Hilton and "Moses" ads.

"Street-thug Schmidt" is one who runs his campaign strategy literally by following the advice given in internet discussions. :rofl:

The freepers keep hanging their thread-bare hats on Rezko, Wright, and Ayers - and more recently on Raines. But there's no "hook" there to hang the hat on... and even Fluffernutter had to drop it last night on Rachael because it was so ridiculous.

[ShadowLiberal]

30. ElectoralVote.com came to the same conclusion as the thread starter despite that line in the article

From the site.

"From now on, the entire focus will be on Barack Obama's associations with convicted Chicago developer Tony Rezko, 1960s radical William Ayers, and Obama's former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

The site also links to the exact same article.

To be fair though, lets be honest, right wing 527's are going to link Obama to Wright, even if McCain doesn't bring him up.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. But the question is, what is the REAL source of this because

http://www.americablog.com/">America blog, despite pointing to today's Washington Post, also quotes http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/1/165238/584/399/616938">Kos from last Wednesday, but apparently as a "see we told you so" justification for what appears today in the Post article. Kos originally wrote:

We're approaching blowout territory, so a couple of things to keep in mind:

1. The GOP is desperate. Expect the worst of the worst to start hitting here soon. Jeremiah Wright is overdue for his second act, as well as Ayers, the Muslim crap, and anything else desperate Republicans can fabricate. At this point, they literally have nothing to lose.

2. Many people will warn against "getting complacent". I like to approach this potential problem differently -- we have a chance to rip out the GOP's jugular. We can throw them an anvil. We can kick them while they're down. No matter the metaphor, the underlying meaning remains -- we can destroy the Republicans. Now's not the time to slack, it's the time to pick things up. We've got them in a near rout. Let's destroy them.

3. Looking beyond the presidential to congressional and state-level races, there are too many opportunities for the national (or state) party to help out. That's just the reality. No matter how much money they've raised, fact is there are way too many winnable races for them to help everyone. Races will be left by the wayside in the House, Senate, and downballot. So it's extra imperative that you guys help out financially and with your time when possible. We're going to lose some winnable races simply because there are too many of them. We can help minimize the number of those.

4. The big question everyone wants answered: Is this a lasting Obama bump, or is it more like the convention bounces -- temporary affairs in response to a high-profile external event (i.e. the finance crisis)? I suspect there's a little of both -- debate-fueled gains boosted by the bailout stuff. If I'm right, Obama's numbers should come back down a bit (barring any additional unexpected craziness, like a total Palin implosion tomorrow). And if they do, try not to panic, please?

But Markos made the statement based on the poll data, which he feels supports his assertion. But it makes me wonder if McLame's crew keyed in on THAT and are now spinning it to the Post as if it were truly their own intention, despite the fact that none of it stuck during the primaries and it is a failed strategy.

IMHO, this is a wingnut plant, essentially stolen from a speculative statement made on dailyKos last week, and then repackaged and "leaked" to the WP as if it originated from the truly McLame campaign, and is merely a distraction from the focus on their horrible polling week and poor debate performances. It serves several purposes including tossing some red meat to their clueless base (many of whom reside on freeperville and keep insisting that these "associations" be made) and the desperate media - which like this thread, sets tongues a-wagging.... It's no different from the announcement of a supposed "pullout" of resources from Michigan, where even Fluffenutter conceded that Palin wasn't changing her Michigan campaign schedule.

Sometimes I think that Dems are their own worst enemies.

[caledesi]

33. Well said! nt

[Arrowhead2k1]

12. Obama has already had to deal with these issues in an ambush debate and survived.

What the hell does McCain think he can do? :rofl:

[iceman66]

13. I really don't think this is a winning strategy for them

but I suppose this is all they have left!

A particularly telling line of the article:

"McCain's only positive commercial, called "Original Mavericks," has largely been taken off the air"

So they think they can win running an ENTIRELY negative campaign? I doubt it. They need to convince undecideds to want to vote FOR McCain, not just AGAINST Obama. That is unlikely as long as Obama continues to make it very clear that McCain intends to continue the policies of a very unpopular administration.

[Tallison]

15. I suspect that McLame is going to turn to the race card

in ways that will enable him to play the 'who, me?' one, as well. I think it's a huge miscalculation. Only those who would never vote for Obama anyway will go for it, and the current zeitgeist will punish such attacks. Let him go for it - this will just sully McCain's life's legacy.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. didn't McCain's pastor call the Catholic church "the great whore"

Hagee also said odd tings about nazis and Jews which were suspect.

[Arrowhead2k1]

19. Not really. Hagee isn't McCain's pastor, they're not even from the same demonination.

Hagee once endorsed McCain but I think he retracted it when McCain denounced him.

[Gman]

27. Hagee is in San Antonio, McCain is from Arizona

Hagee's not his pastor.

[No Elephants]

20. Obama has tried to stay away from slash and burn politics of personal destruction. And that makes

him vulnerable to personal attacks from less scrupulous people. if he fights back, their retort is "What change is Obama talking about?" If he does not fight back, he may appear weak and it may appear there is no mud to be slung at his opponents, only mud to be slung at him. I think most people know that McCain is behind, despite the best efforst of the media to keep that a secret. I hope they therefore will see attempts by McCain as desperation.

[Spider Jerusalem]

24. Gist of the article:

Republican operatives say they can't present a cogent case for why voters should vote FOR McCain, plan attempt to convince them to vote against Obama.

Considering that all of this played out months ago in the primaries, with no noticeable long-term effects on Obama's chances, why do they think it will work NOW? They're desperate, flailing, and doomed.

[rocktivity]

25. Sarah Palin...embodied the new approach...(a)t Thursday night's debate...

(She)...used every opportunity to question Obama's honesty and fitness to serve as president. At one point she said, "Barack Obama voted against funding troops after promising that he would not do so."
Yeah, BUT THAT WASN'T TRUE!!! Which the article should have mentioned!!!!

Palin kept up the attack yesterday, saying...on Fox News that Obama is "reckless...(I)n my world, (that) disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief."
Your running mate picked YOU, but Obama's MORE reckless???

I think I've figured out McCain's REAL strategy--surpress the Dem vote by making us die laughing!

:rofl:
rocknation

[DesertRat]

28. I've read your post three times

and still don't understand what you wrote. :shrug:

[Arkana]

31. Oh, gee, sir, I dunno if Obama is prepared

to answer questions that he's answered a FUCKING MILLION TIMES BEFORE.

[TexasObserver]

32. Yes, he will! And it will turn off the indies who are undecided.

John McCain might as well wear a sign that says "I'm crazy as a loon," and rename his bus the Strait Jacket Express. He's flaming out, because his answer is always to ratchet up his "crazy."

[BumRushDaShow]

42. Strait Jacket Express. Touche! n/t

[freespirit5]

35. How low will McCain stoop

to hell !

[SDJay]

36. IMHO, now is when the primary provides its greatest benefit.

Obama has already been completely vetted on this and dealt with it in reaction to the Clinton machine, which is as formidable a campaign force as anything any of us have seen in our lifetimes. I'm not throwing dirt on Hillary here by any means - in fact, my point is that the intense contest Obama had to go through with Hillary is now a huge benefit. This Wright stuff was tossed out at a time when people didn't know Obama nearly as well as they do now, and not only will people roll their eyes when McCrap pulls this out again because they've already seen it and know he's totally desperate, but they won't manage it nearly as well as the Clintons did. Basically, this is going to backfire big-time.

Going toe-to-toe with Hillary not only vetted Obama completely before the GE even started, it also provided Obama and his campaign with extreme battle testing that's paying off in a huge way now. I thought during the primary that regardless of whether it turned out to be Hillary or Obama on the ticket that the winner would proceed to the GE too bloodied. I was wrong - it gave Obama a stern test and a huge notch of experience against a campaign that was a million times more competent and powerful than McCrap's pathetic 'force.'

Thank you Hillary - your greatest gift to the Dems was providing that testing ground and vetting for Obama, and it's one that's going to pay off in an enormous way between now and election day.

[ej510]

38. You never know do underestimate racism.

[krawhitham]

39. Just tell the truth

McCain you are losing this election and this is all you have left, how sad and unpatriotic

[stillcool]

41. Fail.

[Essene]

43. obama needs to shrug off the nonsens and stay clean (until the end)

[Top Cat]

53. I agree

Rev. Wright and Ayers are old news. What's going on with the econmony and Iraq are bigger issuew that Barack has in his favor.

[Tim4319]

44. John McCain should have to be ready to address "The Keating Five"!

[Meshuga]

47. No he won't. He is stupid if he does because...

Guess what? From the same washington post article:

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. appears to be off limits after McCain condemned the North Carolina Republican Party in April for an ad that linked Obama to his former pastor, saying, "Unfortunately, all I can do is, in as visible a way as possible, disassociate myself from that kind of campaigning."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738_2.html?hpid=topnews&sub=AR&sid=ST2008100303878&s_pos=

[Quixote1818]

48. That will backfire and will look desperate. nt

[nomaco-10]

50. Sean Hannity is going to devote his entire show sunday night ....

to the so called connection between ayers, wright, rezco and Obama.

They are DESPERATE and they are determined to try to do damage.

This is why I HATE repukes. Obama came out and said he casually knew Ayers in Chicago and said, quote "I was eight years old when all that happened".

The repuke party claims to be all about religous family values and redemption, but once again they show themselve's as the party of intolerance, hatred and finger pointing.

Ayer's needs to give an interview on 60 Minutes and put this bullshit attack on Obama to rest asap.

Ayers reminds me of the morgan freeman character in shawshank redemption, when year after year he went to the parole board and accepted and expected to be denied. On his last visit, he said "Do what you want, I don't even care anymore, I am not that kid from decades ago, he doesn't exist. I don't even know him anymore".

[Vinca]

52. If he brings up Ayers it will be a great time for Obama to point

out how ridiculous the McCain campaign is since he was 6 years old during the heydey of the Weathermen. After reading the Rolling Stone article, I'd say McCain is walking on thin ice if he goes more negative. Any left leaning 527 could make a number of killer commercials based on that one article.

[mitchum]

55. Does this mean that Obama will bring up the anti-American propaganda films...

that McCain made "against his will"?