Why Minnesota is important.....

[woolldog]

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. No way is Minnesota going red.

Not a chance. CNN poll has Obama up by 11 in MN.

[StClone]

8. Minnesota is close Why?

I lived and worked in the twin Cities suburb of Arden Hills area for six years in the 90's. I thought MN was Democratic but listening to the newly wealthy of that place and time was instead a hatred of Humphrey and Democrats. The Iron Rangers (especially Radio Personally Steve Canon) were still strong Dems but it was over whelmed by the cities that were going Conservative fast.

[dflprincess]

27. Minneapolis and St. Paul have never gone conservative

they remain solidly blue (Normie Coleman hasn't even managed to carry St. Paul in either of his statewide races - not even his own precinct).

Many of the suburbs have been a problem, but in 2004 even Bloomington and Edina went to Kerry.

[kikiek]

2. Obama isn't campaigning here with TV ads though. It must be a lock right now.

McCain is running them.

[woolldog]

4. It's a close race now.

McCain is outspending Obama on ads in MN by 3:1.

[melody]

9. I'd suggest the Obama internal polls have a better grasp of things than we do

It obviously isn't close.

[woolldog]

10. Then why did they pull all their staffers out of North Dakota

and put them into MN?

[melody]

14. Obviously because they needed extra strength in Minnesota but thought they'd win it

Besides that was like one hundred years ago in terms of political campaigns. McCain has no hope now -- after the next three weeks, he'll be lucky to stay in the Senate.

[DCBob]

17. They are taking no chances. Better to just blow the old warmonger away.

No drama Obama!

[OmahaBlueDog]

51. NoDak and Montana went pretty red after Caribou Barbie came on board

The NRA types adore her.

But yes, MN is a must-win

[kikiek]

11. I have yet to see one of Obama's. And I'm not outstate. With my last donation I asked Obama to run

some. I don't think Mclame will take it, but I sure don't want to go red for the first time in decades for Mclame/Failin. There must be some internal polls or something. Or they figure we are not needed.

[Zynx]

29. I think Obama has access to better data than you do.

[BrklynLiberal]

That map does not look like any of the others I have seen on the polling sites.

check this one..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#data

and this one..
http://www.intrade.com//?request_operation=main&request_type=action&checkHomePage=true

[woolldog]

7. ok seriously

yeah I'm familiar with those maps.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Pfffft

A laughable prediction.

Every four years with these nonsenses. last time around it was New Jersey.

Preposterous.

[woolldog]

19. It's not a prediction. n/t

[tekisui]

5. NV, VA, FL, and NC.

MN will Blue with the those.

But, I take your point. It really is the only hope mcPOW has left.

[DCBob]

6. Won't happen. MN will go solid blue election night.

I was more concerned about MI.

[darius15]

12. I dont trust one SurveyUSA poll. If there is a trend of MN being close, I will worry. We are up 6-8

nationally, and in neighboring Wisconsin there has been movement to Obama, so there definitely has been some movement in MN.

[MadBadger]

13. What about Nevada, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina...all states Obama is up in?

[woolldog]

16. I'm a pessimist.

I'm thinking in terms of the most plausible worst case scenarios.

[Zynx]

30. Those don't make sense anymore.

[DCBob]

20. And Obama only needs one of those to win based on the OP's map.

I like the odds.

[woolldog]

22. Well, what if you give CO to McCain?

It's very close there. Perhaps I was a bit too generous in giving CO to Obama.

If you do that then McCain wins 284-254. And winning VA or IN or NV or CO does nothing. McCain still wins.

[DCBob]

23. Why remove CO? Obama leads in all the latest polls.

FOX News/Rasmussen 09/28 - 09/28 500 LV 49 48 Obama +1
InAdv/PollPosition 09/23 - 09/23 505 LV 50 41 Obama +9
CNN/Time 09/21 - 09/23 794 LV 51 47 Obama +4
Ciruli Assoc. 09/19 - 09/23 501 LV 44 43 Obama +1
Rasmussen 09/23 - 09/23 700 LV 50 47 Obama +3
PPP (D) 09/20 - 09/21 1084 LV 51 44 Obama +7
Quinnipiac/WSJ/WP 09/14 - 09/21 1418 LV 49 45 Obama +4
InAdv/PollPosition 09/17 - 09/17 508 LV 51 41 Obama +10

[AlinPA]

15. That is a very sobering picture.

[quakerboy]

24. as is this

If this happens, then Minnesota is VITAL.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. ROFL

Brilliant

[quakerboy]

26. well, I figure if we are contemplating doom, it might as well be

somewhat symetrical.

[Bucky]

18. I think you've identified McCain's victory plan

Stunning close (in spirit) to Mondale's

[DCBob]

21. Seems like we had a similar debate a couple of weeks ago when Michigan was close.

Look what happened with that.

[Zynx]

28. Will you stop this crap? This is not in the least bit constructive.

Minnesota will not vote Republican while New Mexico votes Democratic. You're a moron if you think it will.

[woolldog]

33. No one's forcing you to read this thread....

[myrna minx]

47. Thank you! You'll notice that not one Minnesotan is agreeing with these Minnesota panic

threads, because we live here and know the people of our own state. I live here, I've seen Coleman's & McCain's stupid, hyperbolic and insulting ads, and I know it's BS, and I also know these ads are backfiring. But that won't stop the panic based upon one outlier poll. :eyes:

[kikiek]

31. Just saw my 1st Obama ad in MN. About taxing health care. It's a good one!

[woolldog]

32. good to know.

[kikiek]

34. Another good sign Franken is up by 9 over Coleman. I bet Obama is up more than we know.

[woolldog]

35. Wonderful

That's definitely a good sign. It's likely Obama will do a little better than Franken right?

[Morning Dew]

36. Coleman dropped 9 points in the last two weeks

and the undecided vote is down to 5%

It looks like Barkeley has snagged more of Norm's voters than expected - he's up to 18 %, I think.

[kikiek]

40. Yup. And greater pct of Dems are now supporting Franken. Good news.

[LordJFT]

37. that was only one poll

Most polls have shown Coleman ahead. My friend in Minnesota thinks Franken is actually bringing Obama down.

[kikiek]

39. I am in MN also, and no Franken is not bringing down Obama. There hasn't been any ads here until t

this week. Also the most current poll is the Star Trib one. Came out this from polling this week of over 1000. We have more Democrats here than Repugs. Also what is bringing down Coleman is his ads are attack ads. That doesn't work in MN. The most likely bump is from more people going to the I candidate Barkley, and more Democrats are supporting Franken. He had only 2/3's support of the Dems recently. It is now around 75 pct support of the Dems.

[kikiek]

41. Also Coleman's approval rating is down to 38 pct. Was around 52 recently. It's the economy and his

ties to Bush.

[myrna minx]

43. In addition, Coleman's attack ads are backfiring. Minnesotans do not

react well to negative attacks, and these have been so horrendously personal.

[kikiek]

44. Yea. It is a good day I am excited.

[myrna minx]

46. I'm excited too.

I'm proud of our fellow Minnesotans, because we can see through the BS. I can't wait to make my first posts about Senator Franken and President Obama. :hi:

[kikiek]

48. Me too!

:toast: :bounce:

[LiberadorHugo]

38. Relax guys...

Everyone but Survey USA currently has MN as a lock for Obama. Ever hear of outliers before?

[myrna minx]

42. This Minnesota panic is is due to one outlier poll, whereas

the other polls suggest otherwise.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7307295&mesg_id=7311752

[krispos42]

45. 'Cuz like 3 or four mods live here

And without them, the whole place would look like the Primary Wars!

:scared:

[book_worm]

49. Get real people if Obama wins VA, CO, NV, IA, NM and maybe even NC (which seems possible) he will

win MN. It was close in '00 and '04 too, but Obama will win it comfortably.

[Beausoir]

50. MN is a lock for Obama. Take it to the bank and stop worrying. It's a done deal.

Done.

Finito.

Finished.
Obama beats McCain by 10 in MN. Take it to the bank.

[frickaline]

52. I am in Minnesota this weekend and from what I see

there is no possible way for the state to go red. It is simply outside of reality. I think my parents are about the only people voting McCain. All the other people I have spoken with are voting Obama.

[jberryhill]

53. Here's why MN is even more important: