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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:07 PM
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The more I think about Biden's performance last night, the more I like it.
It was respectful and yet it left with nothing to hoot about. Had he corrected her in any way, it would have been red meat for the Blues, but a waste of time & talent. Instead of going after her, or even correcting her more than he needed to reassert his points, he simply walked right past her and hit his target: sink McCain, sell Barack.

At first I worried: 'She's not sputtering; she's not forgetting the names of her family members; he's being too wonky, not really scoring debate points, letting her get the last word in...'   I was being a worry wart. I was assuming the electorate would be bamboozled yet again by a candidate who substituted any knowledge of governance with a folksy confidence in her own delusional platitudes. I thought the viewers and the voters might fall for it again.

I was wrong and Biden was right. Joe just plugged away, explaining the facts and counting on the American people to listen in, ignore the sparkle, and figure out that this is a guy who knows his job. The TV reviewers of the "Sarah Bright and Dark" show were as dumb as me. They too saw her certainty and poise on stage and marveled at her ability to control the debate. They too assumed anyone who isn't locked into a Red or Blue posture is a nincompoop who will fall for a charming spokesmodel over a professorial DC workhorse.

Viewers didn't see a woman who controlled the debate; they saw a woman who refused to answer the questions the moderator asked. They saw through the smile and weren't blinded by the winks. The post-game recap on the cable shows all talked about how she "spoke directly to the people" and how it was like she wasn't on the same stage with Biden. But they missed that Biden was also not on the same stage with Palin. They missed how Joe Biden turned his style into substance--or maybe remade substance into his style.

This isn't the first time Joe's done this. In 1988 Biden chaired the politically volatile Bork hearings just as his presidential campaign was flaming out over a careless intellectual sloppiness on his part (I'm being far kinder to Biden here than he is toward himself in his biography, Promises to Keep). Biden got a chorus of advise from his colleagues and political supporters--don't get bogged down in civil rights minutiae against Bork, go after something personal or take Bork down on political issues. Instead, Joe Biden trusted the voters to be smart enough to handle the truth, smart enough to handle an intelligent conversation in the midst of a campaign season, smart enough to grasp, if it's presented right, something as abstract as the importance of judicial philosophy.

Joe trusted us, the people. And Joe Biden was right. Joe Biden is one of those rare politicians who isn't just smart himself, but brings out the intelligence in the people he offers his leadership to. And that's why, for all his talent at saying dumb things on occasion, I trust Joe. Because Barack Obama was smart enough to trust him, too, I grow more confident every day that we won't just win an election this year, but that we'll actually be able to begin the long slow work of putting this country back on the right road.

And we won't have to get to that road by driving over the Sarah Palins in the world; we don't have to play the old Republican game of personally smearing and destroying our opponents. We only have to trust our fellow citizens to be smart enough to see who's leading when we walk right past the Republicans' hissyfits and distractions and move toward building a better government.

Thank you, Joe, for keeping a cool head. Thank you, Barack, for finding this kindred spirit.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:26 PM
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1. Very well put
Thanks for allowing me to savor Joe Biden's performance again.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:31 PM
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2. John Biden was magnificent!
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Aussie leftie Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:32 PM
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3. You are so right
I feel that Joe Biden showed that he has intelligence, empathy and experience. He was courteous towards Palin at all times and gave her enough rope to hang herself.

When the next presidential debate is on, can Obama take a list of questions along so that he only needs to answer those ones (in his own way). After all a precedent has been set.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:43 PM
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4. K&R. I agree. I've always really liked Joe. He did an excellent job last night. n/t
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:08 PM
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5. I've been voting since 1964 and
Biden's debate performance was the best I have ever seen.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:46 PM
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16. As I said in another thread...Nobody wanted that mission.
He flew it. He hit the target.:patriot: :nuke: :patriot:
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:10 PM
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6. Well he was pretty much debating the local weather girl
Probably not the best showcase for his talents, but he did just fine.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:25 PM
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7. Even More Difficult She Could Have Whipped Out her Doppler Radar At Any Moment n/t
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:41 PM
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14. Someone else compared the debate
to Joe Biden debating to be vice president of the United States and Sarah Palin debating for her junior high debate team.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:31 PM
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8. Yup, yup, to quote somebody...
You nailed it.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:34 PM
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9. Awesome post. He really raised the level of the debate while she tried to dumb it down.
And then after he was very intelligent for almost the entire debate he showed his real emotions and that he has a very good heart. Powerful combination. Gergen said it was the best debate he ever gave. I think many should also look at it as the perfect way for a man to debate a women. We were told so many times that Joe can't do this or that or her will come of as sexist like Rick Lazio or Poppy Bush. He was perfect, however. A real gentleman but still tough on the facts and on attacking her positions. It made him actually look better as she took more of a low road and he took the high road, like Obama did with McLoser. It was a great performance.
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:35 PM
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10. Discipline defines Obama's campaign.
Biden has had his gaffes, but he sure delivered yesterday.
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torbird Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:07 PM
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11. God. Damn. Right.
Thank you. Biden has been making me proud all day today. That's how asses get kicked: you don't yell. You don't threaten. You just look the lying bastards in the eyes and you soberly, calmly cut their legs off.
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Top Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:11 PM
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12. your'e on point with your post
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:21 PM
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13. yes in fact he was Presidential
the other thing that it shows is that he can take coaching and direction from professionals as I am sure that what we saw was exactly what the professionals on the team thought would have the best upside and the least risk.

(I think that also holds for Obama as well.)
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:44 PM
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15. I've known Joe since October,1973. When he came to address 300 H.S. Students. at Rutgers Univ.
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 10:44 PM by GalleryGod
He's a wonderful human being!
A great leader.
Joe...THIS is YOUR moment!:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:47 PM
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17. Yes, thank you Barack for picking him......
..... how superawesome has it beeen that since learning more about Joe in the days after his selection I quite easily fell in love with this man and haven't had a SHRED of doubt in him as VP choice since then. Yet another fine example of what a wise and level headed President Barack will be and how much we should trust his judgement on ...... ya know ....... everything.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:54 PM
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18. You are right...Palin was wrong
Palin's best last night was regurgitating false claims that McCain tried in the first debate, and were thrown back at him by Obama. All they have is "maverick", and Biden finally put that to rest. Her only tactic was the old Bush trick of repeating the lie.

The "maverick" thing points out something significant. They are running on the idea that McCain differs from Republicans. It's not hard to point out how that's not true, especially on economic issues that are so important right now.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:49 PM
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19. Right on.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 05:27 PM
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20. Agreed.nt
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