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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:03 AM
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Updated: ABC News: Palin flub on bankruptcy has McCain camp flailing
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 10:17 AM by ProSense

Updated: ABC News: Palin flub on bankruptcy has McCain camp flailing

by awkward007

Fri Oct 03, 2008 at 06:05:15 AM PDT

As anyone who has followed the foreclosure crisis closely knows, there is currently a loophole in federal bankruptcy law that allows John McCain to protect his second through seventh homes and yachts and planes if he were to declare bankruptcy, but doesn't allow you and me to save our primary residence that we live in. Barack Obama has called for closing this loophole, Joe Biden has called for closing this loophole, and John McCain has defended it to benefit his banker buddies.

So, of course, I was thrilled last night to see Joe Biden press the McPalin ticket on this really important policy distinction, when he suggested that the GOP ticket opposed this important protection for homeowners. When Gwen Ifill pressed Palin on this point of whether she was opposed, she denied it, saying, "No, that is not so."

ABC News has this story this bombshell story up on their Political Radar blog, and the McCain campaign is already backtracking and trying to spin away Palin's answer, but it's revealing a deeper truth.

In reality, Palin didn't know what she was talking about and immediately pivoted to energy, even though she was asked about bankruptcy, just like she did all night. I am glad to see that progressive organizations are in rapid response mode and not going to let them get away with it. ACORN, one of the leading organizations fighting against foreclosure, put out this statement last night, perhaps tongue-in-cheek welcoming her endorsement of their prize bill:

"About 20 minutes into tonight's debate, Governor Sarah Palin demonstrated bipartisan appeal in endorsing Senator Biden's call for bankruptcy protections for primary residences. When Senator Biden called for bankruptcy shelter and suggested that Governor Palin likely opposed those protections, Gwen Ifill asked, "Governor Palin, is that so?" The Governor responded, "That is not so."

Both Senators Biden and Obama have supported the "Helping Families Save Their Homes in Bankruptcy Act", which would close the loophole in current federal bankruptcy law that prevents primary residences from have their mortgages restructured by federal bankruptcy judges. Currently, second homes, seventh homes, and yachts are eligible for such restructuring, but not primary residences that are being lost at a record pace in the current foreclosure crisis.

ACORN welcomes Governor Palin's endorsement of this important provision, and hopes that this high-profile endorsement will encourage Senator McCain to change his mind and support this necessary change to assist America's struggling homeowners.

Delicious. The ABC story includes the always-enjoyable line, "The McCain campaign confirms to ABC News that Palin misstated McCain's position."

This set up the real punchline in this story, which perfectly encapsulates not only how ignorant, but how tightly controlled by McCain operatives Palin is and will be as Vice President:

"Sarah was just being Sarah," ACORN's Charles Jackson told ABC News. "It's clear from the transcript that she supported the provision that Senator Biden brought up. We'll see if McCain's handlers will allow her to continue to hold that position tomorrow."

ZING! We have a winner. I hope Obama surrogates will push this message and further drive this wedge between Palin and McCain, as it represents so well the reality of her middling performance last night and her middling intellect.

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Edited to add Chuck Todd's assessment:

*** The bottom line: This debate was about Palin surviving and survive she did. Neither candidate committed a major gaffe, and there were probably no moments that will get replayed over and over. Indeed, the debate may have a shelf life of about 24 to 48 hours, and that's about it. We imagine this event quickly fades as attention today turns to the House vote on the bailout or next Tuesday's presidential debate. Palin did well enough to prevent the negative storyline that developed all day Thursday regarding McCain's chances in November. Had Palin stumbled badly, that news -- combined with the decision by the campaign to scale back its campaign in Michigan -- would have created a terrible storyline. Palin's solid performance on the style front prevented the worst outcome. But did it move the needle in a positive direction for McCain? Unlikely. At this point, the number of mega-game changing events for McCain are dwindling. And since he's the candidate trailing, that's not a good sign. The pressure is now on McCain next Tuesday to get his campaign back on track. Given the limited window McCain's facing, this likely means we should expect a very aggressive McCain in the remaining debates.


Dear Chuck, see above report.

McToast.














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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:07 AM
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1. Kick.
:kick:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:09 AM
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2. Would someone explain this to me?
...there is currently a loophole in federal bankruptcy law that allows John McCain to protect his second through seventh homes and yachts and planes if he were to declare bankruptcy, but doesn't allow you and me to save our primary residence that we live in.

What is this loophole? What is the reasoning behind this?

Thanks! :hi:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:14 AM
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7. Greed. I am sorry to appear snarky, but that is the short answer.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:34 AM
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18. The privilege of upper class idiots protecting their own.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:56 PM
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38. How I understand it
If your house is being foreclosed on, it is possible to get changes to the mortgages and total amount owed(that the right word?) - on other houses if you have them.
One house and you are screwed.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. K&R
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. Thanks! (nt)
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #38
87. Correct. But you can't renegotiate the mortgage on a primary residence to a fair market price
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:38 PM
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63. I may be going out on a limb here but....
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that most congresskritters are rich d/sob's and HAVE more than one house?

Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that the people that have more than one house (or yachts or ...fill in the blank...) are the ones who pay most congresskritters so that they can keep being elected as congresskritters while the lowly poor folk scrimp, save, and hope like hell that we don't get sick because then we'll loose our house/car/job.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but that's my take on the whole thing.

Q3JR4.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:29 PM
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86. No correction necessary - you're spot on. But at the risk of bringing up
a sore subject, Biden voted for the bankruptcy bill. I admire him, for the most part, but that one's hard to swallow and diminishes my respect for him a bit. I've read all kinds of justifications for his vote, so please, no lectures.

I'm sorry if I've gone off-topic, but I just needed to vent today. Your post was so good it made me want to rant. I feel better now.
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:40 PM
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65. The loophole is ...
If your 2nd - 7th houses are being foreclosed, you can petition the federal courts to have
a federal judge review your finances and have the loan(s) restructured so that you can afford
to make your payments and avoid foreclosure.

You don't have that ability with your primary residence. If your primary home is being
foreclosed, the only way to avoid foreclosure is to pay your mortgage. You can not petition
the federal court to allow a federal judge to review your finances and restructure your loan
so that you can afford the payments and not lose your house.

In the Wall St. Bailout bill ($850B) that just passed today, the Republicans made damn sure
that this loophole remained. They want foreclosures so that banks or investors can profit from
your loss.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #65
74. The banks are going to take government money for the properties
and then, after the mortgages for the properties have been sold to the government and the prices of housing in the market have gone down under the pressure of so much real estate being offered at the same time and so little credit for consumers to buy them, then the banks and other wealthy institutions will buy up lots of properties, hold them and resell when prices go up. They can churn these houses several times, making money each time.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:32 AM
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80. probably not any actual reasoning
when the bankruptcy law was written, it excluded primary residence from assets that could be forfeited to pay off debts. So you can declare bankruptcy, have your savings, investments, property all liquidated by the bankruptcy judge to pay off as much as possible of what you owe; then you have a clean slate and still have your home. That is how it is SUPPOSED to work. The expectation is that you have sufficient income to pay the mortgage, utilities, and grocery bills, if you can just get shed of the debts you had accumulated.

But bankruptcy judges have been intervening to get loans on yachts and investment properties restructured so that the people declaring bankruptcy get to stiff their creditors and still keep the investments and properties. That is the scam being perpetrated by the fat cats.

So now the result is that people without lots of investments and property who declare bankruptcy lose everything but the house and still owe on it, because the loan is not restructured. If they don't have sufficient income to pay the mortgage, then they still get foreclosed on. Those are the real tragedies.

People who have built up a good bit of equity in the house are the ones who really get hammered. They lose what would have been their savings - the main investment they have made in their life, that they expected to sell and live on the proceeds in their old age. People who "bought" a house with a predatory balloon-payment loan, or zero-interest loan, with no real prospect of ever paying it off based on their economic condition, have actually just been renting anyway, except they got a tax deduction for the payment. It is sad to see them have that house taken away, but maybe it didn't make a whole lot of sense in the first place. The "value" of the house was inflated and lenders were happy to write nonsense loans that would never be paid off and sell them to greedy foolish investors who were looking out for themselves in a ponzie scheme. They walk away with fat bonuses already paid out while their employers go belly up. THOSE are the people living in 30,000 square foot houses, with six cars and two yachts, whom I want to see on streetcorners selling apples.



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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:12 AM
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3. The Candidate does not speak for the campaign
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:12 AM
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4. bwwaaahahahaha!
:rofl: Tis a thing of beauty gosh darn it!
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:13 AM
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5. Those crazy mavericks
they just say and do whatever they like.

"I'll graze here today. No, I want to run. Water, yum. Look, a cliff, over it I go. Aaaahiiiieeeeeehhhhhhh !!! What happened?"
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:06 PM
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25. John and Sarah, putting the ICK in Mavrick!
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #25
64. Sure glad they stuck with the name Maverick and did not
go for rebel. I'd had to change my screen name somehow.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:13 AM
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6. That's the problem with not actually understanding policy. nt
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Doodler71 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #6
45. Yes exactly! Forget the Bush Doctrine, she doesn't even know
the party platform or her running mate's stance on the issues.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:17 AM
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8. Sarah Palin doesn't know shit.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #8
34. She knows a repuke talking point inside and out...n/t
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:09 PM
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40. C'mon now
She knows McCain!
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:19 PM
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59. "Of course I know McCain"
"John McCain? Oh, yah, you betcha I know him. I've even met him in person! He's a mavrick, ya know. He takes heat from his own party, and even the other party. And we're very close. We talk. We talk about all our important campaign decisions. Like givin' up on Michigan. As soon as I read about it, the day after it was announced, I real quick e-mailed my contact at campaign headquarters (ya know, John doesn't do the e-mail) and offered to keep fightin' for that state. 'Cause ya know, I'm all about the fightin'. I'm a hockey mom."
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:25 AM
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83. You do a GREAT Sarah.
Keep 'em coming and keep us smiling!

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:19 AM
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9. Well, that's what you get from Josephine Six Pack...
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:25 AM
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10. I like the thought of giving McCain & Palin a wedgie
:evilgrin:
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:21 PM
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49. sicko.
:rofl:

Good grief!!! LOL!


peace~
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:38 AM
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11. Can I talk to ya' about energy for a moment?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:39 PM
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33. She had no idea what question she was answering..
the was just chomping to get her energy talking points in. I swear the woman was on speed last night.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:39 AM
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12. Yeah, this is a huge story. K and R
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:04 AM
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13. Yup!
Thanks.


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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:07 AM
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14. That was her major flub and she had two others
Her problem with naming the commander in Afghanistan referring to him as the civil war general McClellan. Her closing quote was a campaign flub that she memorized since it was a speech from Reagan attacking medicare. Hopefully these will feed the MSM narrative since they were looking for her to make a major gaffe.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. Yes, I want to hear more and more about palin
quoting reagun "attacking medicare"..who filled her head with those fanicies?

And, send it to that dipshit who compared her to reagun..there's so many I don't who was, last night?
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:13 PM
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53. I found it at Paul Krugman's website
Here's the link. Here's the audio with Raygun talking against Medicare. I read the background on it and, while a Repub actor, he did a recording that was sponsored by the American Medical Association in the 60's. The AMA was afraid of Medicare passing. It's pretty full of red baiting. They called it Operation Coffee Cup and passed the recording around to everyone. Carter tried to find a copy of it to use against Raygun during the 1980 election but all copies mysteriously disappeared until Raygun passed away and then they resurfaced.

The lines Palin cribbed are at the very end. You can see how right Raygun was about how Medicare has lead to rampant communism in our society. :sarcasm: The cool thing about Krugman's catch of this is that it plays right into McSame's positions on Social Security privatization and health care reform.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. Thank you, seasat! It brings this all
into a mindboggling perspective!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:45 PM
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57. That was an awesome link, thanks! (nt)
:hi:
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:54 PM
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68. Great find seasat! Thank you... nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
32. She also said she would "Cheney-fy" the office of V.P...
by looking into expanding her legislative powers. The woman is a power hungry piranha.
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. "I know all about General McClellan . . .
"'Cause I'm a Civil War expert now, too."

"Really? What was the Civil War about?"

"Well, um, there was the North and the South . . . Oh, and slavery! And one side was for it and one side was against it, and . . . so they had a war. And we won! And that's why we're one country now and most states don't have slavery. But, ya know, let's not play this gotcha game, let me tell you about our energy plans. We're gonna break America's addiction to oil by drilling for more oil. Drill, baby, drill!" Wink.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:22 AM
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15. DNC: Count the Lies

Count the Lies

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New York Times: Palin Health Care Claim "Inaccurate On Several Levels." "Ms. Palin castigated Mr. Obama's health care plan as one that would be mandate a 'universal government-run' system in which health care is 'taken over' by the federal government. This is inaccurate on several levels. Mr. Obama's proposal includes an option for people to choose a new public plan with benefits similar to what members of Congress and other federal employees currently have. It also includes an expansion of Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program, but it is not at all exclusively government-run. Mr. Obama's plan also only mandates that children, not adults, have coverage. (New York Times, 10/2/08: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/check-point-the-vice-presidential-debate/)

FactCheck.org: Palin Health Care Claim "False." "Palin said that Obama's plan would be 'government run' and would mandate health care. The first claim is false, as we've said before. Obama's plan would increase the offerings of publicly funded health care, but would not replace or remove private insurance, or require people to enroll in a public plan. The second claim leaves out important information. Obama's plan would mandate health coverage for children, but not for adults." (FactCheck.org, 10/2/08: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/02/socialized-medicine/)

Politifact.com: Obama's Plan Does Not Call For Government-Run Health Care. "At the vice presidential debate in St. Louis, Mo., Sarah Palin defended John McCain's health care plan and criticized Barack Obama's. Obama has a plan 'to mandate health care coverage and have a universal government run program,' Palin said. 'And unless you're pleased with the way the federal government has been running anything lately, I don't think that it's going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the feds.' Problem is, Obama's plan keeps the free-market health care system intact, particularly employer-based insurance. It is not a goverment-run program and is very different from the health care systems run by the government in some European countries ... So Palin is mostly wrong about Obama's plan having a mandate; it only has one for children. He would like it to be universal at some point. She also emphasized that Obama proposes government-run health care, a statement that is completely inaccurate." (POLITIFACT.com, 10/2/08: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/765/)

Washington Post Fact Checker: Palin Claim That Biden Supported McCain Policies "Flatly False." "Sarah Palin just asserted that Sen. Joseph Biden backed John McCain's military policies until this presidential race. That is flatly false. Biden was an outspoken opponent of President Bush's troop increases in Iraq as soon as Bush announced them after the 2006 elections. As Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, he led the most heated hearings before the troops were actually deployed." (Washington Post Fact Checker Blog, 10/02/08: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/)

FactCheck.org: Palin Repeats "Old Canard" About Energy Bill. "Palin threw out an old canard when she criticized Obama for voting for the 2005 Energy bill, saying, 'that's what gave those oil companies those big tax breaks.' It's a false attack Clinton used against Obama in the primary and McCain himself has hurled. It's true that the bill gave some tax breaks to oil companies, but it also took away others. And according to the Congressional Research Service, the bill created a slight net increase in taxes for the oil industry." (FactCheck.org, 10/2/08: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/02/2005-energy-bill-deja-vu/)

AP: Despite Claiming to Have "Taken On" the Oil Industry, Palin on Same Side As American Petroleum Institute, Big Oil on Key Issues. "PALIN: Claimed she has taken on the oil industry as Alaska governor. THE FACTS: Palin pushed to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and distributed the proceeds to the state's citizens to offset rising energy costs. However, she has also sided with the industry on a number of issues. She sued the Interior Department over its designation of polar bears as an endangered species. That puts her on the same side as the American Petroleum Institute, the oil industry's chief trade association. She also supports the industry's desire to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge -- a position at odds with McCain." (AP, 10/02/08: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEBATE_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

AP: Palin Exaggerates Pipeline Claim. "PALIN: Said Alaska is 'building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets.' THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, 'It's not a done deal.'" (AP, 10/02/08: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEBATE_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Washington Post Fact Checker: Palin Overstates Impact of Increased Oil Production. "Gov. Palin suggested that the nearly $700 billion the U.S. spends a year on imported oil could be replaced by domestic sources. CNNMoney.com took estimates from various government agencies to conclude that crude oil production could be increased at most between 1 and 3 million barrels per day, on top of the 5 million barrels a year already produced domestically. The United States currently consumes about 20 million barrels annually, so an expansion of domestic drilling would make barely a dent in that amount unless consumption also is reduced." (Washington Post Fact Checker Blog, 10/02/08: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/)

ABC News: Palin "Got Her Facts Wrong" on Homeowner Protections. "Sarah Palin got her facts wrong in Thursday's debate with Joe Biden when discussing where John McCain stands on new protections for homeowners facing foreclosures. The Alaska governor incorrectly made it sound like McCain supports giving bankruptcy judges the power to rewrite mortgage payment terms on first homes. He doesn't." (ABC News, 10/03/08: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-misstates.html)

Washington Post Fact Checker: Palin Falsely Says Troops are Now at Pre-Surge Levels. "Gov. Sarah Palin was erroneous when she claimed U.S. troop levels in Iraq are now at 'pre-surge' levels. When President Bush announced last month that he would withdraw an additional 8,000 U.S. troops over the coming months, he committed to leaving at least 138,000 troops in the country at the end of his presidency, 3,000 more than there were before the troop increases known now as 'the surge.'" (Washington Post Fact Checker Blog, 10/02/08: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/)

CNN: Palin Surge Claim "False." "During the vice-presidential debate in St. Louis on Thursday, Oct. 2, Republican nominee Gov. Sarah Palin criticized Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's opposition to the military 'surge' in Iraq and said, 'The surge worked. Barack Obama still can't admit the surge works.' ... The Verdict: False. Obama has said the surge 'succeeded beyond our wildest dreams' from a military perspective." (CNN Political Ticker, 10/2/08: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/fact-check-is-it-true-obama-still-cant-admit-the-surge-works/)

FactCheck.org: Obama Did Not Vote Against Troop Funding. "Palin repeated the claim that Obama 'voted against funding our troops.' The claim refers to a single 2007 vote against a war funding bill. Obama voted for a version of the bill that included language calling for withdrawing troops from Iraq. President Bush vetoed it. (McCain supported that veto, but didn't call it 'vetoing support for our troops.') What Obama voted against was the same bill without withdrawal language. And he had voted yes on at least 10 other war funding bills prior to that single 2007 no vote." (FactCheck.org, 10/2/08: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/02/obama-voted-against-troop-funding/)

AP: Palin Claim About Troop Levels in Iraq "Not Correct." "PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007. THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began. PALIN: 'Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell.' THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters -- McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control." (AP, 10/02/08: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEBATE_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Washington Post Fact Checker: Palin Tax Hike Claims "Untrue." "Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin signaled early she would go after Barack Obama all night on the charge that he had voted 94 times to either raise taxes or fight against tax cuts. Fact check.org, a non-partisan watchdog, has analyzed the charge. Of the 94, 23 of those votes were indeed votes against proposed tax cuts. Eleven of them were increases on families earning over $1 million to help fund programs such as Head Start and school nutrition. And 53 were on non-binding budget resolutions that foresaw allowing tax cuts to expire as scheduled. Such out-year projections are meaningless, since non-binding budgets are passed each year. Factcheck.org ruled the claim misleading. On another point, Palin said a tax hike that hits earners over $250,000 would hit 'millions of small businesses.' That is untrue. The vast majority of small businesses barely break even and do not pay the top tax brackets. To get that figure, Republicans count affluent taxpayers who claim some income from some small business income as 'small businessmen.'" (Washington Post Fact Checker Blog, 10/02/08: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/)

Washington Post Fact Checker: Palin Repeats False Tax Hike for Families Making $42,000 Claim. "Sarah Palin repeated John McCain's claim that Barack Obama voted to increase taxes for every American earning more than $42,000 a year. This is a considerable stretch. Obama voted for a non-binding budget resolution that laid down general budgetary guidelines based on the assumption that the Bush tax cuts will expire, as scheduled, in 2011. The budget resolution did not represent a vote to raise taxes. Obama has said that he is in favor of continuing the Bush tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans." (Washington Post Fact Checker Blog, 10/02/08: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/)

FactCheck.org: Palin Got Troop Levels "Wrong." "Palin got her numbers wrong on troop levels when she said that troops were now down to 'pre-surge' levels. The surge was announced in January 2007, at which point there were 132,000 troops in Iraq according to the Brookings Institute Iraq Index. As of September 2008, that number was 146,000. President Bush recently announced that another 8,000 would be coming home by February of next year. But that would still be 6,000 more than when the surge began." (FactCheck.org, 10/2/08: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/02/troop-levels-off/)

FactCheck.org: Palin Repeats "Several False Claims" on Taxes. "Palin repeated several false claims about Obama's tax policies. Obama did not in fact vote to increase taxes on "families" making as little as $42,000 per year. What Obama actually voted for was a budget resolution that called for returning the 25 percent tax bracket to its pre-Bush tax cut level of 28 percent. That could have affected an individual with no children making as little as $42,000. But a couple would have had to earn $83,000 to be affected and a family of four at least $90,000. Palin also repeated the exaggeration that Obama voted 94 times to increase taxes. That number includes seven votes that would have lowered some taxes, 23 that were against tax cuts, and 17 that came on just seven different bills. And finally, it's false that Biden and Obama voted for 'the largest tax increase in history.' Palin is referring here to the Democrats' 2008 budget proposal, which would indeed have resulted in about $217 billion in higher taxes over two years. That's a significant increase. But measured as a percentage of GDP, the yardstick that most economists prefer, the 2008 budget proposal would have been the third-largest since 1968, and it's not even in the top 10 since 1940." (FactCheck.org, 10/2/08: http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/10/02/tax-distortions/)

New York Times: Palin's Small Business Tax Hike Claim Overstated. Ms. Palin said "millions of small businesses" would pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama's tax plan, pointing to the increases for "those making $250,000 a year or more." Mr. Obama's plan would affect couples making more than $250,000 or singles making more than $200,000. Many small-business owners actually pay taxes as individuals, not as corporations. But Factcheck.org cited a projection by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center that 663,608 taxpayers with business income would fall into the top two tax brackets in 2009 and, therefore, be affected by the Obama tax plan. Not all of these, however, would be properly considered "small business owners." Some are simply those who get income in from real-estate partnerships or other investment arrangements. In other words, the actual number of small businessmen who would be affected by Obama tax plan is likely even smaller than that number, not "millions." (New York Times, 10/2/08: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/check-point-the-vice-presidential-debate/)

New York Times: Palin Increased Wasilla Sales Tax. "Governor Palin said she reduced taxes when she was mayor of Wasilla, from 1996 to 2002. The city did eliminate property taxes, but she also pushed through a half-cent sales tax increase to pay for a $15 million sports complex. That increase followed a 2-cent sales tax initiated by her predecessor that helped the city expand its police force and pay for other new services. Ms. Palin also said she eliminated a business inventory tax. She did, and that move is credited with bringing many large chain stores to Wasilla." (New York Times, 10/2/08: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/check-point-the-vice-presidential-debate/)

New York Times: On Taxes, Palin "Made Claims About Senator Obama's Policies That Are Not Correct." "In addressing the issues of taxes, Governor Palin has made claims about Senator Obama’s policies that are not correct. She revived, for example, an accusation that he and Mr. Biden voted 'for the largest tax increases in U.S. history' and also charged that he would raise taxes 'for those families making only $42,000 a year.' Mr. Obama voted twice this year in favor of a budget resolution that would have allowed the tax cuts that President Bush pushed through Congress in 2001 and 2003 to expire at the end of 2010, as the original law mandated. But that, by the definition of the Congressional Budget Office and other tax experts, does not constitute a tax increase. The resolution, if not accompanied by other tax changes, envisages an increase in taxes for an individual earning $42,000 a year who has no dependents and owns no real estate. But it would not apply to a family. Indeed, estimates are that a family of four making as much as $90,000 would not see a tax increase." (New York Times, 10/2/08: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/check-point-the-vice-presidential-debate/)

AP: Palin Repeats "Dubious Count" of Tax Votes. "PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: '94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction.' THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year." (AP, 10/02/08: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEBATE_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

New York Times: Palin's Claim About McCain on Fannie and Freddie Not Accurate. "Gov. Sarah Palin boasted that Mr. McCain 'sounded that warning bell' about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, echoing some of Mr. McCain's recent comments in which he portrayed himself as being on the vanguard in warning about the impending financial crisis. Ms. Palin was referring to Mr. McCain's decision in 2006 to sign on as a co-sponsor of a Senate bill that would have overhauled regulations governing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But the legislation was introduced more than 16 months earlier and the debate over the issue had been going on for some time. He also only added his name after an oversight agency issued a lengthy report condemning practices at Fannie Mae." (New York Times, 10/2/08: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/check-point-the-vice-presidential-debate/)

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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:23 PM
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29. Wow great list! I actually give Palin credit on this. She doesn't know yet quite how corrupt
her party really is. When she's asked about a policy that is clearly evil she assumes that it's an unfounded attack and denies it :rofl:
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MrToby Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:20 PM
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43. Survey Says...
Either Palin is dumber than a frozen mudball or a liar...your choice.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:14 PM
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54. i knew she was full of shit
but i didn't know enough to be specific, just knew the woman was full of shit. i am so glad to see that others have followed through and enumerated how many times and ways she was full of shit.

she finds it way too easy to lie for my comfort.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:34 AM
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 11:12 AM
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85. WaHOO!
That went directly to my addressbook :evilgrin:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:25 AM
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16. kick
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:30 AM
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17. K&R

Faaaaabulous ;)
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:35 AM
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19. "In reality, Palin didn't know what she was talking about "
Edited on Fri Oct-03-08 11:35 AM by LynneSin
Yeah that's what I want as my next Vice President. Absolute proof she was reciting and NOT debating.

:grr:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:59 AM
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22. all of the deep penetrating prep work by the creek...all of the prep work
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:01 PM
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23. The media and their BS "she did fine," "she held her own"
overlooks that she knows nothing, lied and got even McCain's positions wrong. Palin's success in the VP debate, according to the media, is a about her smiling and winking.

Yeah, who care's is the VP is a know-nothing liar.




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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:31 PM
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31. The "Liberal Media" would've said the same thing
if she'd babbled incoherently & drooled on the floor for 90 min.
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IndianaJohn Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 09:01 PM
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69. Agree!
She could have spewed a river of diarrhea out of her mouth for 90 min...oh, wait a minute...that's what she actually did, nvm.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:40 PM
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66. She followed bush's debating tactics.
I remember when he was in debates and he didn't answer questions, he just talked about what he wanted to talk about and the media gave him the win. Hell, anyone can win a debate if they just talk about what they have memorized and not discuss what anyone else talks about. But that is not a debate, that is a campaign stop/stump speech. :shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:36 AM
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20. chuckie drools at the sight of palin
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:39 AM
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21. K&R on this to add to Palin's pile of errors.
And we want to see McSame defend his policy, Country Club First, to continue protecting second, third, and fourth homes but not primary residences.

Yes please, Johnny, come on out and make sure Joe Six Pack and Hockey Mom hear you loudly and clearly declare Sitcom Sarah wrong.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:06 PM
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24. What a twit...I bless her for her stupidity alone. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:20 PM
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26. Fantastic! Another big story here is how big
a mediawhore chuck todd has become in such a short time.

You're either ignorant about what constitutes a gaffe, chuckie, or you're lying your whorehead off.

REC'D.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 08:43 PM
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67. I remember when I use to like him.
That was about four months ago. The vain fall quickly when they become enamored with their own voice/image.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 12:48 PM
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28. A Classic case of Manny being Manny.......err ummm
I mean Sarah being Sarah.

:rofl:
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:26 PM
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30. That bankruptcy loophole is astounding!
How can you be allowed to file bankruptcy if you haven't sold off those assets in an attempt to pay off your bills? I filed a Chapter 7 twenty years ago and there were definite limits on what you were allowed to keep and how much it could be worth.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:48 PM
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35. She thinks the whole Republican deal
is abortion and marriage equality. She speaks fondly of Unions, saying that she and Todd sturggled until he got a 'good Union job'. She does not even know the GOP is a Union Buster from word go. She does not even know what McCain stands for at all. The very picture of Repulican tunnel vision and ignorance.
Plus she is just mean. All she does is cheap gotchas and lots of mincing facial expressions. Dishes it out, but can not take it. Wimpy and sleazy.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:50 PM
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36. I shouted that out last night!
"SHE JUST MADE POLICY! UHUUUH, SARAH MADE POOPOO!"
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 01:50 PM
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37. Dear Chuck....WRONG!
Maverick Sarah's lil' flub on substance now forces McCain's elitist, greedy, dispicable stance that "foreclosures are for little people" out of the dark and into the hard light of public scrutiny. The same public that is being forced out of their homes to make do in cardboard boxes under a bridge, or watching their property values -- and life savings -- get flushed down the toilet as their neighborhoods slip down the drain.

I wonder how many other lil' gems will be uncovered as the tapes are reviewed.

Not that we need any or many more than that honkin' flawless diamond!!!!!
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MrToby Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:17 PM
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42. Survey Says....
Either Palin is dumber that a frozen mudball or a liar..your choice.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 02:26 PM
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44. She's dumber than Bush, but not as brain-damaged. K&R. NT
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:50 PM
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46. She wouldn't have said that if Ifill hadn't been so damned annoying.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 03:59 PM
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47. Ah...Let' Sarah be Sarah. She maks it too easy to expose Gramps.
But really, this is a revelation to me. I can't even wrap my mind around such a law or fathom the mind of the low-life that would come up with it :puke:
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:00 PM
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48. How maverick can one get?
Upstart Maverick pulls the special interest carpet out from under Bid Daddy Maverick. Welcome aboard, Sarah P. Joe six-pack and the rest of America's middle class is eternally grateful that you've taken this bold and courageous step!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:25 PM
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50. Awesome! She's great! KandR
I would never had known about this...how many really do?
Thanks, Sarah! I know now....

peace~
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 04:52 PM
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51. Excellent. (nt)
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:07 PM
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52. I'm guessing - Goddess forbid - she does become VP ..
... she's going to spend 3.75 of the 4 years at the 'undisclosed location' known as Wasilla Alaska.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:36 PM
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55. kick !
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 05:45 PM
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58. This deserves more media exposure than this little ABC blip and our echo chamber here.
This is a great story and thanks for posting it.

It has all the right ingredients:

Rich McCain protecting his own 2nd - 7th home, but denying that protection to everyone else.

Rich McCain's VP sides with Biden, but then is corrected by Rich McCain's staff.

Richard Nixon, who knew a thing or two about the politics of resentment, said that resentment was a powerful motivation tool in elections.

Here's an opportunity for healthy resentment against unjust privilege to be used by our side.

I will send this to everyone on my large e-mail list and beg them to pass it along, too.

Hoping you will do likewise.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:22 PM
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60. Oooh, this has been a BIG issue all year, in several laws that were passed.

McToast is right. I've been saying for a while now, I want to know who the lobbyists were, who got this provision removed time and again, including in the bailout bill. I'm dead certain the ringleader is UBS, and you know who that is - Gramm. It's been published that it was him getting it nixed back last spring - from the Foreclosure Relief Act, I think it was, and then again several more times this summer.

We should know who is getting their way about this, when we're not. Not in general terms, but names.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 07:29 PM
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62. Foreclosures, Bankruptcy and Sen. McCain’s Voting Record
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:10 PM
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70. K&R
Camp Obama must run bankruptcy issue ads on air for at least a couple of weeks.
Supporting second home exemptions while denying them for primary homes defines
the kind of president John McCain will be and it will resonate with working
voters.
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 10:20 PM
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71. Keith Olbermann just made another donation...
to Alaska's Special Olympics. $1200, $100 for each Palin lie he documented in the debate.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:01 PM
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72. McToast and Failin?
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-08 11:06 PM
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73. When I hear about some of the movements to protect homes, I just cry for
those who have already lost theirs.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 12:00 AM
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75. Ya Know What Is TRULY Astounding?? It's Something I've Talking About For
years and years and years and even more years, and I'm not THAT old, but I am a Boomer!! It's sort of a "mantra" of mine! This country and the people in it NEVER pay enough attention to what is really happening until it HITS THE POCKET BOOK!! I don't have ratio numbers, but most people don't have a clue about what is happening in Washington D.C.!!!

I realize that many of us have jobs, children, taxes and all those overwhelming tasks that consume us. But when a country picks a POTUS that they would probably like to have a beer with, it says to me that THEY AREN'T paying attention to Jack!!! Even when that POTUS got there fraudulently TWO times! When they chose WAR over any kind of compromise and called it being PATRIOTIC, that's called STUPID! And it didn't start with the current IDIOT, he's just been the very worst of the lot in my lifetime!

Even when masses of people began to feel the pinch, there was no squealing, then it rose up the food chain a bit, there was no squealing, then it rose further up the food chain, STILL no squealing! Then came a few rumblings underneath us, still no squealing, then further up the food chain, a few squeals and so it goes.

NOW the problem is so Monstrous that EVERYONE is squealing and all along, the few of us who were actually watching, who have seen so much coming down the pike for so many years, and have had to live with all the bad decisions, NOW they realize they should have been paying attention when the first squeal was heard!

This country has slumbered it's way into chaos, thinking we are just the GREATEST of all GREATS! When all along the merry-go-round was losing nuts, bolts, screws, cogs and now the wheels people sit and wonder HOW it got this way. Well it got this way because too many people have been just TOO STUPID to stop and THINK!

So now folks, WE ALL are going to have to work really, really really hard to pick up the pieces, because if we don't we just may as well call this country ROME!!

No new POTUS will be able to do this alone and if we don't WAKE UP NOW... well just THINK ABOUT IT!! Whether we like it or not, it's back to nuts and bolts and some of us are REALLY, REALLY REALLY pissed off because too many were just plain STUPID!!

We have been manipulated and played like a fiddle and too many followed, and STILL too many people can't see. Folks, Sarah Palin is playing at your local theater and there are TOO MANY people who are still buying POP CORN!!

It's late, I'm grouchy but I'm really, really really SICK OF THIS SHIT!!


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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 07:11 AM
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79. ding ding ding
We have a winner.
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 08:46 AM
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82. Add to your list of our idiocies the gas crisis from the 70's. What, as a nation, did we do? Duhhhh
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 02:29 AM
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76. If you can't dazzle them with your bullshit
baffle them with your lies. People having financial difficulties or losing large or small amounts of money have no patience for Palin or McCain's lies. The law says John McCain and his buddies can keep their second and thrid and fourth and fifth homes even if they file for bancktruptcy. But we lose our home, our ptimary residence. Good thing all those hard working lower and middle class people making under 250,000 a year have at least three homes to fall back on. What, that's not your reality and you still support Republicans and McLiar?
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 04:59 AM
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77. Nice catch! Thank you for posting! k+r, n/t
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 06:08 AM
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78. K/R.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-08 09:46 AM
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84. Even by what I had considered among the vilest, conceivable political standards of
Edited on Sat Oct-04-08 09:47 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
moral turpitude as demonstrated by today's Republicans, this wickedness truly beggars belief, and cries to Heaven for vengeance. If I had been meditating for hours on the total lack of the merest vestige of shame of the essential psychopath, I would still have been utterly aghast to read it. Incredulous.

I keep being reminded by them of Hunter S Thompson's description of Nixon, about whom, in comparison with this lot, I think he grew almost nostalgic and sentimental:

"Richard Nixon has never been one of my favorite people anyway. For years I've regarded his existence as a monument to all the rancid genes and broken chromosomes that corrupt the possibilities of the American Dream;...."

Like the rest of us, he had so much to learn.
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