gay civil rights.

[Kind of Blue]

May be I'm reading too much into it, but do you think the wingnuts are cringing that Palin agrees with civil rights for gays and hetero couples? I mean both disagree with gay marriage but Palin, to me, kind of scrambled around the answer so much that Gwen Ifill had to conclude, "All right, you both agree," and the audience laughed.

[SDJay]

1. Yep. Hilarious. She'll have to answer to McCrap for that one. nt

[Kind of Blue]

24. I know. I can just imagine Gramps calling her the c-word, like he

did with Cindycontin.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. My bet is that she was purposely vague in her answer.

[justiceischeap]

3. Yes, if they were paying attention, that was a "low point" for her base.

and it's not gay civil rights, it's plain old civil rights as Joe said. Us gay folk are Americans first and should be allowed the same rights as everyone else the constitution protects but because we happen to be gay as well, we are marginalized.

[napoleon_in_rags]

6. Its good to see sanity being accepted though.

Just the idea that marriage is defined by faith and the governments job is to instill civil rights. But for your subject line, I wonder if the Olbermann factor was at play: Olbermann criticized Bush for a long time without getting the kind of shit Michael Moore gets...My theory is that it was because he used big words, and the morons couldn't understand it. Listening to the debate it was the same - all the stupid people heard from both candidates was "I am against gay marriage" while the smart people heard was that they both accept civil rights for gay couples.

[Heather MC]

17. Biden says he doesn't support redefining marriage. Doesn't that mean

Obama and Biden don't support giving marriage the definition of a marriage being between a man and a woman

that's the only definition that I know that people have tried to "define" by law.

Is that was Joe meant?

That's what I heard

[Kind of Blue]

22. I guess so

:shrug: But he made it clear that they are for civil rights.

[Kind of Blue]

9. I'm sorry to have posed the question like that. I'm

African-American and I understand how you feel about being marginalized. :hi:

[SwampG8r]

4. im in favor of gay marriages

why should i be suffering alone?




for the record my wife who may or may not be reading this is wonderful and this is a punchline intended for a generic marriage joke

[vaberella]

5. Me too. n/t

[Whalestoe]

7. Family Guy used it once.

Seth MacFarlane is also a big Obama supporter.

[Kind of Blue]

14. I'm sure your wife understands. That one never loses it's charm :)

[Up2Late]

8. Did you ever see the movie "Scanners?" Remember the part where the guys head explodes?

That's what I'm imagining right about now. But don't worry, 3 days from now, Fox "news" will be spinning this in some way that none of us can imaging right now.

[Kind of Blue]

12. I've always tried not to think of that exploding head but this is the

first time that the image cracks me up. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Marsala]

10. She lied through her teeth on that one

No difference from Biden and the Democratic party line? Please. Well, at least it disarms that as a wedge issue.

Come to think of it, gay rights wasn't mentioned at all at the Repuke convention. Perhaps they're downplaying it intentionally?

[Kind of Blue]

20. Like you said, she lied through her teeth. I just wonder how she'll

try to explain her answer to the base? Ultimately, I don't care. Just glad she'll have to go through the torture :spank:

[patomime]

11. ...marriage...

should be for everyone, for equality.

[joop]

15. absolutely.

The notion that marriage can only be recognizable between a man and a woman is a shameful civil inequity. It's lovely that they want to ensure civil rights for gay couples but it's *not enough*. It's time to get the prejudice out of our country and allow people to live (and marry) and let live.

[Kind of Blue]

16. I so agree. It was painful for me that my friends couldn't marry.

I never thought when I married that there would be major changes since we lived together for years, but surprisingly it really did deepen our commitment. And to deny that to people just makes me sick. Anyway, I'm in California fighting hard against Prop. 8 but enjoying all the weddings along the way.

[latinolatteliberal]

19. absolutely! n/t

[RoadRage]

13. Did she actually say she agrees to RIGHTS?

I saw her tap-dance around this one.. say she DOESN'T agree with Gay Marriage. And then say.. should they be able to visit their loved one in a hospital, sure! Umm.. they can already VISIT their loved ones in the damn hospital.. they can't make DECISIONS for their partners while incapacitated.

Did I hear it wrong.. or did she leave plenty of wiggle room?

Either way - She's going to put the most conservative judges on the bench if allowed.. and they will make sure that there is no wiggle room - so it really doesn't matter.

[Kind of Blue]

18. I think she tried to leave wiggle room but Biden listed the exact

rights and then Palin responded, agreeing to the rights but not to marriage during the tap dance. And then Ifill summed it up. At that point, Palin not being shy, could have interjected but didn't. And that's what surprised me because it was a definite gotcha moment.

[Quantess]

21. No she just paid lip service to not being judgmental.

She did not say that same sex couples should get any new rights. She may have expressed she doesn't intend to take away any gay rights, but she did not say she supported giving additional rights to same sex couples.

I could be wrong, but all I heard was a really evasive answer about not condemning anyone for their lifestyle choices.

[Kind of Blue]

23. Yeah, that's why I'm seeking clarity.

Because after Biden listed the rights she was like, sure but disagreed with marriage. I'm going to really stop trying to understand that woman.